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Posted By: Anonymous 40 GB!?! - 02/07/22 12:56 PM
I sincerely hope that's game content that we can't see, like new areas, and not bloat due to engine inefficiency.

I will probably not download this for a bit until some of the dust clears.


They are definitely busy!...perhaps they need to rotate the B team in for a week, and take some downtime and come in fresh.
Posted By: Tuco Re: 40 GB!?! - 02/07/22 01:02 PM
Most of these 40 GB are going to replace previously existing data occupying the same 40 GB.
It's not like the game grew considerably in size.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: 40 GB!?! - 02/07/22 01:03 PM
Originally Posted by Tuco
Most of these 40 GB are going to replace previously existing data occupying the same 40 GB.
It's not like the game grew considerably in size.

Ok, so not The Monster that ate NY.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: 40 GB!?! - 02/07/22 01:12 PM
Well the vibe of this update so far is bug fixing.

...and is it just me, or does that cow look nervous? Like pondering what Red Devils eat?

Posted By: Xzoviac Re: 40 GB!?! - 02/07/22 01:26 PM
Originally Posted by Tuco
Most of these 40 GB are going to replace previously existing data occupying the same 40 GB.
It's not like the game grew considerably in size.
I was under the impression the files will be around 110gb now complete
Posted By: Tuco Re: 40 GB!?! - 02/07/22 01:46 PM
Originally Posted by Xzoviac
Originally Posted by Tuco
Most of these 40 GB are going to replace previously existing data occupying the same 40 GB.
It's not like the game grew considerably in size.
I was under the impression the files will be around 110gb now complete
They confirmed that the size of the entire game post patch will be 104 GB.

Given that the CURRENT size of the game is 100 GB, it means that most of these 40 GB are replacing existing data rather than adding on top of it. Like I said.
Posted By: RagnarokCzD Re: 40 GB!?! - 02/07/22 02:15 PM
Originally Posted by Xzoviac
I was under the impression the files will be around 110gb now complete
Thats what we were told here:
(104GB tho)

https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=818221#Post818221

For context curently this game takes 100,2GB on by pc ... so 4GB of some new data? O_o
Doesnt sound like much to me.
Posted By: stevelin7 Re: 40 GB!?! - 02/07/22 02:37 PM
Originally Posted by Tuco
Originally Posted by Xzoviac
Originally Posted by Tuco
Most of these 40 GB are going to replace previously existing data occupying the same 40 GB.
It's not like the game grew considerably in size.
I was under the impression the files will be around 110gb now complete
They confirmed that the size of the entire game post patch will be 104 GB.

Given that the CURRENT size of the game is 100 GB, it means that most of these 40 GB are replacing existing data rather than adding on top of it. Like I said.

I heard game designers will remove patch1~5 data, is that a big hard disk space? how many GB will be emptied out?
Posted By: Xzoviac Re: 40 GB!?! - 02/07/22 02:47 PM
Originally Posted by Tuco
Originally Posted by Xzoviac
Originally Posted by Tuco
Most of these 40 GB are going to replace previously existing data occupying the same 40 GB.
It's not like the game grew considerably in size.
I was under the impression the files will be around 110gb now complete
They confirmed that the size of the entire game post patch will be 104 GB.

Given that the CURRENT size of the game is 100 GB, it means that most of these 40 GB are replacing existing data rather than adding on top of it. Like I said.

Ahh right i didnt actually check how much space the files where currently taking, so 40gig of changes but file size is increased by just 4? Like 1 bards worth k
Of increase
Posted By: RagnarokCzD Re: 40 GB!?! - 02/07/22 02:52 PM
Originally Posted by stevelin7
I heard game designers will remove patch1~5 data, is that a big hard disk space? how many GB will be emptied out?
I thought they are only removing option to downgrade your game to those patches ...

Wich would mean nothing will be emptied from your PC.
Posted By: stevelin7 Re: 40 GB!?! - 02/07/22 02:58 PM
Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Originally Posted by stevelin7
I heard game designers will remove patch1~5 data, is that a big hard disk space? how many GB will be emptied out?
I thought they are only removing option to downgrade your game to those patches ...

Wich would mean nothing will be emptied from your PC.

I see, thank you.
Posted By: etonbears Re: 40 GB!?! - 02/07/22 10:58 PM
It is likely the 40GB download will uncompress to 104GB when installed, completely replacing the existing data. But it is not possible to know exactly how size on disk relates to content, as Larian may have modified how efficiently they store data for patch 8, in order to keep the size consistent.

They certainly have to move to a more efficient storage scheme before adding 2+ more acts at full release, or everyone will need to buy another SSD just to install BG3 smile
Posted By: Rhobar121 Re: 40 GB!?! - 02/07/22 11:41 PM
Originally Posted by etonbears
It is likely the 40GB download will uncompress to 104GB when installed, completely replacing the existing data. But it is not possible to know exactly how size on disk relates to content, as Larian may have modified how efficiently they store data for patch 8, in order to keep the size consistent.

They certainly have to move to a more efficient storage scheme before adding 2+ more acts at full release, or everyone will need to buy another SSD just to install BG3 smile

Rather, it will not have more than 200gb, although I recommend reinstalling the game, it should reduce the size a bit.
Posted By: stevelin7 Re: 40 GB!?! - 03/07/22 01:04 AM
Originally Posted by etonbears
It is likely the 40GB download will uncompress to 104GB when installed, completely replacing the existing data. But it is not possible to know exactly how size on disk relates to content, as Larian may have modified how efficiently they store data for patch 8, in order to keep the size consistent.

They certainly have to move to a more efficient storage scheme before adding 2+ more acts at full release, or everyone will need to buy another SSD just to install BG3 smile

yes, you are right. the news topic from gamespot is a misleading and wrong!

I read carfeul the team blog post again that is "install size 104GB(unzip)", and 40GB is just for download with zip.

so is that possible toward moonraise towers this time before arriving baldur's gate?
Posted By: stevelin7 Re: 40 GB!?! - 03/07/22 06:00 AM
Originally Posted by Rhobar121
Originally Posted by etonbears
It is likely the 40GB download will uncompress to 104GB when installed, completely replacing the existing data. But it is not possible to know exactly how size on disk relates to content, as Larian may have modified how efficiently they store data for patch 8, in order to keep the size consistent.

They certainly have to move to a more efficient storage scheme before adding 2+ more acts at full release, or everyone will need to buy another SSD just to install BG3 smile

Rather, it will not have more than 200gb, although I recommend reinstalling the game, it should reduce the size a bit.

I have a look my D drive disk space, and it is 237GB.

I think BG3 ought to be in 200GB, the installation will merge, update and add data into the game, but the animation video should still take many hard disk space when act 2 and act 3 add in to the game.

maybe I should prepare to buy a new hard disk when BG3 is released? laugh
Posted By: RagnarokCzD Re: 40 GB!?! - 03/07/22 07:48 AM
Originally Posted by stevelin7
so is that possible toward moonraise towers this time before arriving baldur's gate?
Nah ... or at least not likely.

As stated abowe:
Patch 8 game will have 104GB ... but curently the game have 100,2GB (at least on my PC) ...
Meaning cca 36GB of the Patch will be just replacing old asets ... and the rest 4GB will be new things ...
Also keep in mind that some asets (cinematics, models, sounds,...) can be quite big compared to others. smile

If i would have to bet for new content ... i would say we might get acess to that crypt behind grymforge, that is quite small area, but its some new content and its kinda hinted by those statues on PFH post on twitter and Larian homepage. smile
But besides that? Few spells, some new armor, and i would not expect much more ... at worse, you can be pleasantly surprised. laugh
Posted By: mr_planescapist Re: 40 GB!?! - 03/07/22 09:37 AM
My opinion on this...
40gb is nothing for what they should offer. BG3 hitting 100gig+ mark is normal...maybe on the low side for a Baldur's Gate game.

Think about it, BG2 in 2000 WITH NEARLY NO CINEMATICS, NO 3d Environments had 2.5 gigs of content. My currently MODDED game of bg2 is nearly 20gigs!!! (over 80 mods...) Taking into account <memory inflation> BG2 nowdays would be a 500gig game lol.
Posted By: stevelin7 Re: 40 GB!?! - 03/07/22 10:12 AM
Originally Posted by mr_planescapist
My opinion on this...
40gb is nothing for what they should offer. BG3 hitting 100gig+ mark is normal...maybe on the low side for a Baldur's Gate game.

Think about it, BG2 in 2000 WITH NEARLY NO CINEMATICS, NO 3d Environments had 2.5 gigs of content. My currently MODDED game of bg2 is nearly 20gigs!!! (over 80 mods...) Taking into account <memory inflation> BG2 nowdays would be a 500gig game lol.

oh, I will need a 1000GB hard disk.
Posted By: stevelin7 Re: 40 GB!?! - 03/07/22 10:25 AM
m... but the grand PFH and the final patch, just for meeting the class bard??

I even heard we will meet a new companion in the new patch wink

maybe the team will show their effort in the hard disk space saving?
we shall have an expectation.
Posted By: RagnarokCzD Re: 40 GB!?! - 03/07/22 10:34 AM
Originally Posted by stevelin7
I even heard we will meet a new companion in the new patch wink
That would be appreciated ...
But sounds like wild guess at best. frown

I would either wish for companion for each class ... or finaly allow us to create custom party.
Im really geting sick of the same old party over and over. frown

I mean, im aware it is possible through multiplayer "cheat"(?), but that i anoying and the feature was promised to full release so ... why wait? O_o

That and rolled stats. Same reasoning.

Originally Posted by stevelin7
maybe the team will show their effort in the hard disk space saving?
we shall have an expectation.
Well, maybe i remember incorectly, but as far as i know the game was since the beginning advertised as 100+GB ...

Quite honestly i cant even imagine how can anyone play on some smaller disk ... i had 1TB and it barely kept all i want. laugh
So i had to upgrade to 4TB ... and its filling fast aswell. laugh
Posted By: stevelin7 Re: 40 GB!?! - 03/07/22 11:04 AM
Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Quite honestly i cant even imagine how can anyone play on some smaller disk ... i had 1TB and it barely kept all i want. laugh
So i had to upgrade to 4TB ... and its filling fast aswell. laugh

4TB is a good choice for cost-effective wink
Posted By: PixieStix2 Re: 40 GB!?! - 03/07/22 12:00 PM
Originally Posted by Van'tal
I will probably not download this for a bit until some of the dust clears.

https://www.newegg.com/blue-wd20ezbx-2tb/p/N82E16822234469
Buy this. Enough gaming space for years.
Posted By: Tuco Re: 40 GB!?! - 03/07/22 01:57 PM
That's a paltry 2TB. Not exactly life changing.
I currently have 4 TB of SSD (summing up three different drives) and 4TB of HDD and I'm still constantly downloading and deleting stuff.

Also, that's a mechanical HD too (and not eve one of the fastest available), which is dangerously close to complete obsolescence with any modern game, but especially a poor fit to play BG3.
If you are one of th4ese guys who love to complain that "cinematic dialogues have long loading times" (when they should be basically instantaneous) or that "the game takes a long time to load", that type of HD is probably the main culprit.

P.S. A slow outdated CPU or a low amount of RAM are probably immediately behind, but still not as impactful as the type of hard drive used.
Posted By: stevelin7 Re: 40 GB!?! - 03/07/22 02:04 PM
m... I can not believe it, I need a 4TB hard disk, and nowadays my hard disk is just 512GB.
Posted By: etonbears Re: 40 GB!?! - 03/07/22 08:00 PM
Unfortunately, yes, games are bloating, which either means you need a lot of storage to keep all your games, or a high-bandwidth internet connection to re-download deleted games.

HDD drives are so slow that they are best considered as offline storage ( i.e. copy games you are not likely to play soon to those disks to free up space in SSDs for games you currently play ). Fortunately, SSDs continue to drop in price, and SATA SSDs are generally still good enough for your current games storage; you don't yet need to pay the 100% markup for PCIe SSDs.

When Intel, AMD and NVidia get around to their next batch of hardware releases, later this year, I'll probably build a new PC ( I haven't bothered with a new CPU/motherboard for 10 years without really having problems ) so long as I can find an option that doesn't turn my house into an oven smile

I currently have 4TB Offline HDD storage, and 2.5TB of SATA SSDs for "current" data, although that is almost full. I expect I will stick with SATA SSDs for games and other data storage, simply because they are cost efficient, and easily fast enough for now.
Posted By: Ragitsu Re: 40 GB!?! - 03/07/22 08:16 PM
Compare the storage requirements of this game and its many gigabytes to the essentials of D&D plus campaign-specific information.

Three PDFS (i.e., the PHB, DMG and MM) total less than fifty megabytes in size. A text document with campaign notes probably won't exceed a megabyte or two. Throw in high quality maps and you're still well with one-hundred megabytes all-in-all.

Ultimately, human imagination truly possesses the best data compression smile.
Posted By: etonbears Re: 40 GB!?! - 03/07/22 08:51 PM
True, but with enough human imagination, you don't even need the rule books; thats how role-playing started smile
Posted By: PixieStix2 Re: 40 GB!?! - 04/07/22 10:52 AM
Originally Posted by Tuco
That's a paltry 2TB. Not exactly life changing.
I currently have 4 TB of SSD (summing up three different drives) and 4TB of HDD and I'm still constantly downloading and deleting stuff.

Also, that's a mechanical HD too (and not eve one of the fastest available), which is dangerously close to complete obsolescence with any modern game, but especially a poor fit to play BG3.
If you are one of th4ese guys who love to complain that "cinematic dialogues have long loading times" (when they should be basically instantaneous) or that "the game takes a long time to load", that type of HD is probably the main culprit.

P.S. A slow outdated CPU or a low amount of RAM are probably immediately behind, but still not as impactful as the type of hard drive used.
I specifically looked for something cheap and outdated that still had terabytes of space to show that you could buy a hard drive that could easily fit this game and more for a small amount of money and you don't have to be a tech genius to do it. Finding that literally took all but 10 minutes of searching and that was only because the site had changed its layout and it took a few extra minutes for me to adjust to it.
Posted By: Tuco Re: 40 GB!?! - 04/07/22 11:50 AM
Originally Posted by PixieStix2
I specifically looked for something cheap and outdated that still had terabytes of space to show that you could buy a hard drive that could easily fit this game and more for a small amount of money and you don't have to be a tech genius to do it. Finding that literally took all but 10 minutes of searching and that was only because the site had changed its layout and it took a few extra minutes for me to adjust to it.
Well, ok?

It doesn't really change my points.
- No one will be "set for years" with 2 TB as you claimed, unless they play a game every solar eclipse.
- a mechanical hard disk is factually inadequate for a good experience with BG3.

I wasn't really trying to debate your expertise nor the amount of research you did.
Posted By: stevelin7 Re: 40 GB!?! - 04/07/22 02:12 PM
Originally Posted by Tuco
Originally Posted by PixieStix2
I specifically looked for something cheap and outdated that still had terabytes of space to show that you could buy a hard drive that could easily fit this game and more for a small amount of money and you don't have to be a tech genius to do it. Finding that literally took all but 10 minutes of searching and that was only because the site had changed its layout and it took a few extra minutes for me to adjust to it.
Well, ok?

It doesn't really change my points.
- No one will be "set for years" with 2 TB as you claimed, unless they play a game every solar eclipse.
- a mechanical hard disk is factually inadequate for a good experience with BG3.

I wasn't really trying to debate your expertise nor the amount of research you did.

maybe we can expect that BG3 + mods will bigger than 2TGB laugh
Posted By: The Composer Re: 40 GB!?! - 04/07/22 04:56 PM
Most files related to modding are typically class/race/customization related by popularity, and involves basically editing text files. 90% of unoptimized mods are basically metadata rather than the mod itself, so filling up 2TB would be a massive feat :P
Posted By: Sozz Re: 40 GB!?! - 04/07/22 06:01 PM
... ... ...Please insert disc 1,007 before continuing... ... ...
Posted By: Ragitsu Re: 40 GB!?! - 04/07/22 07:45 PM
Originally Posted by Sozz
... ... ...Please insert disc 1,007 before continuing... ... ...

I miss those multi-disc days.
Posted By: Tuco Re: 40 GB!?! - 04/07/22 07:46 PM
Originally Posted by Ragitsu
Originally Posted by Sozz
... ... ...Please insert disc 1,007 before continuing... ... ...

I miss those multi-disc days.

I was there and I really, REALLY don't.
Posted By: etonbears Re: 40 GB!?! - 04/07/22 08:01 PM
Originally Posted by The Composer
Most files related to modding are typically class/race/customization related by popularity, and involves basically editing text files. 90% of unoptimized mods are basically metadata rather than the mod itself, so filling up 2TB would be a massive feat :P

Just wait until some of the serious content creators decide it would be great to create the 3D assets for their own favourite city or region of faerun smile When I mapped out Waterdeep in the NWN2 toolset, the basic areas came to 300GB+, even without adding much exterior content, building interiors, nor any of Skullport or Undermountain...
Posted By: RagnarokCzD Re: 40 GB!?! - 04/07/22 08:36 PM
Originally Posted by Tuco
I was there and I really, REALLY don't.
Agreed ...

Sometimes installing from 5CDs seems like horrible task in retrospective ...
I will gladly pretend that floppy disks never happened. :3
Posted By: Ruswarr Re: 40 GB!?! - 04/07/22 09:14 PM
I kinda feel that there was a certain charm to changing disks when game asked you to. Kinda like a milestone lol.
But charm or not - yeah, I would rather not go back there. Especially remembering stuff like Starforce. I had a decent collection of CDs and DVD that I got rid of recently - there was just no point because most of these were not working well anyway and they took a lot of space.
Posted By: Ragitsu Re: 40 GB!?! - 04/07/22 09:26 PM
Originally Posted by Tuco
Originally Posted by Ragitsu
Originally Posted by Sozz
... ... ...Please insert disc 1,007 before continuing... ... ...

I miss those multi-disc days.

I was there and I really, REALLY don't.

There was a subtle sense of wonder in that games were so very large/expansive that you had to use multiple compact discs (or even digital-video discs) to explore those faraway worlds. Also, around that time, the game manuals were quite impressive.

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Posted By: Sozz Re: 40 GB!?! - 05/07/22 12:17 AM
You know I think I read the manual to StarCraft more than I actually played the game.
Posted By: Moriaena Re: 40 GB!?! - 08/07/22 07:45 PM
Ugh I hated multidisk installs. Especially when you/your brother is too lazy to put away one you just used, the dog scares the cat, who jumps onto the desk and scrapes disk 4 of Baldur's Gate. Impossible to use now.... Ruined a 6 disk set.

Then there's the crazy idea of putting the disk back in the case it belongs to. My brothers never did this, so opening BG has a Sim City disk. Sim City has a Sesame Street disk, Sesame Street has an AOL install.... I spent more time putting disks back in their dang sleeves/cases than actually installing games.

Do not miss the days of sharing disks and computers. Not one bit.
Posted By: Tuco Re: 40 GB!?! - 08/07/22 07:49 PM
On a marginally relate note... I suspected this for a while when we got these big patches, but yesterday I put it to a test and I got conclusive evidence that deleting and downloading the entire game was significantly faster than downloading the patch and going through that slow-ass decryption/decompression process.
Posted By: Ragitsu Re: 40 GB!?! - 08/07/22 08:32 PM
Originally Posted by Moriaena
Ugh I hated multidisk installs. Especially when you/your brother is too lazy to put away one you just used, the dog scares the cat, who jumps onto the desk and scrapes disk 4 of Baldur's Gate. Impossible to use now.... Ruined a 6 disk set.

Solution: don't own beasts. Life becomes considerably easier (not to mention cleaner!).

Originally Posted by Moriaena
Then there's the crazy idea of putting the disk back in the case it belongs to. My brothers never did this, so opening BG has a Sim City disk. Sim City has a Sesame Street disk, Sesame Street has an AOL install.... I spent more time putting disks back in their dang sleeves/cases than actually installing games.

I agree that people who are unable or unwilling to exercise a modicum of attentiveness can easily result in scratched discs.
Posted By: Moriaena Re: 40 GB!?! - 09/07/22 01:41 PM
Originally Posted by Ragitsu
Solution: don't own beasts. Life becomes considerably easier (not to mention cleaner!).

Not owning dogs has been considerably useful. My cats generally understand the desk is not for them.

Originally Posted by Ragitsu
I agree that people who are unable or unwilling to exercise a modicum of attentiveness can easily result in scratched discs.

Not having trolls (brothers) in the house means I am so much more careful with my stuff!!! Things are a lot less likely to get misplaced/broken.

I do miss having physical media to install games. Makes it easier to have single player games not tied to the internet, since things happen like power outages. Or the river floods and you lose internet for a week because the utility pole crashed the bridge.

But I do not miss having multiple disks to *play* the games. And the era of CDs meant games had the rare patch after the fact. You knew the game was more or less complete. I'm fine when I purposely decide to be part of early access, like with DOS1, DOS2, & BG3, but I would much rather see games held together with more than duct tape and prayers on release.
Posted By: Ragitsu Re: 40 GB!?! - 09/07/22 04:52 PM
Don't misunderstand: I'm not calling for a return to the old days. I was merely filtering out the best aspects from the past (such as the aforementioned sense of wonder). Also, you're right about the fact that computer games tended to be finished when it was more difficult to obtain a patch; modern video game developers definitely exploit the present ease with which one can patch/update their products.
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