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Character Level

Posted By: salobard42

Character Level - 06/08/19 04:33 AM

I wonder if they will allow you to get to level 20? I guess it will depend on how much content and game play hours.
Posted By: LostSoul

Re: Character Level - 06/08/19 06:30 AM

I was wondering the same thing.
But if we Can get to level 20 I want to enjoy the build before the game just ends.
Therefore it would be great to have a good amount of content available for max level characters (not just 1 boss fight).
Another option would be once the main story is finished you can still do some basic quests/ random dungeon encounters.
Posted By: salobard42

Re: Character Level - 06/08/19 06:44 AM

I would imagine if it does well (and it will lol) they would do an expansion
Posted By: _Vic_

Re: Character Level - 09/08/19 08:06 PM

Maybe you will have your wish granted
SV: “That’s actually been one of the things that we’ve been struggling with, because it’s a very slow leveling process in the books,” he says. As D&D players will know, gaining ten or 12 levels on the tabletop is a journey that could last weeks, but for a videogame, it’s “not a lot.”

Nevertheless, Larian is making a D&D game. Therefore: “We wanted to stick to it. So we’re figuring out ways of letting you still feel that you’re progressing in a meaningful manner, but in a videogame manner.”

https://www.pcgamesn.com/baldurs-gate-3/leveling-system
Posted By: CottonWolf

Re: Character Level - 10/08/19 06:03 PM

It's difficult to know what that means thought. It could be regular power ups between true levels, or it could just mean they're making you level up faster. BG1 didn't let you get past... level 8? I seem to remember, it was 8.
Posted By: Danielbda

Re: Character Level - 10/08/19 07:39 PM

Its likely that you will be able to get to level 20. BG1 and BG2 are based on AD&D, and BG3 will be based on 5e which has a faster levelling system.
Posted By: Artagel

Re: Character Level - 10/08/19 10:58 PM

I'm guessing if they've all played the BG games as was reported, then they played Throne of Bhaal in which your characters get to pretty high freakin levels.

Specifically thinking about the HLA's and some of the crazy spells/abilities characters get past a certain threshold.

What makes me optimistic is the stated hours for game length. If they had said 40-50 hours like most RPG's, I'd worry. 100+ hours is a good start.
Posted By: Hawke

Re: Character Level - 11/08/19 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by Artagel
I'm guessing if they've all played the BG games as was reported, then they played Throne of Bhaal in which your characters get to pretty high freakin levels.

Specifically thinking about the HLA's and some of the crazy spells/abilities characters get past a certain threshold.

What makes me optimistic is the stated hours for game length. If they had said 40-50 hours like most RPG's, I'd worry. 100+ hours is a good start.


Where did you read that https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/06/06/why-baldurs-gate-3-wont-be-a-google-stadia-exclusive
Swen says it will have 100h content,
Posted By: Artagel

Re: Character Level - 11/08/19 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Hawke

Yea. That's literally where I read that.
Posted By: Omegaphallic

Re: Character Level - 15/08/19 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by Artagel
Originally Posted by Hawke

Yea. That's literally where I read that.


It's rough estimate they also estimated 100h for DOS2 I think, but other people find it takes them much longer.
Posted By: _Vic_

Re: Character Level - 15/08/19 01:29 AM

I think I spent 100 hours only in character creation laugh
Posted By: Hawke

Re: Character Level - 15/08/19 01:44 AM

No idea why people play so slowly 100h is enough to play through DOS 2 nearly twice while doing all sidequests. Took me only 75h in the first run. I just hope the BG3 won't waste my time with grinding, boring fetch quests or other cheap boring filler content like other RPGs.
Posted By: _Vic_

Re: Character Level - 15/08/19 02:27 AM

Because people stop to talk to the NPCs and read the books?
Posted By: vometia

Re: Character Level - 15/08/19 04:16 AM

I prefer to immerse myself in the general vibe of the game rather than just racing through it. Sometimes I prefer uneventful treks through the countryside to fast-travelling as it may not be full of thrills but it's sort of meditative and paces the game a bit better.
Posted By: Nobody_Special

Re: Character Level - 15/08/19 05:15 AM

Cause the RPG stands for "Role Playing Game" not "Race Playing Game" also people like to explore and see what secrets may be found.
horsey
Posted By: Try2Handing

Re: Character Level - 15/08/19 10:55 AM

There are other factors too. Different players need different amounts of time to get through challenges, combat and puzzles alike. And then in my case, if I get through a fight but I don't feel good about it, I would redo it, over and over if necessary, until I "feel good" about it. What could I have done better? What would have happened if I had tried this instead of that? This method is not very cool. That approach feels kinda like cheating. I have to kill this boss in a very specific manner, because I want to; if I fail, I reload. And so on. Unlike a friend of mine, he always says, "As long as I get through it, I don't care."
Posted By: mhroczyn

Re: Character Level - 07/09/19 07:56 PM

I want epic levels! I want to kill gods and become a god! Well maybe in expansion sth like in NWN2: MotB...
Posted By: Hawke

Re: Character Level - 07/09/19 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by mhroczyn
I want epic levels! I want to kill the gods and become a god! Well maybe in expansion sth like in NWN2: MotB...


I hate that part about RPGs especially in DND, I prefer grounded stories where the player is just a guy trying to survive in a dangerous world. I really hope that you are not some chosen one in BG3 but just a skilled adventurer or a guy who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time like in Divinity 2, where you only become a Dragon because you were simply the first guy the Talana found.(Divinity 2 still has the best story in the franchise!)
Posted By: vometia

Re: Character Level - 08/09/19 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by Hawke
I hate that part about RPGs especially in DND, I prefer grounded stories where the player is just a guy trying to survive in a dangerous world. I really hope that you are not some chosen one in BG3 but just a skilled adventurer or a guy who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time like in Divinity 2, where you only become a Dragon because you were simply the first guy the Talana found.(Divinity 2 has the best story in the franchise!)

Same (well, on both points, ED/D2 is still my favourite of the series). I'm never really a fan of the whole chosen one, godlike sort of character, I'd rather just be me, bumbling about and discovering things. The more awesome my character becomes the less connected I feel to them, and once you end up with a TES-style head of every guild thrown in too it just makes the world feel a much smaller place.
Posted By: BillyYank

Re: Character Level - 08/09/19 05:10 PM

I hope BG3 is more like BG1. Start at level 1, go to about level 10 and leave the higher levels for BG4.
Posted By: _Vic_

Re: Character Level - 08/09/19 05:26 PM

Albeit I agree with the idea of a low-level campaign, I do not think 10 LVL is the adequate limit. I found TOEE and the 10-lvl limit very restrictive. It was better with the "unlimited level" mod. It was tolerable in BG because you already have bg2 to keep playing. Not much higher than lvl 10-15, and that would be the endgame though.

Remember Ulraunt? The leader of Candlekeep? I think he was just a 7th level Mage. :P Lord Nasher Alagondar, the ruler of Neverwinter, is just a 12th level Fighter. In Murder in B; Abdel Adrian (the supposed baalspawn hero of BG) is a lvl 10 fighter.
Even a 3rd level adventurer would already be considered a seasoned veteran, worthy of high pay in a mercenary unit. The leaders of such bands are usually about 5th level, hardened veterans of many campaigns. The Grand Druid, the "ruler" of all the druids in the WORLD, is 14th level (although hierophant druids exist, they typically devote themselves to more global concerns and do not bother with the workings of politics).

As a general rule, any adventurer that's higher than 10th level is already a figure of renown, a household name. Anyone higher than 15th level is a figure of legend, somebody whose deeds bards will sing of for centuries, and anybody 20th level or higher is basically so powerful they start to consort with deities and planar figures on a personal basis.

Most D&Dvideogames rush you through the first levels (In D&D lvl 1-3 characters are very fragile), like in a starter set prior to a campaign, but I hope that is not the case in BG3.
Posted By: Try2Handing

Re: Character Level - 08/09/19 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by _Vic_

As a general rule, any adventurer that's higher than 10th level is already a figure of renown, a household name. Anyone higher than 15th level is a figure of legend, somebody whose deeds bards will sing of for centuries, and anybody 20th level or higher is basically so powerful they start to consort with deities and planar figures on a personal basis.

Really? That's interesting. In my assassin playthrough of BG2, at the end of ToB my rogue was L41 and other single-class party members were all around L30. lulz.

But then in ToB you do talk to Solars and fight top-rank demons every few hours. You run into a squad of balors and you'd be like so what should we have for dinner.

This sounds like one of those "rules" that are better off mostly ignored. I mean, as long as it's exciting and the balancing is alright, who cares. Well, I guess the hardcore PnP folk care.
Posted By: Omegaphallic

Re: Character Level - 09/09/19 01:00 AM

At 100 hours I'd be shocked if you can't get to level 20 and then start collecting epic boons.
Posted By: Omegaphallic

Re: Character Level - 09/09/19 01:00 AM

At 100 hours I'd be shocked if you can't get to level 20 and then start collecting epic boons.
Posted By: _Vic_

Re: Character Level - 09/09/19 03:02 AM

ED: The limit of XP in the unmodded game series is:

Baldur's Gate with TOSC 161,000 (Roughly level 8-10, the classes in 2e have different XP requirements to level up, even more, the multiclass have half of it )

Baldur's Gate: Siege of Dragonspear 500,000 (level 10-12 in pure classes, half in multiclass)

Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn 2,950,000 (level 17-19, but you start with a level 7-12 character)

Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal 8,000,000 (The top is level 40 for single-class rogues, monks, clerics, and fighters. It is impossible for other slow-leveling classes or multiclass/dual class.
Even more, you do not reach that level in the OC without using some insane grinding and/or mods)

https://baldursgate.fandom.com/wiki/Experience_Tables


In nwn2 OC the maximum level is 20, and if you reach it is because the final battles give a lot of XP. You level up two-four times in the last chapter.
In ToEE the level cap is 10, but I think it is too restrictive, and ToEE is a very short game anyway. Knighs of the Chalice and Pool of radiance takes you from level 1 to 19-20 tops. IWD series has no limits but also no epic skills in IWD2 and you can reach it only in HOF, NG+
In P:K you have a limit of LVL 20 too, but in that game, it is a really steep curve from level 12 and beyond. I usually beat the game with a party of level 16-17 tops. You do not reach level 20 without the DLC and usually only solo chars in the final chapter.

I do not think you will reach epic levels until an expansion or the next game in the series, they usually do that.
Posted By: Try2Handing

Re: Character Level - 09/09/19 04:56 AM

Oh, right, the level caps. I forgot. Aside from the fact that it's been a very long time, removing level caps from BG1-2 is pretty much a must for anyone who plays the games with any seriousness.
Posted By: _Vic_

Re: Character Level - 09/09/19 05:16 AM

That would be right if the enemies level up with you, in BG series if your characters are too overleveled artificially the game became one-sided. I even use xp-dampeners so I could play all those story and character mods of the trilogy without hampering my game experience.

That said, I am not really a fan of high-level, high-magic, high-loot campaigns, but it is simply my personal preference. It is ok for expansions or DLC that continue the story of the same characters.
Posted By: Vecna

Re: Character Level - 09/09/19 05:46 PM

I would like to see the possibility of reaching levels above level 20. If that would mean through an expansion than that would be the way.
They could perhaps chose to level up the character faster through level 1 - 6.
Posted By: Nobody_Special

Re: Character Level - 09/09/19 07:10 PM

WotC hasn't released any Leveling system to go beyond level 20 yet. Maybe in the future for an expansion. But as it stands now, the official rules only go up to level 20.
Posted By: Hawke

Re: Character Level - 09/09/19 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Nobody_Special
WotC hasn't released any Leveling system to go beyond level 20 yet. Maybe in the future for an expansion. But as it stands now, the official rules only go up to level 20.


So BG3 can't have epic levels, yay! birthdayjump
Posted By: Omegaphallic

Re: Character Level - 10/09/19 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Hawke
Originally Posted by Nobody_Special
WotC hasn't released any Leveling system to go beyond level 20 yet. Maybe in the future for an expansion. But as it stands now, the official rules only go up to level 20.


So BG3 can't have epic levels, yay! birthdayjump


You still get epic boons when you would have otherwise leveled up and you still gain gold and downtime days.
Posted By: Nobody_Special

Re: Character Level - 11/09/19 12:24 AM

But I was answering the question that person wanted to reach levels beyond level 20. Which you can't as it is now.
Posted By: Vecna

Re: Character Level - 11/09/19 07:52 AM

Perhaps they could implement bonus spells and feats above level 20 and diverge from the official 5th edition rules. I really enjoyed the high level spells in BG2.
Not that it is the most important, it just gave some extra flavour and leveling up above level 20 gives you more room for extra story content.
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