I was wondering if any Bioware Baldur's gate employee had disclosed reactions to BG3 being made by Larian rather by them.

Everyone is happy BG3 is not in Bioware's hands, maybe they are too

I asked for THEIR reactions, not yours.

I can read... This was a joke, don't be so serious

I let you wait...

Joking or not. I sure am. After they massively ruined mass effect with Andromeda I don't trust Bioware with an RPG at all.

By far I rather take a new Divinity OS in the mantle of BG, then a new Dragon Age Inquisition

IMHO Andromeda wasn't nearly as bad as ME3; it lacked polish as EA/Bioware had clearly abandoned it early on but it was okay. I never really got all the hate.

What's exactly wrong about Inquisition, I liked it! Not as much as DAO but much more than DA2

Dunno. All three had their own strengths; guilty as charged with criticising DA2, and while it has its flaws, I'd allowed them to eclipse what was otherwise a really pretty good game. I replayed it not so long ago and found it far better than I'd conditioned myself into remembering. As for Inquisition and what was wrong with it; you mean other than Solas?

ME3 kinda needed the add on. After that it was very good and really closed that chapter superbly. I mean the whole saga was truly epic. Sure ME2 was the crowning glory, but still.

Andromeda? All kinds of utter dross. Main characters were sooooo dull. errible missions, urgh,... no I persisted for quite a while with it, but I am not sure I could bring myself to go back and re-install it and try and complete it. ME2 I would replay in a heartbeat.

The issue I have with so many of these newer titles, is the reliance on rinse repeat quests or mini quests just in different locations. Utter tripe.

There is a reason why Witcher 3 is considered THE RPG of the last decade.

Me LIKE solas.

So do a couple of my friends who are very fangirly about him! One even has a tattoo; I can't comment either way as I have one of Sera who is at least as divisive for much the same reason Solas grated on me: in Sera's case, I think similarly and have the same vulgar humour but I could never figure Solas out, but plenty of people are the other way round. And more still think they're both a pain in the arse.

>Andromeda better than 3
not a big mass effect fan but was the ending realy that bad?
3 seemed like a much more competent game than andromeda

IMHO it really was that bad. It's hard to describe just how bad without sounding like I'm descending into hyperbole.

Trouble with Andromeda is largely the lack of polish, I think; that thing with them seemingly giving up on it before it'd even been released. I've assumed their rationale may have been that whatever came after ME3 was probably going to be panned, though it may simply be that they'd already distracted themselves with The Great White Elephant by that point.

Given that there was so little input from the senior people in terms of storytelling and design, I think what was regarded very much as "the B team" came up with a better game than would've been expected. Which is perhaps damning it with faint praise, but the fault was really down to EA/Bioware's leadership or lack thereof.

Perhaps I got on with it okay as I always preferred the original Mass Effect and Andromeda was closest to it.

I suppose I'm whimsically making a mental analogy to the Alien series: ME is like Alien which is that it's new, mysterious and a bit scary; ME2 is like Aliens, which is much more shouty and gung-ho, it's fun but a bit crass; ME3 is like Alien 3/4 where nobody really knows what it's about, least of all the people responsible for writing it, and is ultimately a bit wonky and unsatisfying; and Andromeda is like Prometheus where opinions are very divided amongst those who enjoyed it for what it is and found hidden depths to it and those who thought it was just a bit cheap and missed the point.

DA:I was a good game. ( Dont know for ME 3 and andromeda, i'm not too much on Sci-fi... so never played this saga )
I really love the writing, especially the interactions between characters.

It get bashed anyway.

But it's how things goes now...
Big sagas have to deal with toxic fans ( ask Bethesda about Fallout and TES and some friends say to me it's worse with Star Wars... ) , and it's the same everywhere, and with movies and books too.

You know, this adage who spread into the whole internet : "things were better before".
But, often ( not always ) it's not based on any real feedback. Just toxic nostalgia who lead people to reject everything new and evolution. It's a "standard" reaction now.

They act with their beloved IP like some jealous and capricious boyfriends. The game must be made "for them, just for them"...sad.

Actually, there's just CD Projekt Red ( And Larian but BEFORE BG 3 ) who are spared.


For the Bioware react on this...well...
There probably not many Bioware employees who worked already for them at BG 1 and 2 period actually. It's been 20 years... many some seniors but...it's not really like the IP 's their propriety like DA or ME.

Not sure they care too much. That said... i hope they will come back with a good DA4, i fear for them since the Anthem debacle.

My problem with Andromeda was all of the social issues of the day they tried to force in. Keep politics out of the game or if you don't then do it tastefully. It felt like I was being bludgeoned with left wing talking points through most of the game. Loved ME:3 of course as I stated in a previous post finally being able to romance Kaiden really sealed the deal for me.

I'm not sure I would say it's so much a political affiliation thing but more of an "angsty sixth-former" one, as Roger Waters described some of Pink Floyd's more celebrated lyrics. Certain issues were handled in a manner that was shall we say not exactly seamless. I think some were smoothed out if I recall but regardless of a person's attitude to the subjects in question the handling was indelicate. I think it didn't help that there was a bit of a PR failure which did nothing to encourage considered discourse.

I noticed these Trent Oster tweets and sense a negative undertone.

In case you don't know who he is:




https://twitter.com/TrentOster/status/1234267620955656192


https://twitter.com/TrentOster/status/1235635326292340737

I dislike Sera almost as much as Vivienne does. But in a manly way ofc.

Of course there was no comment from EA-Ware, ups Bioware.

Trent Oster from Beamdog twittered more and positiv about Baldurs Gate 3:






Of course Trent would have made BG3 himself but he is very decent and wishes his competitors all the best. thumbs up

Sera's lovely and cuddly and only slightly bitey and scratchy. Vivienne is... well, like some other people I've known IRL. Their verbal sparring always seemed to end in a bit of a draw: Vivienne could obviously outwit Sera in terms of the well-honed erudite put-downs she'd use in her political circles but Sera torpedoed a lot of her comments with creative vulgarity. I admit I feel a stronger desire to aspire to Sera's talent than Vivienne's: I just find that sort of lifestyle too suffocating.

What? DAI was amazing!
It's more action focused than DAO but it is also way more balanced and all classes are good.

I did enjoy Vivienne more than Sera, but they both have their quirks. I think looking at this from an alignment perspective best describes how I perceive them. Vivienne is True Neutral. She will always put herself first and make good or evil decisions whatever suits her best. Sera is Chaotic Good. She will always strive for good, but to the beat of her own drum. With her chaotic nature both she and I rubbed each other the wrong way with my stance being neutral good. While we both wanted good we couldn't see eye to eye on how to achieve good. Which caused frustration. With Vivienne being neutral she was easier to communicate with.

Since I can quantify them in this manner that means they were well written characters and that is worthy of praise.

For fans of the old - school Bioware team:

James Ohlen (Bioware/Baldur's Gate), Drew Karpyshyn (Bioware/SWTOR/Mass Effect), and Chad Robertson (Bioware/SWTOR) have gotten licensing from Wizards to work on a sci-fi themed RPG through their new studio Archetype Entertainment. Funding was secured in January.

There is hope yet for a proper, new cRPG in our life-time.

https://www.archetype-entertainment.com/

This looks interesting even though Sci-fi RPGs aren't really my thing. I can't wait to hear more about it.

sci fi rpg is a very difficult formula. really, all we have for examples are Mass Effect and Fallout (there are other notables like Septerra Core, Rama, Sierra's Bladerunner, etc, but many of them end up being more "adventure" than "RPG".)

right now, I have huge mahogany for sci fi. I've been reading Cixin Liu's "Three Body Problem" trilogy, watching the Expanse, and getting just hyped on good sci fi like I haven't been in years.

That sounds like good news. I hope they come along with something great too, thanks for sharing.
More good games welcome


edit: Oh, look at their values:



Let's learn from them right now and take that to heart for this forum.

Urgh Sera's vulgarity is just... or her complete disinterest for anything beyond herself.

In all honesty I really don't care what Bioware think of BG3 Bioware stop being a great gaming company a long time ago the only reason why Bioware is still alive is to do with EA not letting Bioware die off all of the great writers are gone from Bioware Bioware is just a shell of it's former self now I hope Larian Studios does not sell out to EA if there do there will just end up where Bioware is now a dead gaming company

Pretty much all of this.

Bioware died after Mass Effect 2 and DA Origins IMO. Their writing and game development took a massive nosedive and they're completely mismanaged as evidenced by Andromeda and Anthem. I don't even have to touch their political schtick when their incompetence outshines everything else.

I just hope Inxile, Larian, CDPR, etc. don't go down the route of Bioware and BGS.

Agreed we don't need another good gaming company going down the same path as Bioware

any newer reactions? i was the same reaction as him before the 1st gameplay premier on march 4. his reply was on 18 feb.

Yeah and honestly even DAO was kind of bad, just not egregiously bad like the later entries in the series.

So I waited till ME Andromeda was dirt cheap and I went in determined to just try to make the best of it. The thing is, the more I played it the more I liked it. The game mechanics were a lot of fun (I went melee, which I never did in the originals). Apparently they fixed the facial thing, or added a couple of models that were much better, I was actually sad that they had dropped support at that point.

Bottom line they were blatantly disrespectful to release the game in the state I saw it in at day one and the fan base got their attention. They again showed how bad their inner character was by just scuttling the ship. Upper management clearly demonstrated that businessman who don't use or understand their own product should do something else. They could have easily turned that ship around into a winner. It just needed an experienced "cleaner" to come in and fix the mess.

Former head of Bioware Montreal: "What do you want me to do?".

"Make me some coffee please."...pauses thoughtfully..."on second thought, I got it".

Yeah, it was really pretty sad. I don't really know for certain what went on behind the scenes but I think much of it is pretty obvious, as stated here. Whether it was sacrificed because ME3's finale had caused such a ruckus or because Hudson had returned and simply had no interest in something that wasn't Anthem; I also wonder if there may have been an element similar to Levine's attitude to a Bioshock he wasn't involved in, too. It would've been interesting to see what they could've made of it had they actually given it the full AAA treatment, but as it is it turned out to be good enough that I spent a lot of time in it. And since I'll soon be looking for something new to play and there's a bit of a games drought at the moment, it may be time for me to finally give it another spin.

I enjoy most Bioware games, the only single player one I didn't complete was Andromeda. I barely made it an hour in before checking out, but games I can't leave sitting without my anxiety/ADHD kicking in are hard to play these days. Honestly, it's one of the reasons I'm glad this game is turn based.