Hello everyone!

Patch 3 (which hasn’t been named yet) is just around the corner, and with it comes the first changes that affect story. Unfortunately, this means Patch 3 will introduce the first save incompatibility, transitioning to the new version.

Fret not, however! Each patch will come alongside a secondary branch which will allow you to continue playing the previous version with your existing savegames, until you decide you’re ready to play on the latest version. Maybe you’d like to wait for a few patches to pass, for example, before you re-roll. Totally up to you!

It’ll work like this:

The secondary branch will be the previous version, but the primary branch (default download) will be the latest version. To access the secondary branch, do the following:

STEAM:

-Right click on the game in your library
-Select properties
-Click the BETAS tab
-In the list under "Select the beta you would like to opt in to", select patch2
-Close the properties menu

If you do the above steps, you are all set to continue your current playthrough.

If you are unsure whether you want to update to the new patch, we recommend disabling automatic updates now, so that you have the choice to manually update to the new patch or opt-in to the secondary branch once the patch arrives. To disable automatic updates follow the below steps:

STEAM:

-Right click on the game in your library
-Select properties
-Click the Updates tab
-Select "only update the game when I launch it" in the drop down menu

GOG:

-Select the game from the owned games section
-Click the settings button top right and select manage installation > configure
-To disable auto-updates, there is a checkbox “automatically update to new version” > uncheck this box to stay on the current patch
-Unchecking this box will let you roll back to a previous version

You can already move to the beta branch now, if you’d like to protect your save file and continue on the current version. Note: save files are not ‘deleted’ from your computer; they’ll remain in your folder, but you’ll only be able to load saves specific to their respective versions.

Important note: If you want the option to go back to the previous patch, it’s best to make a new in-game profile and backup your local saves from the previous patch. You can do the following before or after updating to the latest version:

• Before starting a new playthrough, create a new profile by clicking the profiles button on the top left of the main menu. All your progress in the new patch will then be saved under this profile while your old saves are safe in the previous profile.
• As an extra safety measure, you can manually back up your savegames:
  Go to /Documents/Larian Studios/Baldur's Gate 3/PlayerProfiles/
  Find the folder that is named after the profile you used in the previous patch
  Copy and paste this entire folder into a backup location
• If you want to revert back to the previous patch, follow the instructions above and activate your old profile
• If you have somehow lost your progress by overwriting savegames and want to restore your old backed up savegames simply copy over your old profile folder into its original location again: /Documents/Larian Studios/Baldur's Gate 3/PlayerProfiles/
  Sync back to the patch2 beta branch with the instructions above and load your old savegames

We know that having to switch branches may be annoying, but this is part of early access. All the feedback we’ve been gathering from your adventures and posts will go right into these patches, so next time you play it’ll feel like an experience you’ve helped to create.

Note: Branching unfortunately won’t be available on Stadia for the moment.

Thank you for the pre-patch announcement!
Now to get a clean install so I don't mess up the update with mods :|

Hurray!

While your are at it:
When?
Sneak peak?

Youpie

that is just the worst way to use early access branching.

use it to give us access to the next upcoming "unstable" build (that is how every single early access dev does it, except you.....)
not the previous version.....

rip

It's amazing how little they are willing to tell us

Thank you for the heads-up.

I set the game to the beta branch now to ensure old saves work (and to Update only on launch).

Considering how there are always some people who do not read anything, I dread the whining threads to come on the forums.

I like that, at worst, players can still revert the update and the old saves will remain untouched.

New content yay!

Source?

the 50+ early access game in my steam library and egs library

let me name you some just at random

industries of titans ,does it
satisfactory ,does it
foundation ,does it
space haven ,does it
factorio did it
oxygen not included did it
kerbal space program did it
ark did it
rust did it
starbound did it
besiege did it
prison architect did it
I could go on like this all day

No..No. I want a list of EVERY game and verification that it did it the same way. Its what you said...back it up or STFU.

have fun shorturl.at/gjvJ3

Hoping we will see Paladins and Good Guy Companions

Interesting, changes affecting the plot! It sounds promising. We are waiting

The difference is that Larian will actually release the game next year, while many of the games you mention were/have been in 'Early Access' for years. I personally vastly prefer Larian's model.


This is also pretty much how they've done things since D:OS ten years ago. If you had done the slightest bit of research before impulse-buying a €60 EA game that clearly marketed itself as such, you would have known that.

Hopefully the story update is that as you're floating on the raft towards the towers you gain 2 additional combat AP and introduced to source vamparism.

Yay

Hurraaay a new patch. Looking forward to it.

I'm intrigued because you said it would change story. Also thank you for notifying us, it's nice to be informed. Looking forward to patch.

I am just curious what's coming. It's in a very early state and just can become better

Great news! I would love to see jump shortcut If I remember correctly most of the updates were on Tuesday right?

Thanks for the heads up !

I'm still playtesting a number of things, and thus need to have saves at various points. Although I have really more saves than I need ... And the game as it is, i.e. BG3 Playtesting Edition, current lets me go to level 3 and near camp celebration within 5h of starting a new game. But I'd rather finish what I'm doing with my current saves.

Would be nice to know if it's hours away or days away. :P Curious about this patch, it seems like the first one to bring something besides technical fixes.

Yes I'm really curious as well.

*hits the update button frantically*

Very nice. Me, I'm gonna scrap my old saves and begin anew. I completed my first playthrough two weeks ago, and now I'm just restarting and trying new classes/races/paths. I've started about a half dozen times in the last two weeks. I'm gonna start a new playthrough when the patch hits.

There is an UPDATE button??

Me too. In fact, I've already done it. My game is a clean slate and I'm just waiting for the patch to hit. Everyone else at work will be looking forward to the Thanksgiving weekend, I'll be sitting there impatient to get home and see if there's been a Steam update.

Yeah, I'm going to start over too, not like I got that far anyway.

I was a half-elf Warlock (CHA build) for my first playthrough, don't know what I'll be now.

TFW you want to start a new character but you're not sure if you should wait

You should definitely wait for this patch to hit, or your saves won't be compatible (unless you opt out of the upcoming branch).

Very excited for this!

Is there a time frame for when this is going to occur? This week (Nov 23rd through 27th) or next week (Nov 30th through Dec 4th) or the following week (Dec 7th through 11th)?

Before the Christmas holiday would be nice, BUT, you know, tomorrow would be nice too

I think "just around the corner" means "a couple of days" at most... but who knows.

Looking forward to this, whenever it arrives. I've gone through about 80% of the content, and stopped there a couple of weeks ago. I can handle about one more full playthrough of Act 1, and then I'll probably wait for the final release.

I feel like an option for an equivalent to like "newgame+" with your current character.

Obviously if the narrative changes conflict with the current patch you cant just keep your old characters but keeping the level you've worked towards at a minimum would be nice to soften the blow. Be even nicer if you could keep your equipped gear and/or approval rating but I get that is a bit unrealistic.

lol

Oh well, at least I finished a full run with whom I thought would have been my principal toon.

Alas I'll say farewell.

Now I am curious so I hope the pathc doesn't land too far in the near future ^^

Just release it already

Do it Larian.. you won't.

For me to fix “Under construction” screens is just enough to start a new playthrough;)

Hope they use real D&D rules. ;P

Story related...wonder if companions will have more of a active roll in conversations then. I'm going to guess its that, since that was one of the top requested features.

If its going to branch will we be able to delete old saves en mass? I understand some people use different profiles as a way to organize saves by character, but I only just learned about that yesterday so I feel like I have a 100 to scroll through lol. Tried to torch the save folder once or twice but I think they are in the cloud still? Anyhow, clean slate sounds good at this point. Rip them all down hehe

I hope we get a new class

I name the patch as Jeff.
Let it be known.

This is not overwatch go away!

They don't want to deal with saves, messed up by the old buggy code. They are doing us a favor by even providing that 2nd branch. Which I will personally skip because my saves got too buggy to continue with a few quest not doable, doggo going full pitbull on me, etc.

No, you have to see that from a developer's point of view. The branch continues to evolve in its Early Access phase, one does not start a new public, stable branch for each new set of features.

In software development and continuous delivery practice, it's exactly how a team proceeds, they keep a default stable branch, develop a new feature on a separate branch (which should not be accessed by others), then merge back onto default when it's validated (I'm skipping the release and fix/hotfix branches to keep it simple).

Since Steam is not the best platform and forces the user to always update, Larian had to find a workaround, with a new fake branch they had to create especially on the point before merge because of people who would otherwise complain about the loss of saved games (even though we all knew about this).
On GOG it's simpler, you can choose not to update.

They shouldn't do that really, and just go on with the update and wipeout (or let user prefer GOG on Steam). When I participated in several other games in development, that was the standard procedure, you don't want to see any further issue reports related to old releases.

maybe you should have keep reading before posting this cuz you are making a fool out of yourself..... cuz you can't be more WRONG. the way larian is doing it, is not the way early access game dev does it(in general) I posted a list of some game took at random in my huge early access list and they all did it and still does it with a EXPERIMENTAL branch , you have the stable version of the game and the unstable version of the game the experimental one more uptodate but more bug. it updated regularly (every day) and when it reach a sufficient stable state they push it on the stable version.

i can cite you example if you want but most if not all early access game does it that way. with some exception like Larian who don't have a clue

the way you describe it is very rare among early access dev. in my 73 early access game on steam I could only find 3 games that did not when the experimental branch way. and BG3 is one of them.

keeping back up of previous version can be done manually. or, by not pressing the update button, yes you can do that on steam too. you can disable it all.

and it does not need branching. it's not the proper way to use the BETA patch feature on steam even when you go and read what is the beta patch branching feature from the steam wiki , you can see its not meant to be use as back up version but as a way to provide your player base a way to test upcoming feature before implanting them for good.

and by doing it that way you can retain more active and engaged player who want to give feedback and test the game.

oh and losing your save file , is like a feature on a early access game. don't buy one if you not ready to face bug crash and lost of data.

be we all know by now this BG3 EA is not a EA. the communication is only 1 way.

Gambling gambling who wants to gamble when this patch will actually be released?

I would say Redglyph provided an accurate description of what the development process looks like. What you're discussing is something else.

As a reply to this (your) post and your earlier post about experimental branches:

Larian has stated that they are not entering early access for playtesting purposes (even though of course there is a lot of bug-related feedback) but rather to involve the playerbase in shaping the game. Assuming that this is indeed their intention, then there is no reason what so ever to have an experimental branch, because the current state of the game is experimental in itself. There is no stable branch. The other games you are talking about are most likely releasing as early access for other reason and thus have the incentive to provide both stable builds and less stable/really unstable builds for unfinished mechanics and features.

The beta feature is an interesting solution to let people finish a playthrough and to continue exploring in their own pace, if they aren't ready to or interested in moving on. Even if it's not how developers usually make use of the beta function, it is a rather clever option for the user/player.

The patch is...

Down down down by the river

But what if the water burns like acid?!?!?!

Dihydrogen Monoxyde is the highest level acid in the ph scale with a 7.

So how soon is 'soon'? I mean some of are trying to avoid discussing politics with our families. You, Mr. Larian, could be directly responsible for families speaking to one another. Do you want that on your conscience?

They explicitly said around the corner. What is so unclear lol

So when is "just around the corner" ?
Do I try to finish it out this extended weekend? or do I stop playing until the new patch comes out?

Hey Sven i am a big fan of yours. But i am going to ask how is the sizes of the corners on your offices?

This corner is very far

the corner is 1 lightyear wide

Larian Office Corner

@Jess_Larian Any idea what the new patch adds or fixes within the current game? Or can you at least give us some information so we can decide whether or not we want to continue or re-roll a new
character?

I know I'm hoping that they fixed some of the combat issues like when you have a 90% chance to hit and get a critical miss or when the enemy is right In front of you and you get "Invalid Target"

Also, I've got the game set to "Always keep this game up to date" but I've got it to where it's using Patch 2 will this mess up my current gameplay to where I'll have to re-roll my toon?

Yes it will. We will all have to roll new toons.

If you want to finish your current game you will need to uncheck "always keep this game up to date" box.

What Larian Thinks "Around the Corner" means

What does “around the corner” mean? Not that I’m impatient, but it’s been a month since any major announcement has been made, so I’m somewhat skeptical

I am glad to see you guys have not abandoned us though. lol, and Im looking forward to some new content

Hopefully this patch will change up the evil playstyle storyline according to our feedback. Its not in a good spot.

And maybe you need to be more civilized, and read more carefully yourself. I have seen the long list of games, I'm talking about development and what makes sense. Apparently you are too busy playing games to think about that.

Well, today they published an announcement in steam, I think it's coming soon.

I only see the pre-patch annoucement of the 24th they've just pinned, did you see something else?
Can't be far. I hope we don't have to re-download the whole game though

I don't believe they'll release it during the weekend so we'll probably won't see it before Monday

You're right, I somehow thought they made this post today. My bad.

Um, by "around the corner" did you mean Wednesday night or the day after the announcement for those of us on Stadia?

When I logged in to play that evening, my saves were all gone, gone, gone and I mean .... gone!

I did start another character immediately, but am left wondering if this little bird is doomed to be wiped, if in fact the dreaded patch has NOT already descended? If it hasn't then this purge that I experienced must be a what ... serious glitch?

What was the point of this announcement? The way this studio communicates is aggravating.

And when I read your original post you had gotten my hopes up. I think I'll go play BG II with Minsc and Boo and let Boo the space hamster go for the eyes. Besides, it's been a while since I played BG ii and it will bring back some memories o the earlier days of gaming.

I'm hoping that it will be before I am able to buy my Ryzen 5000 chip and my 6000 series AMD GPU.

To let you know that saves won't be compatible, so you can make decisions about which branch to play on, whether or not you'll start a new playthrough, etc. Makes sense to me.

I'd also like more details, but the reality is probably that they themselves just don't know yet. Game development is a messy process, things can and do go wrong at the last minute, and there's no point in releasing a patch that's going to break a bunch of things.

Let's hope the corner is before the 10th of december.

I blame Gale.. Probably he absorbed the patch!... Damn it Gale!

((Just doing some jokes i know Larian is hard at work))

It does make sense, but without time frame it just leaves everyone hanging

We can just speculate. But i think the patch was ready to get released but most likely something went not as expected this is the Development process for you.

Would be nice tho to have a bit more communication by Larian side tho.

Tuesdays have been patch days for several games for as long as I can remember. My guess is Tuesday Dec 1st at the earliest.

I hope Larian write directly what exactly you changed in the plot, and do not invite players to search and look for it personally "to maintain interest in the game." This will make it easier to test and collect feedback.

lol the image of the corner in Larian offices.

Hey @Raze is there any chance you could ask if 'corner' means days or weeks? I had settled into 'probably Xmas' and then this announcement made me think 'in a day or two'.

being a stadia player sucks rn since i really want to play but it feels pointless with the patch coming up. Hope that corner is close lol

My save got too bugged anyway, so at least they told me there is something to wait for. I didn't even make it past that Underdark temple. I wonder if there is a modding community for it somewhere? The one that managed to remove the level cap preferably

It is, i agree. It’s the one major criticism I have so far. They keep us in the dark a little too much imo

there are a few Mods over on Nexus.com but not sure what all is over there currently you could check it out.

there is my friend. Over at Nexus I have 29 installed so far.

Same. Although, with a balance to be found. They could say "we changed the way Minthara recruits you", though they perhaps should not say everything about what exactly they changed in that area of the story. There is some value in letting people play "as if for real", since that is how most people will play on full release. But I feel the time for "here's the whole game, we don't tell you anything about our plans, please give whatever feedback you want" is past, and now is the time for " hey, we changed this mechanism, please let us know how this works" and "we definitely plan to add this feature but certainly not in the near future"

Maybe include all the changes in the patch note, but label story changes as spoilers

Looks like the patch can mine ethereum better than rtx3080...

Come Dec 10th i probably wont care about anythig EABG3 for a while

Still it would be nice if Larian could be a bit more open on what their thoughts are regarding the feedback.

Looking forward to it.

Not giving a specific date/time gives them flexibility. If it hits before Xmas I’ll be content.

Would be awesome if they could make a YouTube video about the changes and release notes

I don't understand you, don't you agree with what was just said about that a few posts up? And why not?

They don't keep us in the dark by giving a warning so we don't update if we want to keep the saved games. Do you see a better way to do so?
If they hadn't done so, everyone would be whining about the lack of heads-up. Though personally I'd simply update for everyone and get on with it, it's an Early Access and loss of saved games is to be expected.

As for the timeframe question, it probably depends on the advancement of the validations, it's not something very predictable. They don't have to give us any update timeframe, anyway.

+1

Why, what's happening on December 10th?

I agree.

If you are a Stadia player you are now in the position that as soon as you quit the game your saves might be wiped.

If we could be given a not before date at least we could plan around that.

The very fabric of the universe will collapse. Cyberpunk 2077 will be released.

Lol I can't believe there are people who still believe this game will be released

You joke but when Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 released, it took everyone's lunch money. Even gears of war 2 got murdered (compared to what was expected, sales wise) by it. Considering how big/hyped the release is going to be the internet is going to die when it comes to downloading it.

Oh man don't even tell me about CP2077 - i have Network+ exam booked on 17th so i will have to delay installing Cyberpunk or i will fail for 100%

I wonder how CP2077 will impact other games. It is an RPG AND a shooter. Will it keep both audiences to itself? Or perhaps only subsets of the two, since it's neither a "traditional/fantasy" RPG nor a "hardcore/PvP/realistic" shooter? Then again, it's primarily an RPG, so the split is likely to be uneven. I also expect immersive sim audience to be on board (might even be the majority).

(It's huge, that's for sure.)

An ugly combo meaning I'll be watching it on youtube. I doubt they can beat their Witcher Wild Hunt masterpiece. After so much hype it can't be anything but a disappointment.

was wondering with this being an EA are there any issues with your mods and the game so far? As I've seen I few which I'd like to add to the game. Which mod organizer do you use> I.E Vortex, Candor,
or BG3MM?

From the official site:

not an RPG. They were criticized for calling it an RPG in the first place, after people finally got a chance to try the game. And I hope that's exactly how they gonna impact other games: make people stop calling "RPGs" Action-games with 1 and a half of RPG elements.

On the main theme I would presume that the patch will come out on this Monday or Tuesday. Otherwise we should be waiting one more whole week, because Larian would want to have as many working days as possible right after the launch to be able to react on possible problems, add hotfixes.

Bravo! About time someone were telling this. Everywhere i told that people just roasted me like if that game was the holy Graal!

Not sure which post you are talking about
Fact of the matter is their communication over the past month has not been the best. I’m not asking for exact timeframes, simply an update on how things are going

They did so for the next patch though, even if it took about a month of radio silence to get there, so I won’t complain about it for the time being.
Edit: if you mean my previous post here, even then I said I was skeptical of their announced timeframe, and cited the lack of overall communication over the past month.

Giant asteroid heading toward Earth. 2020, yup!

Actually, it’s the release date for Cyberpunk 2077

Exactly. That's the reason why i won't get ANYTHING done for at least a week

ı ve played 9 hours and deleted my save and promise till wait new patch. It should come until 10th. then its cyberpunk time. Or ı can just forget the game for weeks.

I'm disappointed, and sad, three games I wanted this year: Baldur's Gate 3, Cyberpunk 2077, Bloodlines 2. The last one post poned to 2021, Cyberpunk delayed to december, Baldur's gate in a really far early access. :'(

I was thinking the same thing. I'm more into the RPG than I am into the FPS style of games. Don't get me wrong I've most of the DOOM series but they don't hold my interest like Skyrim; The Witcher series, Baldurs Gate, etc. And with this one having both together I might have to take a pass on it as well and watch it on youtube

I think it is interesting that you put the Witcher and Skyrim in the same class as Baldur's Gate. In truth the Witcher and Skyrim are closer to Cyberpunk or Valhalla than to Baldurs Gate. The old school RPG system tends to focus heavily on the party and it ability to work together while the Action / Adventure style of RPG focus is on the solo player by and large.

Each game style has it's plus or minus and appeal. To me however, MOST, action style RPGs use image quality as a crutch to hide a lack of depth in story line. I would rather an RPG not be as pretty but has a deep and compelling story that pulls me into the play. Plus with a good co-op system you can have that party working together experience like we had on table top, something that is easier to do in more traditional style RPGs.

Ha finally a patch that will give me a good reason to start a new play through. Hopefully the changes are substantial enough to justify a full play through

Maybe he mean fantasy setting? Not only gameplay part, but also the atmosphere. I don't care about cyberpunk because it's not a fantasy setting.

And why exactly are you saying it's not an RPG? I've been playing many tabletop systems for years, I played the Witcher and I know a lot about Cyberpunk and for me it's obvious both these games are RPGs. Different than BG, but still RPGs. The Witcher is just an RPG with pre-generated character from the books (but hey, I played many one-shot sessions in which I got pre-generated characters from my GMs).

I wholeheartedly agree with you, Phea. You are actually 100% correct. I get what Groo is trying to say, but he's mistaken.

Well,

technically speaking is every game in which you take on one or several roles an RPG. It's just that the definition of RPG is usually reserved for a certain type of game for...let us say....ease of identification.

Agreed. I'm not sure why CP2077 is supposed to NOT be an RPG; it's not a cRPG (in the sense of "party-based isometric/top-down pausable computer RPG"), but I'd say it's very much an RPG. No less than TES or The Witcher. Perhaps more so. It's based on a TTRPG and seems fairly faithful to it in character building (to my unfamiliar eye, anyway), allows you to create and roleplay a character, appears to have choice&consequence, has an explorable living world, is story-focused... FPV, shooting and cyberpunk setting(?) imo don't make it any less of an RPG.

Cyberpunk 2077 will be nice. But a good Shadowrun would have been better.

Cyberpunk seemed like it will be more RPG than the Witcher so I really don't get the complaints

People already starting to talking about cyberpunk 2077, this game has so much hype, if new patch release close date with 10th. Ä°t could be forgotten.

Well, there is only so much we can talk about in regards to this lame pre-patch notice. There is nothing that screams "improve your communication with your community" louder than your community talking about a different game in a patch announcement post

The single player ones, Returns, Hong Kong, and Dragonfall were great IMHO. The MMO didn't do so well sadly.

A good turned based one with multiplayer, DM mode and a toolset would make me very happy.

I am a great fan of Larian and i love baldurs gate 3 i know this game is in early access however even if i am being patient would be better to have a little bit more of comunication. As the patch was told to be around the corner.

Now alright problems can happend in the development but leaving the community hanging for days with not even a grain of communication is not a good thing to do.

Especially being a week now and people have paused their current games in anticipation.

modding has slowed to a crawl as well.

I suspect that if it had been less than a week, plenty of folk would have been unhappy that they'd not had enough notice, or that they didn't have the time to do just that one bit before the update, or switch branches, or whatever.

It might be nice to have a whole team to manage our expectations, but that would mean taking away development time, both in having to pay that team, and in them having to get updates from the development team at a finer level of detail than might otherwise be necessary.

Streaming as well. Larian radio silence.

Understandable, now that I think of it.

news is news its good they gave us something. The more they give us the better however there is a fairly significant amount of stuff leaking out the wood works at the moment. That has been floating around. Most of that cant be confirmed till we get word from larion further.

Druid being a big one has been for a while however just actual screen shots have been floating around with advanced dialogue. A new companion has been mentioned. Advanced dialogue and interactions for barbarians has been around but there less substantial details on this. Original rumor mill was feb-april before we got news on barbarian sorcerer and monk so more substantial info leans away from that. Screen shots were passed around about some other things as well but till larion really says any more its pointless to get hopes up. Because even with data seeping out the wood works since the announcement until they give an official patch notes we don't have official confirmation.

I don't care what they add, I just want to know date... If they can't even give an exact date, does that mean there's still a lot of work to do?

I haven't been watching the steamdb info for a few weeks, prior to that, you'd see Patch3 updated about once a day.
I looked today, and not only is that true, but Patch4 was updated as well. Because I haven't been watching it, I don't know if the creation of Patch4 is really recent or has been floating around for a while.
If it's the former, I'd hope that indicates that Patch3 is almost out the door.
Just some speculation (shrug).

https://steamdb.info/app/1086940/depots/

Also the summer2020_loca has been updated, which educated guess is the localization files (translations for different languages). IIRC, I didn't usually see regular updates to this either when I was paying attention, which also is a good sign for a release soon.

Huh... Big corner, I guess.

I play on stadia. I know, stadia is the ugly stepchild of the gaming World it seems. But we don't have a way to branch the game like people with $2,000 gaming computers do. I had started my second playthrough last week but there's no point in forging ahead if I'm going to lose all my saved games. On Friday, my dad died of covid and all I want to do is play some Baldur's Gate 3 but I feel like it would be a waste to do so if all my saves become useless tomorrow.

Please guys, no more soon, out of the door, around the corner, or any other vague time frame

Sorry about your loss. I play on Stadia too. Don't really mind the lack of specifics as to what's new in the patch. But would at least want a time frame. Like this week? Next few days? Doesn't have to be specific but at least something other than soon.

All of my saves on Stadia were wiped less than 48 hrs after the Patch 3 announcement, so probably a glitch. But I'm glad that I went ahead and created a new character as I inadvertently found a new favorite: Lightfoot Halfling Rogue.

If he gets vanished when the actual patch drops, I'm going to just run him again.

Around the corner.

I would suggest Stadia players try new combinations till the new patch comes out....whenever it does...
I'm trying a Shield Dwarf Wizard running around in half plate, battle axe and plenty of HP at the moment. Its also nice to see how the NPC react to the different races. for example, with a Gith, you can do the talking at the Gith bridge, not that it helped when I tried. Goblins treat Drow much different than the other races. I haven't tried all of the others yet myself.

I get the call of Stadia, but you aren't being realistic by claiming it is the same as a $2k box. You don't need any where near a $2k system to play BG3. My PC is and old system I inherited from my deceased FIL some years back. You can get a significantly better one for $300 these days. I added a $170 NVidia 1650super. BG3 auto-set to "ultra" settings. If the PSU from the retired office computer I am describing isn't up to a 1650 super, it would be up to a 1650 vanilla, that I assume would also default to "ultra" settings. Its not just BG3 either. The 2077 that so many people here love to talk about has a recommended CPU of a i7-4790, that you can get in that $300 ex-office computer as well. another $500 on top of that and you'd blow away recommended setting for 2077, but not the real high end ray tracing without a fair bit more. Does Stadia give you cutting edge ray tracing? Stadia's cost looks to be $10 a month, plus whatever it costs to get that level of connectivity. I'm on cellular internet, so it wouldn't be a good option for me regardless, but lets figure another $20 for the added bandwidth for most. If we figure it is the equivalent of a ~$500 machine, reduce the cost by the ~$100 for the controller, and we have a $400 PC premium. That gets paid for in just over a year by my numbers. Now we get these issues and the possibility for me to mod my games, and play off-line, the PC option looks better and better, especially if we consider it will still have value in a year.

Look I like you Larian but I need to make a personal note to not digest your announcements till a couple weeks later for timeliness. Not playing the game, waiting for the patch. Better be a big one. Please drop it before cyberpunk or bg3 won't be touched much till that's done by a lot of people.
I am about 100% convinced that they really just felt like they needed to say something after realizing they had been silent for a month, I don't think I've ever seen a patch announcement give so little information.

Yeah it's kinda funny has how this has gotten worse -- the EA announcement was done right. August. Maybe. Everyone got that COVID was real and guesstimates are guesstimates. And the "soon" is going backwards.

I'd be happy with "we're shooting for a week but major bugs could ruin those plans" an estimate with some wiggle room.

Right, I feel like I'm going insane trying to decipher what 'just around the corner' means. Obviously longer than the amount of time it takes for people to start talking in your forum post about that being kind of a bs phrase that doesn't say anything.

Thanks so much. My fingers are crossed that we get the patch tomorrow and I can go back to having something fun to do to take my mind off things.

Imo it's very understandable they don't give exact day of the patch - if they happen to discover a gamebreaking bug a day prior to patchday and it gets delayed, people are going to be like "YOU FUCKEN PROMISED".

But something like "probably this week/next week" would be very welcome. And would make people... not go crazy. If that soft deadline is to be missed anyway, they can always tweet "sorry guys, something that needs fixing came up, the patch is going to be delayed, likely a couple of days". That's all they'd need to do.

Idk, the communication was much better pre-EA release.

Problem is people read "Maybe next week" as "Very definitely next week".

Yeah, I know... But I think there's less people who'll read it as "definitely" than people who'll be uneasy not knowing any remote estimate. Just look at this thread. :P

no reason they can't give a reasonable time-frame, like "expected to go live between Nov. 30th and December 5th"

Any bugs in the patch can't be worse than what is already out there. This is also a production patch. they aren't claiming perfection like another studio that I am not naming.

The problem is, any timeframe given and not met will be met with outrage. They can't win no matter what they do. If they release with a bug that wipes all your saves after playing for 2 hours, people will scream. If they wait to release the day after they said they would, people will be offended and make claims that the devs kick puppies.

Maybe instead of "around the corner" Larian would've been better off just omitting any sort of timeframe. Just bluntly say that the next patch will wipe your saves if you take it. Whenever that comes.

My apologies. I'm a Canadian so I'm talking Canadian dollars. And if I was going to get a new machine to play the game on I would want it to be at its highest settings. I was also kind of exaggerating. Artistic license. Hahaha.

When it comes to the cost of stadia, I don't have a 4K television. I don't have 5.1 surround. Because of that I don't need anything more than the free account for stadia. It doesn't cost me anything per month I just buy the game just like any other platform. I live in the middle of Canada. I am in a rural place and I can barely get enough internet to run stadia but so far it works pretty good for me.

I am also old. I was old when Baldur's Gate 2 was released 20 years ago. Even older now. Hahaha. I don't play 15 different games. I play one. Baldur's Gate 3. I've been waiting for it for two decades and I'm loving the game. Certainly not worth buying a new computer just to play one game even if it ends up being the best game ever.

This thread has more pages than the #10 update. No new game information generating more traffic. Come on Larian you can see people are dying here.

It's true.... we ARE dying here @Larian! Give us a preview video interview on the new features, or something. Anything...

This is EXACTLY why.

When did the "patch imminent" warning on the launch start. I just got *quite* the shock.

Maybe I just didn't notice it, but I think that's very new, yeah.
Seeing how it's Tuesday and all, I wouldn't be surprised if the patch drops today.

That seems likely. It looks to me that they're doing everything they can to make sure we get enough warning so we don't accidentally lose saves, without over-committing to a date, like some that could be mentioned

And still, loads of people will miss it and be super mad, haha

imminent to larian could mean next week lol

Around the corner.

Looks Good please add Barbarian Gnomes.

Like This Gnome Barbarian?

I'm guessing they've run into a few major problems that they don't quite know how to fix yet, and that's taking up all their attention (as well as making it so that they can't provide a precise time estimate for the next update).

I am sure that things will improve on the communication front.

I'm not sure they want to keep us informed every day of the progression. It's EA, still very early from the final release, they probably wish to address each story by priority, and release an update whenever there is a stable revision.
And they did post an early heads-up that it would be coming, and how to prepare for it.

So I'm not sure what else you'd like to be informed of?

As for the guessing... I'd probably not venture too much without knowing anything at all of what they are doing right now

That even assumes there is daily progress.

Well now we know that imminent is more then 3 hours
If they tell us how many imminents are in one corner and how many corners are in "soon" we might be able to calculate the full release date?

Given that the steamdb is updated daily (except on the weekends) there probably is
https://steamdb.info/app/1086940/depots/

lmao! too true!

I don't know why you're addressing this to me, I'm not particularly impatient. Lots of people in this thread are, though.

Haven't played in a bit, now the start screen has this message "Patch Imminent", how long has that been there?

A few hours

This made me lol

It's been all day today...

I am honestly baffled. THis is an ea. Of course. But claim the patch in around the corner then say is imminent and nothing happens is going to upset a lot the community.

Word of advise larian. Next time just write "soon."

First, I should say that I am playing on Stadia.

So it has now been 7 days and I still cannot play the game as I know my saves will become incompatible.

If I knew that 'round the corner' meant in the distant future I could have finished my current game.

So your mileage may vary, but for me this is very bad communication.

Or do what worked before? "We're shooting for August but COVID may slow us down"

The only people who freaked out were obvious trolls. It's strange -- in the past communication has been one of their strengths.

+1 , fellow stadian here.
Kinda revolting to think that it only takes x-seconds for someone at Larian to simply tweet 'sorry for those peeps having their hopes up but patch will/wont release today/thisweek/whatever'. I know it's probably not their intention but I am growing incredibly annoyed by their inability to inform us instead of this unbearable trolling and teasing over and over. I mean how hard can it be to just write something along the lines of 'oops taking more time than initially planned' 'found issues in patch' 'doing final testing on patch' 'waiting for x before patch'. I get they don't want to pin dates and all that but a rough estimation would be nice, for all I know 'around the corner' could mean Xmass or newyear.... What a shitshow...

Not the I want to be a contrarian, but as much as I know the English language the expression "around the corner" means "not far away, or going to happen soon" [due to the fact that English is a language I learnt for fun I got help by the Cambridge vocabulary].

Not far away.

Going to happen soon.

I get that the second version of the meaning uses the "going to" that means something thas is bound to happen sometime into the future because it has been already planned, but I'm pretty sure that people read it as "not far away", something that is comprehensible, people craves for immediate satisfaction specially if they pay. Moreover a lot of players are non native users of English, a situation that implies a lesser understanding of the nuances of idioms like the one used by Larian]

Something a good social media comunicator (forums are elders of the social platforms) must be aware of.

Larian's staff made a bold move, someone doesn't need to be a troll to freak out after such an annoucement, one that, also, comes out in a period when people is more stressed than usual because of the pandemic and thus searching for ways to let it out.

I learnt to be patient (try to be a middle school teacher without having an almost infinite reserve of patience ) so I don't care, but I get if people start to loose it and start to feel frustrated every and each day that it's summed up for the launch of the patch (a patch that has been advertised as something that will bring big changes to the game, so much indeed that there's gonna be incompatibility with the current saved games).

Damn it, Larian! Just give us an ETA. I am tired of coming here to this thread to check whether the patch is available so that I can reinstall the game.

Reinstall? Are you trying to kill your SSD with the help of the game or what?

Considering that each update required about 80 GB free I just uninstalled it until things get a bit fixed. GoG was crying every time a new hotfix drops otherwise.

I don't remember it requiring that much of free space for updates for me. You probably caught that bug, which was causing reinstallation with each update before. It was fixed some time ago.
Oh, you added that you're using GoG. So yes, GoG had that exact bug.

There's a reason Blizzard trademarked soonâ„¢... ;p

with that being said....

GIMME GIMME GIMME NOW GIMME GIMME GIMME NOW

Exactly. Imagine getting news that you can't continue on because at any moment your game is going to be wiped and it's coming AROUND THE CORNER. And you stop playing thinking it's coming AROUND THE CORNER.

Over a week later, it's radio silence. No one is asking them to release a major patch before it is finished but can someone from Larian just say what is going on and how much longer it takes to go around a corner.

The way they have handled this whole thing is going to start affecting their reputation and they're already getting heat from other aspects of this game. It's not that difficult to communicate to someone.

Thanks Larian, I won't sleep tonight. Where is our patch? I want to test the Drow mage and watch new content to discuss it on the forum

It's midnight in Belgium, so I'mma go to sleep. Wonder when the patch will hit, but not tonight, that's for sure.

I don't think it will be today... Or tomorrow...

I patiently wait in the shadows for this patch to drop

We Demand More Sexy Community Update

When you're looking at the entirety of 2020, New Years Day is just around the corner.

The carrot is rotting on the fishing line in front of the Donkey.... yes i am the jack ass

I'm just wondering what "just around the corner means" is it the corner 10000 ks away or the next turn. This game has clearly been released far too early, and as a gamer I know delaying tactics when I see them. I'm sorry maybe you guys should have kept this one in the oven for a few more years as it is in grave danger of becoming irrelevant long before ever being released. Don't give us rubbish like that give us a date you know tomorrow or the next day. In fact just around the corner is now getting cobwebs on it. And as for "pre patch announcement" you've got to be kidding this just another mindless delaying tactic.

This is reasonable, it's to give people time to do whatever about branching so they don't whine about saves getting wiped. 2-3 days prior would be enough, though...

You really made an account to post .... that?
Either way welcome to the forum brother and as a fellow Gamer myself im just wondering how a post announcing a patch can at the same time only exist as a delaying tactic for said patch.

It would be better if they said a specific date, if something went wrong, they would reschedule and say another specific date. It's easier than guessing "when" every day.

Which part of "Early Access" wasn't clear, genius? "the game has been released far too early" Jeebus, not even the BASICS!

Having said that, however, I would like to reitarate that "just around the corner" shouldn't equate with "more than a week later". Unless the corner is that of the Titanic. Sunk.

Larian did screw the pooch on this one ZERO communication with the client base. Lets be realistic here its better get a 'sorry guys but work on patch takes longer then expected, we got no estimated date for it' then just click the Radio Silence button ...

Zero communication I can deal with - as long as they actually take the feedback into account, not like the did with DOS2 and the godawful armor system

hey, why not go all the way? on the scale of the universe, the year 20.001 is just around the corner

Far too early content-wise but unless there is another entity backing Larian up, we could see this particular EA as an acceptable way to get another source of funding. It goes beyond having a wide sample of unpaid beta testers.
I do not expect the game to be released in 2021 and that's good. Now they have the money so let's grant them time to reassess and develop. That game really needs it because beyond some valid pillars coming from their latest opus (and hopefully a great story), many/most other domains and aspects of the game are unsatisfactory.

well its seems like we got something https://twitter.com/Cromwelp/status/1334130153715355649

OOOOOO HYPE

Sorry unless I'm mistaken that tweet is for Overwatch. I don't play that.

Larian just love to watch us suffer! I feel like they enjoy being vague just to see how this community spirals into conspiracy theories! I love it! Thank you for being such a tease!

They certainly like to tease

You're obviously mistaken. Why even thought it's Overwatch?

6 pages long? sounds like a belated April fool.

imagine if the patch notes come out and its just 6 pages of very very detailed uncomfortably worded descriptions of romantic scenes they added

This is actually some of the most piss poor communication I have ever seen in an EA title. It doesn't take but one minute to post something on twitter, this is not good business and no way to treat customers who PAID to QA your game. Get your act together.

Some of the comments sorry don't use Twitter so not sure what they're called have images of Overwatch. And since I don't use Twitter or don't really pay attention I didn't know that that tweet was from someone who works on the game

Nevermind. Since I don't use Twitter just noticed the comments about Overwatch were from other tweets not regarding that tweet.

Pardon my stupidity

Agreed. The way they are managing this game on both the customer side and the application side is going to have a severe dent to their reputation if they continue in this manner.

Maybe today? We're fast approaching a time when the "imminent" description is going to time out...;) What's this--10 days from the "right around the corner" post? Gog also has the means for a beta branch, but actually, since everything we have so far is alpha-level, I think "update to latest version" (or not) works just as well.

So to me, "around the corner"... I can take that with a grain of salt. No problem, to me "around the corner" is more than a week and up to interpretation. What pisses me off is the "Patch Imminent" On my login screen. Imminent in NOT up for interpretation. Imminent means within the next damn hour or so.

Almost quitting time in Flanders, so if it's today it would probably have to be within the next hour.

Everyone loves a fan fiction

Maybe its time to pick the chaotic evil choise and start review bombing the game on steam ;D

Hey folks, I have good news !
This is a little off the record here, cuz I have some sources about Patch 3 ETA from a secret informant working for Larian, but I will give it away...
I have been told it is imminent
Don't thank me

I know you're joking, but absolutely not.

How about this, if it's a big fat patch with changes I like (especially ones I mentioned in my feedback), I'll leave a glowing review.

100% fact. I love Larian and I understand that we bought an Early Access game, but we did spend $60 on this game, and are essentially in a limbo right now where we can't even play it at all for an extended period of time because anything we do will be wiped out. That is part of the process, and it will happen again, but there is zero excuse for such lack of communication. There should be community managers/etc in these forums and on social media explaining where they are in the process, how long to expect to wait, and maybe even give a glimpse at the patch notes. At the very least, just a ballpark ETA of "days," "weeks," etc. I am disappointed right now for sure.

How about we wait until the game is actually finished before talking or worrying about leaving a review of a game that's still being developed and has been clear that this is an Early Access for a product that's not yet finished.

Hello Larian!

Please have a look at this article.

The fact they clearly have news and know that people are wanting to know more and just willingly say nothing is the most infuriating thing. I don't care if the patch isn't released, but just give communication and updates.

As I said, the way to show your voice is always with the $. Their next project should reflect how grossly they've mismanaged this so far.

I've not done early access games before, and I was a little disappointed that round the corner didn't mean the next day, but on reflection it really didn't seem to be unreasonable to expect it to be a week or two.
Immanent I'd expect to be sooner, with barely enough warning to finish a side quest, but then I've pretty much run a whole run through with a new this last week, just to see how a different approach works.

I know I'm in the minority here, but from where I sit they've given me all the heads-up I'd expect from a working team, and I appreciate it.

If you are playing on Stadia, I understand. You can't really play with ease of mind knowing the saves could be broken in 1 day, 7 days, or x weeks.

If you are playing on a local game on a PC, than you will not lose your Act 1 playthrough, because they have informed you about 7 days ago and you can read. If you are not on Stadia, I have zero pity for sure.

Predicting time of the update is a lose/lose situation for them : lose if you name a date and pass it, lose if you do not specify a date, but yes it would be better to announce a "ballpark ETA" as you say mostly for players on Stadia.

I understand it's a lose lose situation but when they say something is imminent that implies at least to me in a day or two or at least in the next few days.

It's Wednesday if it's not here by Friday it's past imminent. Or at least to me it is. Unless they work on weekends?

Not being impatient or anything just saying. Maybe they shouldn't have said it's imminent. Saying it's imminent only brings people's hopes up and expectations

Bravo Larian, nice amount of pissed people there. It's not my circus, not my monkeys, but I hope you will improve communication for the future.
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This patch has been particularly reluctant to leave the house - soon though!

A few years later .... its coming SOON

Honestly makes sense. Unless I'm misinterpreting things, patch 3 is basically not being worked on anymore (and patch 4 has been started), but who knows what other obstacles could delay the release?
It's mildly annoying, but this is a very glitchy EA - problems are to be expected, even when it comes to patches.

now

Oh shoot you ain't lying

Kinda sad no new class came out but fingers crossed for the next one

https://store.steampowered.com/newshub/app/1086940/view/2894089457947101686

Looking at his Twitter profile, Michael must be secretly consuming the best loot because a condition he doesn't want to reveal.

Not all EA games break saves like this, or require a 62GB download everytime. I work 6 days a week and just sat down to enjoy your game, waited a few hours for the patch, then discovered I couldn't play my save without doing the 62GB download all over again. Instance your damn installs! EA in no way excuses your version control implementation.

Downloading the game from the beginning every time (the whole 62GB) is a bug. And for GOG only : (

Yes. The patch was about 4.8GB on Steam

See GOG 62G download for patch 3, there's a thread about the update issue on GOG.

The patch2 option didn't work. My previous Profile does not show up in the game. I had to create a new one.
So this is the deal then? Expect to redo everything?

From time to time yes. Expect more wipes on major patches.

my game dont want to start ? is this because the server is mayby down?

Any word on whether or not we're going to get an Update this month and what will be in that update?

None that I know of. Question....I probably know the issue but just in case. Anyone else having serious lagging issues? Or is it just me?

No lagging but my I have crashes when trying to load saved games.

Now are these saved games before this update<patch>? If so they said that they wouldn't work that we would have to start a new game

Can someone explain what the issue is here? I have GOG on PC and I've literally NEVER had any issue with downloading, updating, saving etc. And not a single crash. So... what's going on?

I'm on Steam, not sure if thats relevant, but I have crashed to desktop on loading a save before, reloaded just fine. I've also crashed when entering rooms, (even the Helm in the Nautiloid) or when an Companion gets 'stuck' on stairs or something.

Thanks for replying, Scribe. Yeah, from what I hear the Steam and GOG versions of the game are slightly different in terms of how they're built, and how they update. But yeah, that's all I've been able to gather so far. (and maybe even that is inaccurate).

Honestly I crashed to desktop the first time I entered the helm. I was quite displeased with my purchase at that point as you can imagine.

If not for covid removing literally anything else I want to do as an option, I doubt I would have stuck it out and played through this. I'm not one for Early Access 'experience'. I'm way too old for that at this point to be a fun way to spend my time lol.

They have confirmed that they are working on patch four (with a video advertisement for the game and Razer products)

https://twitter.com/larianstudios/status/1349058941280526344

Good to hear, better be more than chroma support lol.

Oh yeah, what's this "Chroma support" for Razer? I have Razer headphones, but that's it. This new feature doesn't apply to me does it? Anyone know?

As someone with a Razer keyboard, mouse, and headset, I'd say probably not, unless you have one with LEDs built in (I don't, though my KB and mouse do). Chroma basically controls the lighting effects on attached Razer peripherals, letting you have effects like ripples across the keyboard when you press a key, or the keyboard changing color to the beat of the music, or integrating with certain games to have various effects.

I suspect that this was just a little advertising stunt to hype up the game some more, and get a little money from Razer. The name change to say they're working on patch 4 is interesting, though

Am I a dumb dumb? This Pre-Patch Announcement came out last November, right? Has Patch 3 come out and they just didn't post about it? I mean "right around the corner" is what they said.

Patch 3 is out yes?

Yes. This is a post about an old patch.

Right, but the twitter link, is for Patch 4.

To Dark _Ansem I see you have made many posts I sincerely hope most of your other posts display a better understanding of good manners and politeness than the one you posted in reply to my comments. I may not be a genius as you clearly view yourself to be but I at least have good manners. I notice many of the more recent comments starting to agree this game has been released far too early and I believe it's time Larian gave us some sort of timetable as to when more content and something more like an EA game will appear as this is little more than a demo. The only reply I can give to gorto is 'did you really log on just to post .... that?' My idea of a forum is a place where each person's views are seen as valid and discussed as such not ridiculed.

Ooooooh, I get it now. Thank you so much for replying zyr1987 and explaining this to me!! I super appreciate it.

Not every opinion is valid. You still seem to fail to grasp what early access is. I remember how DOS and DOS2 worked and this is in line what happened, but on a much bigger scope.

And fyi: your petty passive aggressiveness isn't really "good manner".

Also, who are you?

How is it they are working on patch 4 when i do not see patch 3 in steam. I only see patch 2 was this mislabeled as patch 3? Even in the instructions to install the patch it only shows how to apply patch 2.

My recollection is that patches are applied automatically ( so you probably have patch 3 ), but for those people that want to keep playing old savegames ( which are not compatible with patch 3 ), they created a mechanism to keep your game on specific older patch levels, beginning with patch level 2.

The implication is that this is a policy for future patches as well, as many are unlikely to be savegame compatible.

Of corse in your world not every opinion is valid only yours apparently. Poor petal did I upset you. For a second there when you mentioned DOS I thought you might of been talking about an operating system some of us older gamers would remember but not you.

Leave the attitude at the door, please guys.

Any news about patch 4?

So when the heck are we getting news or anything about an update? I know it is EA so don't bother with the be patient BS. The first Act is ridiculously easy and limited in what we can play and do. Any additions or changes would be appreciated by everyone.

Pleeeaasseee give us another patch, feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed usssssssssssssss Larian Feeeeeed US

What are your expectations from the new patch?
What are your interests?

I... just left that thread. Why... am I here again? Is... everything going to be Minthara from now on?

Always was.

OneManArmy only has the topic of Minthara and dating, as far as I have read from him so far.

I would love if they'd open up more hair options for Tieflings, since the npcs already have those.
And more important: playable druid and bard class.
But I guess, the bug fixes would be the most pressing matter.

Nice to see that others are looking for the Druid class and hair

Could we also get lipstick options to go with the eye shadow?
lol I know, pretty far down the list, but I'd like to see it.

I like to leave em with some positives. The render of fire and of swiftly moving water is very well done.
I'm really enjoying the way we are learning about our companions.

I know I'm totally go full on thrall to the absolute because the mind control of others is so easy.
I am interested in seeing how the vampire deals with the tadpole that is enabling him a visit to normal life.

Can we get a sneak peek of what's all in patch 3?

Like a date? How about some feedback on pressing issues? I dont even need more content, I just want to know that the Early Access we paid $60 or $70 for to provide feedback is actually being utilized.

This isn't directed to anyone in particular. But good lord, keep the entitlement to a minimum, would you?

This is game development, not some small assignment that's going to have a report every couple of weeks. For a major AAA game no less. If you chose to be part of the Early Access, you knew this going in. They even said it prior to them selling anything. The game isn't going anywhere.

I think it's been made clear by every single one of their major patches and hotfixes they've been listening to feedback. There's a priority. Unlike DoS, where they were completely fan funded, this is not. They don't owe us an update every step of the way. It's going to be a long year and half (or more) if you folks keep wanting news every 2 weeks. It'll happen. We are just out of the holidays and still in a worldwide pandemic.

It's fun to read the updates as they come, but I check the forums once a week. If there's news, great. If there isn't, I'll just check next week. It's not like I'm going to get screwed out of my money. I'll have a game a launch, just the same as anyone else.

+1

I'm eager for new content as well, but it's a massive project with many wheels in motion. Quality work takes time, and with the potential this game has, I'd love for Larian to take as much of it as they need.

I'd actually appreciate bugfixes a lot. There are bugs present since the first public version that should be easy to fix (as opposed to adding new content, which is always lots of effort).

You know how hard it would be to write up "We hear you on issues A, B, C, D, and E, and we agree, we are working to address these items."

CD Projekt Red is currently in hot water for making their employees work for extended hours and still publish a game that was a buggy mess. The holidays just happened and if Larian allowed their employees to have holiday breaks it's very understandable that they would be playing catch up before patch 4. Also COVID has updated some workflows and it's impacted game development across the industry.

There is a lot we don't know, but for now it's better to take it in good faith that patch 4 will either have a lot of new content with it or gameplay changes. And we are getting it eventually.

Cyberpunk is clearly unfinished. They should've released it ~year later. Just bugfixes ain't going to cut it, stuff like AI and generally all the NEXT GEN OPENWORLD (haha) elements are basically missing.

Larian, take all the time you need to finish & polish this game (and maybe let us help with the polishing & bug fixing through EA and then beta)!

Again, I'm not asking for content.

I'm asking for.

'we are aware of your concerns with A, B, C, D, E and F, and we agree. We are currently working to address those concerns.'

No content demand.
No demand for staff crunch.

Just tell us we are being heard.

While I wouldn't mind more communication myself, Larian is clearly going with an "actions are louder than words" approach. I don't necessarily like it, but I do respect it. It's refreshing in today's industry, where game execs promise you the moon, and then fall short of even making a good game.

They showed us in the previous patches that they are listening and willing to make changes on our feedback. You are being heard.

I mean I agree they should take their time, it's always best to take their time. but all I ask is "hey next patch such and such ill be in it!" nothing flashy just word of mouth is fine with me XD. but hey I love this studio, their games, and all I am just an eager little beaver waiting for the next log of wood!

Considering I came in after patch 3, and many others 'first post feedback' mirrors mine. I will have to disagree that their actions speak loudly at all.

Changes made in patch 3 showed that, while they may not have constantly been communicating, they were in fact listening to feedback and were willing to change things based on it. You coming in during the downtime between patches doesn't change that. Your opinion is pretty much worthless when it comes to whether or not their actions speak loudly because you haven't experienced any of their actions.

Larian actually did say that they documented our feedback. Over 100 pages of notes and it will take months to implement.

After minute 4 in this video.
Larian's Twitter Post

That seems very honest. Larian released early access with feedback from testers (which they had internal meetings to discuss what to do), us the players in early access provided feedback and Larian is currently having meetings planning how to best implement these changes, etc. etc.

Granted they haven't specifically said what are in the 100 pages of notes, but can we blame them? xD

Razer nagga mice suck and I wouldn't use another one even if they gave it to me for free

I'm excited to see what the next update will bring, no matter when it will come. Of course I'm hoping for sooner, but I'll be fine with later if that's when it arrives. No need to rush. I am holding out hope that there will be an ability to roll stats added to character creation, but that's just me. That would be the best possible change/addition that could possibly be made in my view, but again... That's just what makes computer RPGs fun for me (Continually rerolling until I get exactly what I want and then playing through with it). I understand that there are some others who, for whatever reason, don't agree with that. Whatever. I will say though, in reading through these last few pages of content it is probably a very good thing that I don't work for Larian. I would have literally copied and pasted a post that said "We hear you on issues A, B, C, D, and E, and we agree, we are working to address these items." (with no other content).

As long as you fill in the blank's on A through E, thats all I could care about at this point.

If I was Larian, I too would say little or nothing. As soon as they announce "we are working to address your issues regarding A" . folks will start screaming "address it how exactly". And as soon as they mention HOW they plan to address it, folks will scream "that's wrong, that isn't what we want, that won't work" before even trying it. And if, gods forbid, after announcing exactly HOW they intend to address it, they find the plan is unworkable or not what they were looking for, and they change the manner in which they address it, folks will scream "that's not how you said you would address it". And worse yet, if it doesn't work, and they have to delay said fix to make modifications, folk will scream "you lied and said x fix would be in the update and it isn't there!!"

Far better to just release what they have done, as they are ready to release it - not that it will stop said screaming.

No regular communication is just poor. On an EA of this size and importance it is really critical for engagement. The occassional tweet (many people don't follow Twitter, for any number of reasons - I don't) for the odd news *soundbite* is not the same as posting actual progress updates on their EA steam page or official forums. They should follow Solasta's example - regular official updates on what they're about, honest engagement with their communiy, who are - afte rall - doing them a favour by play-testing their game from free. Again and again. I think regular feedback isn't too much to ask. And they need to have a thick enough skin to take on criticism - really, that's a poor excuse for remaining silent (or close to). Solasta chose to rework an entire game sub-system they had home-brewed in response to hefty crticism from their EA players. Their updates are regular, amusing, and brutally honest about what they can and can't do. I think pach 4 will show if they really have been listening, so I am waiting to see how they take all the feedback on their broken sysems on board.

>Anfindel
Oh then...
If I was Larian...
I would not have written things like this on the page where I sell the EA :
“We’ve learned that working directly with our players during development makes our games better.""our goal is [...] to maintain a healthy relationship with those who take the time to provide feedback and help us create a better game. "
PLUS, what is asked here (and elsewhere, more and more), is NOT to ask them to enter a debate with us. Just a little more regular communications, read what is asked.

well they just flat out lied cuz they don't work directly with the players

Please do not use these forums to attack other people, whether they be individual posters or Larian employees. There are better ways to express your concerns than to call people liars.

i hope we will get this patch soon

I will take any bug fixes and glitch repairs that they choose to patch, but I would also really like a more reasonable way to report issues without being completely ignored and/or blown off to be left flapping in the breeze sans any acknowledgment that an attempt that outreach was mounted in the first place!

Agreed. I honestly don't know whether reporting actual bugs through the feedback page is a waste of time or not. Or is the forum a better place? Honestly no idea...

When I report bugs through their official form, I'll always get an email response back acknowledging it, and usually within a couple of days an email from an actual person letting me know whether it's a known issue, an intended element, something they'll start a report on, or asking me for more details. I feel far less ignored doing those than I do with the reports I put up here (by Larian, folks here have been very supportive!).

(though to be sure, if you're submitting bug reports, use the bug report form, not the feedback form. The bug report form is at: https://larian.com/support/baldur-s-gate-3?ver=4.1.90.6165#modal )

update the game already

Now more than 60 days since the last patch.

Last patch did a lot to improve the player-character's facial expressions at various times...definitely on the right track. My ranger's expressions now are about 60% as expressive as the supporting NPCs in the party--so definitely on the right track there...;) Some work still lies ahead, of course.

Judging by the number of official patches issued in the last two months, it seems that my suggestion for smaller, regular patches no more than two weeks apart has been rejected...;)

Well with all of us providing feedback on combat, I'm sure they've had more meetings than anticipated to improve combat. We don't think about it, but our feedback can easily become meetings for Larian employees.

It's hard to push out patches at two week intervals when you're in meetings about player feedback.

Combat.
Movement.
5e rules.
Spells.

Like, we are talking basic framework here.

Where's the patch? Where's the updates?

Even an ETA of an ETA...

If you say something is coming soon, just gives us another update. It's been weeks since then. The anticipation into the 3rd month for what?

I'm starting to wonder if Larian are going into the politics business. You know announce everything at least 200 times before it ever happens just to shut the plebs up. Forget the announcements just give a decent update. You know just a bit more than jumping over puddles as exciting that was and all. This game is dying its been months now since an update.

Granted--sometimes in companies it is easy for the "meetings" to begin taking precedence over product development...that's why every company needs solid, decisive people in charge so that the developers do not lose focus on product development. It's purely a management issue. One part meeting to five parts game development is about the right ratio, imo, otherwise there's a real danger of getting bogged down in indecision and going to ever-more "meetings" to try and sort it out...;) I've seen it, actually! It's weird how "meetings" can suddenly become "work" themselves, instead holding meetings to make decisions about work--and so on.

I was actually kidding about the "two-week" patch regimen, sort of...;) Some sort of regular communication should be happening, however, as the people who have paid for EA sort of deserve it, I think. They are paying customers.

I bought this game, about a week ago. And to be honest, it is freaking awesome. The concept that it is pushing. I think will be a amazing game once early access is complete and the game releases full fledged. But with that out of the way, the game really needs a update. Or at least a update this week (beginning of February) on how the update is coming along. I continue to try to play but the bugs and the glitches and the incomplete combat and game make it so hard to play and instead of the game relaxing me it stresses me out. Which makes it hard to play (I usually play games to relax after a long day of work). Please give us some form of update, something that we can hold on to until a true update comes through.

Sorry, I don't mean to be rude, but I don't get comments like that.

You contradict yourself after two sentences.

You say the game is awesome, and you say the game is hard to play and stresses you out.

We simply don't know, if the game will be amazing once it's finished. Sure, most people hope so, but we don't KNOW.

[b][/b]You know what ?

The next week is a school holiday week here in Belgium.
I think they won't release a patch during holliday with all parents keeping their children at home.

I guess the patch is for this week... Or we'll have to wait until the 02/22+

Yes, that, and also new files with exotic names which recently appeared on Steam :
patch4_str ; patch4_paktest
So I bet on this week now

Patch will be today. Summer2020 is being updated. Finally.

Are you sure?

This is what it looks like right now on the Steam Database. For reference, "patch3" showed up in the log a day ahead of the official patch release. So we're looking at an announcement by the end of the week, probably.

I hope you are right

I my god can’t believe I survived until this day. Gods, please, give us a patch

Larian has studios in several countries so vacation time in one country doesn't mean they can't launch or continue to work. Also, the patch4 info has been on SteamDB for a long while now. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see patch 4 this week but I don't see any strong indicators one way or another.

Never played Dark Souls? It might be contradictory but makes perfect sense to me.


That's a buzz kill. I check these forums every other day and the "new post" indicators on "Latest News" is always a let down.

Ah! So true!!

I assume you are joking?...;) Last patch (third patch) was early December so it's not quite as bad as it would be if we'd been waiting since the summer for the third patch...;)

Ah, OK, I see what you mean, now. Yes, let's hope they'll deliver it very soon--should be a big one after all of this time. Such a shame that although we've paid in full for the game that all we will ever see is the first chapter, until the game ships--or maybe they'll give us the full game a week early...

I mean, we DID get the game ahead. Rather than length I'd like to see displays of depth, namely more character classes.

Finally!

Can't wait! 6 more days, hope they will add new classes

If they are willing to make an entire stream based on it, there have to be some meaningful changes. I wonder when exactly the patch is going to be deployed, though.

I don't really understand what should justify such an évent... RTWP mode + D/N cycle + party of 6 + no more chain + entire New UI ?

Hope it's not only about new classes and companions...

Seconded. Although I'm more of a turn-based tactical RPG guy myself. Too much going on at once stresses me out; but it would hold true to the BG legacy, so I respect the request.

It's not a request, I'm fine with TB but I couldn't understand such an event if it's not for VERY Big changes.

New classes, races, and companions would be a big change. I'm expecting something along the lines of more story as well. We shall see.

I would hope it is the biggest patch ever, considering it is going to take nearly 90 days between the last one. The panel being in the 17th means that the actual release of the update is even FURTHER out.

Patch 5 won't happen until August.

i guess since larian isnt using calendars anymore we can cut them some slack for the length of time between updates lmao - looking forward to the 17th

Exactly. This looks like Larian is going to use some cheesy "dramatic" presentation with Sven chained in the bowels of a carnivorous sea urchin that eats mindflayers whenever they fall into the water.....to tell us about the exciting stuff the next patch, when released, will contain!

Who needs the patch when they can stream Sven (who apparently has Hollywood aspirations) practicing his acting skills *cough*....?...;) (Scuttlebutt is that Sven has used his early Baldur's Gate 3 "movies" in a tryout for the lead role in Iron Man 7...and now he's doing another BG3 flic, he thinks will seal the deal!)

So...now, we are getting a stream in 6 days that in six days will inform us of how many days we have to wait until the next patch.

Could be they need the next six days to figure out exactly how many days it will be before patch 4 is released into the EA. Ah, precision, there's nothing like it...!...;)

So after weeks of complaints that they are not providing us with any news or updated information, folks are now complaining about the manner in which they chose to PROVIDE the requested news and updated information.

I can guarantee that even if Larian provided a weekly news update including a chart with pictures and arrows and explanatory paragraphs and mini- vids - some folks would STILL complain.

And I can guarantee it would be far less than are complaining now.

Bear in mind that the "weeks of complaints" came only after many more weeks of no info at all. Larian can do better--they know it. And the only people complaining about the lack of info are the people who paid $60 for the EA who have some reason to be interested, don't you think?

Additionally, my comments here are tongue in cheek, meant to be somewhat humorous--as opposed to a dire "complaint". Sorry you missed the obvious humor. (I don't really think Swen has a chance at the lead role in Iron Man 7, do you? Not really. I think he would agree with me.) But besides that, people, including myself, were hoping for a patch--not a great hullabaloo telling us what's going to be in the next patch whenever it's released. A date for Patch 4 is all that's been lacking.

Here's kind of what people would have preferred after 60 + days of no information at all: a date for the presentation of all of the wonderful stuff that's going to be in the next patch (which we got), and a date when the next patch will be released (which we didn't get.) After 60+ days of a complete information vacuum, it's just a tad strange that we get a date when we will learn all about the next patch, but we still don't have a date on getting the next patch--not even an estimate--give or take 72 hours. That's the only complaint I've seen--and it's legitimate. It certainly isn't unfair or ill-considered.

I find it humorous that you hypothesize that even with weekly updates replete with bar charts, photos of Swen dicing with Satan while Beelzebub mows the lawn, etc., doing his laundry, etc., with videos galore, that you believe people would still complain. Why would you say that?...;) If we'd have had a fourth of all of that then you and I would not be having this conversation...;) That's the whole point of the complaint--there hasn't been *any* of all that you describe.

To sum up, if we weren't talking about the $60 EA I and most everyone else on the forum has already paid for, then yes, I'd agree with you that we'd not have standing to make a single complaint. But since we are talking about the $60 EA, then Larian has a certain obligation to its paying customers in this instance.

It's not a major complaint nor is it a condemnation of anyone--it's just more of an annoyance than anything else. It's something that should never have come up, frankly. Day after tomorrow we will see what burns in the fires of Hell...;)

OK lets put that good energy out into the universe.

1. Paladin Class.
2. Oath of Conquest Subclass.
3. Aasimar, with Fallen Subrace.

(Yes, I RP Oath of Conquest as Good, its good for people to do what I say!)

Lets go Larian, you know you want to.

Spoken like a true Lawful Evil, very fitting for OoC Paladin 😁😉

Don't forget Oath of Redemption!

I'm interested in the Paladin class but would like to see them fix the bugs for the feats and weapons for which are still in the game and have been since day one

I am hoping for Oath of Vengeance, feeling my Batman vibes coming on, here.

As much as I love me some Batman style vengeance, I'd prefer some Jokeresque Bardic clowning... Truly though, I'd love to see Sorcerers come around just so I can tell Gale "Gust of weave? Go read a book or something, you wanna-be... because I've got your tempest hanging!"

If we're sticking to just 2 subclasses (which I hope we're not), I have a feeling Ancients and Devotion are the ones making it in.

Oath of Vengeance is probably my favorite Oath in PnP (mostly due to its spells), but I can see with the way advantage has been implemented in the game (backstab = advantage), vow of enmity becomes redundant so Larian would focus on those two.

From what I've seen, I am hoping Druid will be fun as hell to play.

Also, does Larian plan on adding more races?

I certainly hope so. They made mention of it previously, but nothing that I would consider as being an iron-clad promise. Personally, I am hoping for Minotaur and Dragonborn.

Same, am hoping for Dragonborn, Kobolds or Ratfolk.