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Posted By: sinogy Goblins are too cute - 19/10/20 08:38 PM
Goblin models are too cute, clean and even stylish to be goblins. It totally breaks the game's immersion.

They are telling distusting and awful things as it hould be in a DnD game but their models and expressions are too cute and catoonish which does not fit with rest of the game's style.

They should be uglier, more dirty and more irritating. However, they just look like World of Warcraft goblins!!! Unfortuately, this applies most of the other creatures. Humanoid characters are insanely detailed and very realistic but monsters and creatures are too cartoonish.
Posted By: Orbax Re: Goblins are too cute - 19/10/20 08:46 PM
Originally Posted by sinogy
Goblin models are too cute, clean and even stylish to be goblins. It totally breaks the game's immersion.


Crazy, I thought the goblin fort and their party and roasted dwarves and the merchant peeing next to his stand and just..everything was probably my favorite part of the game and the best thing they just nailed as far as look and feel.
Posted By: Isaac Springsong Re: Goblins are too cute - 19/10/20 08:49 PM
I'm actually with Orbax on this one. I thought the visuals of Goblins was pretty good, with a solid variety of utterly disgusting to well kept, which makes sense.

I also loved that they subverted expectations and gave every goblin a posh British accent as opposed to the nasally/scratchy voice you normally get in different mediums (LotR, prior BG games, etc).

I hate that they also gave everyone else on the entirety of Faerun that same accent, making Goblins significantly less audibly unique.
Posted By: Tuco Re: Goblins are too cute - 19/10/20 09:01 PM
For some reason people keep talking as if the British accents in the game were some sort of "posh stylistic choice" and not the consequence of, you know, a British studio (well, several of them actually) doing all the voice acting.

P.S. The goblins are absolutely perfect.
Posted By: Ol Blue Hat Re: Goblins are too cute - 19/10/20 09:02 PM
So far, the Gobbs have been the most varied thing I've encountered and I think they're fine enough.
Kill em one moment, talk to em the next. They look scrappy while still feeling less threatening on their own.
I'll say it now, I wouldn't mind a goblin companion after seeing Larian's take on them.

I think that disconnect between the graphic styling is intentional - some of these creatures aren't supposed to be natural afterall.
Posted By: 0Muttley0 Re: Goblins are too cute - 19/10/20 09:08 PM
Originally Posted by Isaac Springsong
I'm actually with Orbax on this one. I thought the visuals of Goblins was pretty good, with a solid variety of utterly disgusting to well kept, which makes sense.

I also loved that they subverted expectations and gave every goblin a posh British accent as opposed to the nasally/scratchy voice you normally get in different mediums (LotR, prior BG games, etc).

I hate that they also gave everyone else on the entirety of Faerun that same accent, making Goblins significantly less audibly unique.


Most of them sound quite 'common', from the ones I spoke to.
Posted By: Isaac Springsong Re: Goblins are too cute - 19/10/20 09:12 PM
Originally Posted by Tuco
For some reason people keep talking as if the British accents in the game were some sort of "posh stylistic choice" and not the consequence of, you know, a British studio (well, several of them actually) doing all the voice acting.

P.S. The goblins are absolutely perfect.


Except, you know, voice actors can do different voices. The guy who voices Astarion literally did a Russian accent for a recent Resident Evil game. The use of all British accents in the game was a conscious choice, not due to mechanical limitations.
Posted By: Tuco Re: Goblins are too cute - 19/10/20 09:23 PM
Originally Posted by Isaac Springsong

Except, you know, voice actors can do different voices. The guy who voices Astarion literally did a Russian accent for a recent Resident Evil game. The use of all British accents in the game was a conscious choice, not due to mechanical limitations.

I never talked of "limitations", but since their native British accent while speaking English is as much a good fit as it gets for a medieval setting, there was not particular reason to go for anything different, either.
Posted By: Kou The Mad Re: Goblins are too cute - 19/10/20 10:17 PM
I love them.
I want to play as one myself.
Posted By: OneManArmy Re: Goblins are too cute - 19/10/20 10:18 PM
#GoblinsArePeopleToo
https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=702272#Post702272
Posted By: override367 Re: Goblins are too cute - 19/10/20 10:26 PM
Originally Posted by sinogy
Goblin models are too cute, clean and even stylish to be goblins. It totally breaks the game's immersion.

They are telling distusting and awful things as it hould be in a DnD game but their models and expressions are too cute and catoonish which does not fit with rest of the game's style.

They should be uglier, more dirty and more irritating. However, they just look like World of Warcraft goblins!!! Unfortuately, this applies most of the other creatures. Humanoid characters are insanely detailed and very realistic but monsters and creatures are too cartoonish.

the goblins look almost exactly like how they do in the monster manual
Posted By: FatePeddler Re: Goblins are too cute - 19/10/20 11:10 PM
They are fun to kill up.
Posted By: nizanegusa Re: Goblins are too cute - 20/10/20 12:33 AM
i don't know how your dnd game "should" be but the only time i played with goblins in pnp i was DM and my goblins were cute and neutral good.
because dnd can be how you want it to be. laugh
Posted By: Sunfly Re: Goblins are too cute - 20/10/20 02:31 AM
Goblin romance when?
Posted By: Kou The Mad Re: Goblins are too cute - 20/10/20 06:28 AM
Dour Goblin Paladin when?
I want to roll a Dour Goblin Paladin who is just tired of all these shenanigans, but good aligned nonetheless.
Posted By: Aurgelmir Re: Goblins are too cute - 20/10/20 07:25 AM
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That's the official art for DnD Goblins. I think BG3s goblins fit the bill.

As for the British accents. I don't mind, honestly to me "Green Skins" talk with working class British accents, because I have played so much Warhammer. (Orks and Gretchins speak Cockney)
Posted By: Stray952 Re: Goblins are too cute - 20/10/20 07:44 AM
Nah dog they look like little toys, wearing cubone skulls for helmets and armor made from stuff they found.

Idk when they’re going to figure it out.

This. Game. Is .Over. Stylized.

If you play it for 40 hours you get used to it, but every new person and reviewer says ‘wait, why does everyone’s face look perfect, why is everything so nice, why are the Cleric, the Ranger, and that NPC all wearing identical armor hat looks fresh from the gap?”

PS are some of you blind or just deliberately argumentative. Enough people have mentioned that the ultra-high fantasy aesthetic is jarring now, everything’s too clean and cute, that we’re not all imagining it.

How can someone look at Lea’Zhal’s armor, then hear another person say ‘that looks too pristine’ or ‘that looks like late game armor’ and vehemently take the other side of that argument.

Goblins in game look like goblins in that drawing in so far as them being small and green.
Posted By: Slapstick Re: Goblins are too cute - 20/10/20 07:49 AM
I really liked the goblin models. It seems like something that could actually exist. I think they nailed their inherent evilness without making it far too unpleasant.
Posted By: sinogy Re: Goblins are too cute - 20/10/20 07:58 AM
Originally Posted by override367
Originally Posted by sinogy
Goblin models are too cute, clean and even stylish to be goblins. It totally breaks the game's immersion.

They are telling distusting and awful things as it hould be in a DnD game but their models and expressions are too cute and catoonish which does not fit with rest of the game's style.

They should be uglier, more dirty and more irritating. However, they just look like World of Warcraft goblins!!! Unfortuately, this applies most of the other creatures. Humanoid characters are insanely detailed and very realistic but monsters and creatures are too cartoonish.

the goblins look almost exactly like how they do in the monster manual




No They don't. https://www.deviantart.com/almega-3/art/Goblin-604236620

They exactly look like WoW goblins.
Posted By: sinogy Re: Goblins are too cute - 20/10/20 08:03 AM
Originally Posted by Aurgelmir
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That's the official art for DnD Goblins. I think BG3s goblins fit the bill.

As for the British accents. I don't mind, honestly to me "Green Skins" talk with working class British accents, because I have played so much Warhammer. (Orks and Gretchins speak Cockney)



How does BG3 goblins fit the bill with their large top part of their skulls and night-club style hairs? Especially female goblins look horribly cute.
Posted By: Aurgelmir Re: Goblins are too cute - 20/10/20 08:07 AM
Originally Posted by sinogy
Originally Posted by override367
Originally Posted by sinogy
Goblin models are too cute, clean and even stylish to be goblins. It totally breaks the game's immersion.

They are telling distusting and awful things as it hould be in a DnD game but their models and expressions are too cute and catoonish which does not fit with rest of the game's style.

They should be uglier, more dirty and more irritating. However, they just look like World of Warcraft goblins!!! Unfortuately, this applies most of the other creatures. Humanoid characters are insanely detailed and very realistic but monsters and creatures are too cartoonish.

the goblins look almost exactly like how they do in the monster manual




No They don't. https://www.deviantart.com/almega-3/art/Goblin-604236620

They exactly look like WoW goblins.




At least link to a 5e monster manual entry when you complain, or scroll up to see the actual Goblins from MM5e. They look very similar.


As to people complaining about sytlized looks. I for one am happy that most people are pretty. So many games these days take turns jumping down the ugly tree trying to see who hit's the most branches.
The armor and such I suspect is due to this being early access so they have a very limited number of armors ready to go for a MVP.
I'd love for more diversity in clothing, for sure. But it also makes some sense that the Tieflings have similar looking gear, as they are from the same city, and I assume most cultures would develop similar looking armor.
I have found Drow Studded Leather, that looked very different for instance. And I assume as the game develops that we'll see more of "what you took off the enemy is what you equip" looks to things.

Posted By: 1varangian Re: Goblins are too cute - 20/10/20 08:23 AM
I get it that when they start getting attitudes and trendy hair styles we lose the monsters that are ok to kill because they are vile and horrible. Sazza is a person, not a monster. It's a bit of a game changer.

I would prefer more monstrous goblins that wouldn't even speak common but only their own language. That would make their leaders stand out when they start speaking to you in common.
Posted By: Kou The Mad Re: Goblins are too cute - 20/10/20 08:59 AM
I just want them to be playable.
Posted By: Abits Re: Goblins are too cute - 20/10/20 09:02 AM
hot elf, hot elf... why not hot goblin?
Originally Posted by Kou The Mad
I just want them to be playable.

already possible. google goblin mod
Posted By: Kou The Mad Re: Goblins are too cute - 20/10/20 12:35 PM
I am literally going to wait for the console release.
Can't do mods for Consoles.
Posted By: Tuco Re: Goblins are too cute - 20/10/20 12:53 PM
Originally Posted by sinogy
[quote=override367]
No They don't. https://www.deviantart.com/almega-3/art/Goblin-604236620

They exactly look like WoW goblins.

You have either an eyesight problem or didn't play WoW in a goddamn long time.
Posted By: Orbax Re: Goblins are too cute - 20/10/20 04:09 PM
Trying to convince each other if something is cute or not? Are you serious? Here, let me define all of your tastes and preferences for you. *waves wand* do you all find the same food delicious now too? Good it worked!

There are 2 types: the MM someone linked already which these are based off of, and the green ones with pointy ears that are more upright and have thin lips and spiky teeth that are prior edition MM. Go back another edition and they look like smurfs. Thats it, those are the two unless you want to just say even though they said 5e, I want to use prior edition material? OP wants the green ones. Neat. The reasoning given: they look too cute while eating dwarf flesh, torturing prisoners, pissing in the open, and passed out drunk. Dont like accessories? Here Volos guide to monsters:

d20 Status Symbol
1 Earrings and notches in an ear
2 Rib bones tied into hair
3 A belt made from raccoon pelts
4 A gnome’s boot used as a hat
5 A pouch of toenail clippings from an allied ogre
6 A frog kept in a jar
7 Fragile helmets made from axebeak eggs
8 Nose rings
9 Painted or stained hands
10 Bugs kept in a bag for snacking
11 War cry tattooed on chest
12 Shields made from Ankheg chitin
13 Bracelet made of pieces of goblins turned to stone
14 Special breed of rat kept as pet
15 Teeth pulled out in certain places
16 Owlbear-feather cloaks
17 Scars from lashings
18 Orc-tusk lip piercings
19 Umbrellas made from dead darkmantles
20 Cloaks made of scraps from an elven tapestry

Its 5e, those are the 5e goblins. Recent source such as GGTR has different, this isn't GGTR, ERLW, EGTW, or anything else. Its 5e. If you can provide 5e MM source material and then show these goblins, and then point out the difference, go for it! Otherwise all thats been said is "this is 5e exactly, but I dont like it." Tough.



Posted By: Stray952 Re: Goblins are too cute - 20/10/20 04:15 PM
Originally Posted by Ol Blue Hat
So far, the Gobbs have been the most varied thing I've encountered and I think they're fine enough.
Kill em one moment, talk to em the next. They look scrappy while still feeling less threatening on their own.
I'll say it now, I wouldn't mind a goblin companion after seeing Larian's take on them.

I think that disconnect between the graphic styling is intentional - some of these creatures aren't supposed to be natural afterall.


Yeah man that’s the fucking problem.

If they were created correctly everyone wouldn’t emotionally respond to them like they’re Ewoks.

Sazza shouldn’t be pushing outer most edges of fuckable, if you were drunk stranded and no one would ever know.

The whole point of ‘goblins as people’ theme is that you’re supposed to identify with them even though they’re wretched. That’s what makes you a good person.

Right now you have a perfectly symmetrical person in popped-collar armor with horns telling you they’re going to kill a little green person with punk rock hair. They’re the same. They’re both overstylized, so they are equivalent distance from me and what we call ‘human.’ So when the tiefling says it’s just a monster, it’s observably untrue, or at least no more true for the goblin than the tiefling. Zero nuance or conflict here.

So once again, like in every aspect of this game, overly high fantasy aesthetic undermines story, character development basically everything else in the game.
Posted By: Kou The Mad Re: Goblins are too cute - 20/10/20 10:26 PM
There's a Goblin Slayer Joke in there somewhere.
Probably Goblin Slayer Abridged.

.......
Still want to play one though.
Posted By: Sadurian Re: Goblins are too cute - 20/10/20 10:29 PM
Goblins, half-orcs, githyanki.... some of you guys have waaay too low standards.
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Posted By: Baraz Re: Goblins are too cute - 20/10/20 11:32 PM
What I do find immersive is there is a lot of variation in visuals between Goblins : it makes them feel more real. Some do look a bit gross (not as much as the OP would want), while others look more cute.

Still some of the most striking Goblins seen in video games in my opinion ! Congrats to the artists who made them (from concept to modelling to implementation).

The Gnolls also look awesome !
Posted By: Xarico Re: Goblins are too cute - 21/10/20 05:02 AM
In my opinion, they look and sound awesome. Yes, they could maybe be described as "cute," but, since they mostly behave like cruel and selfish cowards, I find their appearance disgusting and enraging rather than endearing.
Making "evil" species/races ugly is about the cheapest design choice one can possibly make.
Posted By: JDCrenton Re: Goblins are too cute - 21/10/20 05:07 AM
Originally Posted by 1varangian
I get it that when they start getting attitudes and trendy hair styles we lose the monsters that are ok to kill because they are vile and horrible. Sazza is a person, not a monster. It's a bit of a game changer.


"Grins in Murderhobo"

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Posted By: Kou The Mad Re: Goblins are too cute - 21/10/20 05:46 AM
That image is horrifying.
Posted By: Demoulius Re: Goblins are too cute - 21/10/20 07:05 AM
Honestly wasent really bothered by them. They dident really come across as cute to me....

Specially when they are talking about all the nasty shit that they have been up, are scamming you out your money, are literally roasting a dwarf in their camp and 1 of the kids killed one of the adventurers that had the misfortune of running into their camp.

Yeah, very cute allright xD
Posted By: ascet Re: Goblins are too cute - 21/10/20 07:38 AM
I think there could be a quick & simple solution to the "cuteness" issue: just add grit (but not in an exaggerated manner).

Make armor and clothes less shiny, add rust, dust and (blood?) stains on it.
Add scars, dirt and occasional acne to their skin.

That should be enough to appease both camps, as it will look pretty but gritty and believable, considering goblins' lifestyle.
Posted By: RagnarokCzD Re: Goblins are too cute - 21/10/20 08:14 PM
Honestly i like Goblins models so much so i wish they are playable. :-/
But i guess that will be a little too much sadly. frown
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