So I said I'd help her. I went to the group on the hill and they told me that she did all these horrible things. I went back to her and there is no option to basically have her explain her side of the story after what they told me. I only have the option to basically kill her or go back and kill them.

Feels weird like she needs to explain wtf they are talking about because their story was pretty wild and she said nothing about her mass murdering ways.

Edit: also I don't exactly want to wipe them out since they have a Trader there and I'd like to keep her around.

There are some clues. Difficult to find. If you have the spell to talk to the dead, might help. As well, the books you can find in the villa are not exactly what you would expect from a paladin of tyr retinue.

This is one of the loveliest points of Early Access for me. While I agree, there could be more options, I think she's said all she had to say. You either believe her or not. That being said, there is a way to find out more about the story there but it's not a very obvious one. I could tell you if you want, I am sure plenty of people here could, but won't presume you don't want to try out things yourself.

Ah gotcha - yeah I will hold off and move on to see if I run in to more info on that story line.

thanks!

No, no. Stick around those areas. But think a bit differently. Previous poster suggested a pretty direct course of action if you want more direction.

Ah - cool I might as well put that Amulet of Lost Voices to use now heh.

another one for the list of Larian's shity quest design

Well, what I found weird about that quest is, if you slaughter the paladins... Wyll approves?! Like wot m8? Aren't you supposed to be the heroic one? Demon/devil hater? Why suddenly he feels kinship with a supposed 'mass murderer' is beyond me.

I thought they are lying and are not really paladins of tyr

well, the paladins are not exactly paladins. So I guess he approves you choosing the right side. Unless of course, you want to side with the archdevil Zariel.

Well I guess the question is how should he know.

Anyway, the current form of this quest is a bit rough, but I think there are also some good merits to it.
Like the fact that even when you decide to confront the paladins about their identity you get a convincing argument from their leader to stick to their side anyway (which I didn't, but still...).

I didn't get that. They kept claiming they are good.

They actually are real paladins of Tyr..

I didn't get any of this from my playthrough.. how did you find it out?

If you use the speak to the dead spell on the dead corpse inside the house, you understand they are not the good guys in the story. But it's not straightforward. I even posted something about it before some players pointed out a way to know more about what's going on.

When I confronted them the wizard woman said something like ""Close the door, don't let them leave alive!" but their leader stopped her and kept arguing for his cause. He said he is indeed a former Paladin, a fallen one, and that he's forced by unfortunate circumstances to serve hell as a bounty hunter for fugitives etc.
He also still argued that the tiefling was nasty and a danger to everyone and that stopping her was for the greater good.
And when I refused he seemed more sad than angry that an agreement was not reached.

I found it a genuinely nice touch, because even after picking my side and proving them impostors he still made me second guess my decision.

I did cast it on several of the dead bodies but got nothing conclusive. One of them even said it was gnolls who killed him, which fits the version the paladins tell me

if you ask the dead guy how they managed to take so many gnolls he says "the pact", to which you can respond "you made a pact with a devil?", and he says "zariel".

Then you can confront the quest giver about it.

So there's a lot he says that's true but he isn't giving the whole story. They were attacked by gnolls, but it's not necessarily true that it was at the behest of Karlach. She is a fiend, but isn't necessarily killing innocents. He does have a paladin sword that he'll give you. He is a follower of Tyr (or at least, used to be), but the reason they're wanting to kill Karlach is because they made a pact with a devil out after not getting their prayers answered by their god and the devil wants her former employee returned to her in exchange for getting out of the pact.

If anything, Wyll should probably sympathize with these guys and he's kind of in the same boat.

I see, interesting.

Yeah so I got through the dialogue where he comes clean on making a pact with the devil and such. I also raided the basement, and wow for players that take issue with having to click on an insane amount of stuff (1/2 of which was empty), wait till they see that basement lol.

I didn't kill anyone yet. I like the Trader so I guess she is the reason they are all still alive.

I have another question about this quest: when you talk to the main paladin, do you get a cutscene, or stay in the worldmap with dialogue boubles above the characters' heads?

The latter. It's pretty clear that the upclose of the paladin talking is still meant to be a work in progress.

Yeah this quest also comes kinda late in the ea so I suppose it is still work in progress

If you have a cleric of Tyr in your party (which I had in one of my playthroughs) he will immediately confront the paladins and call them out on their BS.

Ah this is a nice touch 😊

Heh I noticed that and thought: hey maybe that's how it should be for most dialogue! Off topic but yeah I mean I like the cuscenes in that I appreciate what Larian is trying to do here but they really need to fine tune them because almost all of them tend to look goofy. I would almost rather just have old school dialogue like what we have here. It seems like an insane amount of effort to have worked that into the game; effort I wish they spent elsewhere like... oh.. making the damn water falls actually look good lol. Like the whole world is beautiful and the actual water and rivers are nice, but the waterfalls? Wow they look bad.

I actually think it's a great idea to keep most of the dialogue like this, and dedicate more time for cutscenes where it's needed. You don't need a cutscene for every random NPc. Even in dragon age not every NPC gives you cutscene

The corpse near the trader