Rogue feedback from a 5e expert - 20/10/20 05:04 PM
I actually have so much feedback that i could probably fill a few pages so i thought i'd start with one of the more egregious examples that i haven't seen feedback on yet: the rogue
rogues in 5e are known to be quite strong before lvl 5 and strongly fall of from there. good this game doesn't go beyond 4th level because they got nerfed into the ground.
first level they get:
sneak attack.
which should apply automatically as long as it's conditions apply. now that it is a specific action it doesnt apply on offhand attacks which it should! incidentally offhand attacks don't get your ability modifier to hit. probably a bug but this would also nerf sneak attack. additionally opportunity attacks should apply sneak attack which they do not; another nerf.
expertise
that's right! what would rogues be without expertise? double proficiency bonus to two skills of your choice! oh there is no expertise? really. why?
second level:
cunning action
this defines the play-style of rogues in 5e. dash, disengage and hide as a bonus action. oh right everybody can do this now. silly me!
third level:
your sneak attack gets better! this is how your damage scales as a rogue! even though it scales poorly it makes a big difference. but it doesn't in this game. it doesn't get better.
subclasses
arcane trickster! you get an improved mage hand and two other cantrips! (you don't get mage hand you have to chose it) really strong because you can choose booming blade and such! (no you can't)
or thief were you get really good at climbing. jk! you "master the art of falling" no joke that's what it says. wtf.
and you can use items with your bonus action! o wait everybody can do that too. just give him two bonus actions. there fixed.(actually not that bad of a fix though)
as you can see, it's not just nerfs that rub me the wrong way. it's also the loss of flavour. expertise and cunning action are defining traits of rogues. at least they could be.
rogues don't actually feel that weak right now because, as i said, they are really good before level 5. but at 5th level pretty much everyone's power level doubles and rogues get like 25% better. that'd be a problem.
look forward to next episode where i will talk about spells!
rogues in 5e are known to be quite strong before lvl 5 and strongly fall of from there. good this game doesn't go beyond 4th level because they got nerfed into the ground.
first level they get:
sneak attack.
which should apply automatically as long as it's conditions apply. now that it is a specific action it doesnt apply on offhand attacks which it should! incidentally offhand attacks don't get your ability modifier to hit. probably a bug but this would also nerf sneak attack. additionally opportunity attacks should apply sneak attack which they do not; another nerf.
expertise
that's right! what would rogues be without expertise? double proficiency bonus to two skills of your choice! oh there is no expertise? really. why?
second level:
cunning action
this defines the play-style of rogues in 5e. dash, disengage and hide as a bonus action. oh right everybody can do this now. silly me!
third level:
your sneak attack gets better! this is how your damage scales as a rogue! even though it scales poorly it makes a big difference. but it doesn't in this game. it doesn't get better.
subclasses
arcane trickster! you get an improved mage hand and two other cantrips! (you don't get mage hand you have to chose it) really strong because you can choose booming blade and such! (no you can't)
or thief were you get really good at climbing. jk! you "master the art of falling" no joke that's what it says. wtf.
and you can use items with your bonus action! o wait everybody can do that too. just give him two bonus actions. there fixed.(actually not that bad of a fix though)
as you can see, it's not just nerfs that rub me the wrong way. it's also the loss of flavour. expertise and cunning action are defining traits of rogues. at least they could be.
rogues don't actually feel that weak right now because, as i said, they are really good before level 5. but at 5th level pretty much everyone's power level doubles and rogues get like 25% better. that'd be a problem.
look forward to next episode where i will talk about spells!