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Heya, Larian forums. According to Larian's romance data, it claims that 1.37% of players decided not to romance any companions.I am part of that statistic. And in my case, as well as presumably a few others, this was because most of them wanted to get down & dirty with my PC. I, and I'm guessing a not-too-insignificant amount of players are uninterested in that kind of activity with our video game companions. However, I still really like the companions, and find them some of the best parts of the game. I would really like to have an option to talk with party members like Astarion and Lae'zel without having to... you know. I would find that much more satisfying than what is currently implemented.
see I don't like the current companions, so I when and slept with a non-companions one, Minthara. according to the interview, that's what the majority of people did.
I'm also part of that stat... But because I don't want to sleep with Gale... The only one that allow me to come in his bed.

I'm not evil enough for Shadowheart wink
I really want to know what exactly their criteria for determining whether or not a player decided to romance a companion, because I think those ~98% sound suspiciously high.
If we disregard that romancing them is something that happens towards the end of the early access campaign it already means a great number of players are removed from the equation because they haven't reached that part of the game.
Then there's the fact that half of the companions are ready to pounce on you at a minute's notice. You don't even have to seek some of them out; they'll be the ones asking you.

I have a feeling that the 98% just are the amount of players who outright were presented with the offer in an accept/decline format and chose to take up the offer. In reality it's probably a way smaller percentage of the players who chose to go with that specific route.
It's pretty hard NOT to romance considering they are all Bi-curious and horny af. The 1.37% must have just gone to bed.
It's presumably an EA thing though right, because I cannot imagine that when all of the Origin characters are in the game that you will have X companions all lusting after you simultaneously. Where's the option to simply have meaningful friendships (not to say they couldn't blossom if you choose) and swig some wine away from the overly lustful camp? Not all companions should hit on you at the same time, that or they should bloody well all get over themselves and be up for an orgy.

But yeah, EA surely? to test which relationships we were interested in character wise perhaps?
Originally Posted by Bukke
I really want to know what exactly their criteria for determining whether or not a player decided to romance a companion, because I think those ~98% sound suspiciously high.
If we disregard that romancing them is something that happens towards the end of the early access campaign it already means a great number of players are removed from the equation because they haven't reached that part of the game.
Then there's the fact that half of the companions are ready to pounce on you at a minute's notice. You don't even have to seek some of them out; they'll be the ones asking you.

I have a feeling that the 98% just are the amount of players who outright were presented with the offer in an accept/decline format and chose to take up the offer. In reality it's probably a way smaller percentage of the players who chose to go with that specific route.


Yeah, seems weird to me as well. I'd expect the majority to engange in romance, but not 98-99%.
Originally Posted by Riandor
Where's the option to simply have meaningful friendships


I fear "good relationship" will be equated to "let's fuck". Which I'd hate, because I'd like to end up with a party of friends, camaraderie and all that. Not a teen drama "I can't believe X looked at you that way" or "but why don't you love me".
Originally Posted by Riandor
It's presumably an EA thing though right, because I cannot imagine that when all of the Origin characters are in the game that you will have X companions all lusting after you simultaneously. Where's the option to simply have meaningful friendships (not to say they couldn't blossom if you choose) and swig some wine away from the overly lustful camp? Not all companions should hit on you at the same time, that or they should bloody well all get over themselves and be up for an orgy.

But yeah, EA surely? to test which relationships we were interested in character wise perhaps?

I think the end-of-act-1 celebration romances are going to remain in the game.
When I first found out that you it was accessible this early into the game I was a bit surprised since I normally associate RPG romances with something that happens way deeper into the game, often as a culmination of a NPC's associated storyline once you have a chance to actually get to know them.
Romances are, for reasons I'm not sure I'll ever understand, often one of the more popular aspects of RPGs (as is evident if you take a look at various fansites dedicated to the games, BG3's community hubs included) and I think the decision to have them available this early was done consciously to satisfy these players. The fact that Larian straight up made a dev blog about how the game was going to have animated sex scenes seems to further support this.

I wouldn't be surprised if the options currently available to the player are used to gather feedback and data such as which NPCs the players seem to like the most, but I don't think the early access romances are included solely for this. I think they're here to stay, but whether or not the relationships you form with the NPCs will evolve further remains to be seen.
Originally Posted by Bukke
Originally Posted by Riandor
It's presumably an EA thing though right, because I cannot imagine that when all of the Origin characters are in the game that you will have X companions all lusting after you simultaneously. Where's the option to simply have meaningful friendships (not to say they couldn't blossom if you choose) and swig some wine away from the overly lustful camp? Not all companions should hit on you at the same time, that or they should bloody well all get over themselves and be up for an orgy.

But yeah, EA surely? to test which relationships we were interested in character wise perhaps?

I think the end-of-act-1 celebration romances are going to remain in the game.
When I first found out that you it was accessible this early into the game I was a bit surprised since I normally associate RPG romances with something that happens way deeper into the game, often as a culmination of a NPC's associated storyline once you have a chance to actually get to know them.
Romances are, for reasons I'm not sure I'll ever understand, often one of the more popular aspects of RPGs (as is evident if you take a look at various fansites dedicated to the games, BG3's community hubs included) and I think the decision to have them available this early was done consciously to satisfy these players. The fact that Larian straight up made a dev blog about how the game was going to have animated sex scenes seems to further support this.

I wouldn't be surprised if the options currently available to the player are used to gather feedback and data such as which NPCs the players seem to like the most, but I don't think the early access romances are included solely for this. I think they're here to stay, but whether or not the relationships you form with the NPCs will evolve further remains to be seen.



its ez , Sex sell, some people can't admit it, they bought the game when they saw community update about romance , and not because it was BG3 or a Dnd game or made by larian, but because of the sex in the game.

I mean the 1.37% are just the frigid/Girl Scout/goody-two-shoes/ A GOODY-GOODY..?

it seam normal to me.. that the other 98 % like sex.


Originally Posted by Bukke
Originally Posted by Riandor
It's presumably an EA thing though right, because I cannot imagine that when all of the Origin characters are in the game that you will have X companions all lusting after you simultaneously. Where's the option to simply have meaningful friendships (not to say they couldn't blossom if you choose) and swig some wine away from the overly lustful camp? Not all companions should hit on you at the same time, that or they should bloody well all get over themselves and be up for an orgy.

But yeah, EA surely? to test which relationships we were interested in character wise perhaps?

I think the end-of-act-1 celebration romances are going to remain in the game.
When I first found out that you it was accessible this early into the game I was a bit surprised since I normally associate RPG romances with something that happens way deeper into the game, often as a culmination of a NPC's associated storyline once you have a chance to actually get to know them.
Romances are, for reasons I'm not sure I'll ever understand, often one of the more popular aspects of RPGs (as is evident if you take a look at various fansites dedicated to the games, BG3's community hubs included) and I think the decision to have them available this early was done consciously to satisfy these players. The fact that Larian straight up made a dev blog about how the game was going to have animated sex scenes seems to further support this.

I wouldn't be surprised if the options currently available to the player are used to gather feedback and data such as which NPCs the players seem to like the most, but I don't think the early access romances are included solely for this. I think they're here to stay, but whether or not the relationships you form with the NPCs will evolve further remains to be seen.

I don't mind being able to hit on anything with a pulse at the party and I am certainly no prude, it just feels off that everyone instantly hits on you at the party in the initial conversation and I would personally like to see that ammended slightly come 1.0
Originally Posted by Riandor
Originally Posted by Bukke
Originally Posted by Riandor
It's presumably an EA thing though right, because I cannot imagine that when all of the Origin characters are in the game that you will have X companions all lusting after you simultaneously. Where's the option to simply have meaningful friendships (not to say they couldn't blossom if you choose) and swig some wine away from the overly lustful camp? Not all companions should hit on you at the same time, that or they should bloody well all get over themselves and be up for an orgy.

But yeah, EA surely? to test which relationships we were interested in character wise perhaps?

I think the end-of-act-1 celebration romances are going to remain in the game.
When I first found out that you it was accessible this early into the game I was a bit surprised since I normally associate RPG romances with something that happens way deeper into the game, often as a culmination of a NPC's associated storyline once you have a chance to actually get to know them.
Romances are, for reasons I'm not sure I'll ever understand, often one of the more popular aspects of RPGs (as is evident if you take a look at various fansites dedicated to the games, BG3's community hubs included) and I think the decision to have them available this early was done consciously to satisfy these players. The fact that Larian straight up made a dev blog about how the game was going to have animated sex scenes seems to further support this.

I wouldn't be surprised if the options currently available to the player are used to gather feedback and data such as which NPCs the players seem to like the most, but I don't think the early access romances are included solely for this. I think they're here to stay, but whether or not the relationships you form with the NPCs will evolve further remains to be seen.

I don't mind being able to hit on anything with a pulse at the party and I am certainly no prude, it just feels off that everyone instantly hits on you at the party in the initial conversation and I would personally like to see that ammended slightly come 1.0

That's more or less how I view it as well. I'm indifferent towards romances and sort of just accept them as being one of the features people 'expect' to be present in RPGs.
I just think it's odd that they are accessible this early into the game.
This is exactly my point. I want friends,please.
Originally Posted by Maximuuus
I'm not evil enough for Shadowheart wink

I'm getting a bit of a vibe of "not actually evil, just fell in with a bad crowd" sort of thing.
Originally Posted by Bukke
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That's more or less how I view it as well. I'm indifferent towards romances and sort of just accept them as being one of the features people 'expect' to be present in RPGs.
I just think it's odd that they are accessible this early into the game.


Maybe they want deliver some more "realistic" ones, I mean in most games culminative (sex/kiss/whatever) point is somewhere at the end. It makes relationships quite short. People used to have waiting.
Originally Posted by Verte
Originally Posted by Bukke
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That's more or less how I view it as well. I'm indifferent towards romances and sort of just accept them as being one of the features people 'expect' to be present in RPGs.
I just think it's odd that they are accessible this early into the game.


Maybe they want deliver some more "realistic" ones, I mean in most games culminative (sex/kiss/whatever) point is somewhere at the end. It makes relationships quite short. People used to have waiting.

Possibly. If our relationships with the characters we've chosen continue to evolve beyond just being platonic then I'm all for it.
They've made a few claims on people's predilections that are bothersome. "People are doing it, therefore that is what they want.". Something to consider: This is EA, people are testing all possible options as they look for bugs, narrative inconsistencies, and see how many people have sex scenes. After having done a playthrough on each companion romance, I don't do it anymore because I don't care and it isn't interesting. From what I have seen from people doing Data Mining and the many other mods, bug finders, game breakers, and host of other activities that are purely QA testing mechanics I think its an alarming mentality to have to have. Its why their continual referencing of their in-game analytics engine is a joke. I do business intelligence for a living, data is useless - information is important and the number of times you can lift stories out of numbers without some kind of narrative framework in place is low and people who do so often fail.

Ex: Web developers looking at website sales. "Hey, people always go to our Mission & Charity page before going to check out. This whole charity thing is a huge hit, lets beef that page up and start marketing around it!"

Real reason: Their cart checkout button is broken and the only link to the cart that works is from the Mission & Charity page and their users have figured that out.

From what I can tell, they are recklessly using their data.
Originally Posted by vometia
Originally Posted by Maximuuus
I'm not evil enough for Shadowheart wink

I'm getting a bit of a vibe of "not actually evil, just fell in with a bad crowd" sort of thing.


I was very disappointed after we has slaughtered the whole enclave and I caught her red handed having feelings of an almost human nature and having a bad conscience over the whole murder of innocents and all that. This will not do!
Originally Posted by Orbax
They've made a few claims on people's predilections that are bothersome. "People are doing it, therefore that is what they want.". Something to consider: This is EA, people are testing all possible options as they look for bugs, narrative inconsistencies, and see how many people have sex scenes. After having done a playthrough on each companion romance, I don't do it anymore because I don't care and it isn't interesting. From what I have seen from people doing Data Mining and the many other mods, bug finders, game breakers, and host of other activities that are purely QA testing mechanics I think its an alarming mentality to have to have. Its why their continual referencing of their in-game analytics engine is a joke. I do business intelligence for a living, data is useless - information is important and the number of times you can lift stories out of numbers without some kind of narrative framework in place is low and people who do so often fail.

Ex: Web developers looking at website sales. "Hey, people always go to our Mission & Charity page before going to check out. This whole charity thing is a huge hit, lets beef that page up and start marketing around it!"

Real reason: Their cart checkout button is broken and the only link to the cart that works is from the Mission & Charity page and their users have figured that out.

From what I can tell, they are recklessly using their data.


From another business intelligence worker, you’ve nailed it Orbax.
I’ve said that in another post, in-game data analysis measures the user response to a given temperature/pressure condition. This data is completely counter productive and finds it niche in the meme guy universe.
Originally Posted by Verte
Originally Posted by Bukke
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That's more or less how I view it as well. I'm indifferent towards romances and sort of just accept them as being one of the features people 'expect' to be present in RPGs.
I just think it's odd that they are accessible this early into the game.


Maybe they want deliver some more "realistic" ones, I mean in most games culminative (sex/kiss/whatever) point is somewhere at the end. It makes relationships quite short. People used to have waiting.


I was gonna say that then i thought about it and was surprised to find that no, not really. Of the games that i can think of only the Mass Effect trilogy handled romance like that. In DA:Origins they all start way before the endgame, same for 2 and Inquisition. Also Witcher, Andromeda and even BG2 itself(not 100% about the latter).

I think what's off is the presentation. Like, a feast in the middle of Act 1 after accomplishing a pretty easy task that culminates with the companions standing in line and having to pick one to have sex with. Then Halsin being all 'yo bro' and shit. It's all very awkward.
Originally Posted by Dexai
I was very disappointed after we has slaughtered the whole enclave and I caught her red handed having feelings of an almost human nature and having a bad conscience over the whole murder of innocents and all that. This will not do!

Her schoolmaster knew she'd come to no good and could have flayed her into shape, but the bleeding hearts and artists let get away with joining Shar. Has she broken any villages up lately?
Originally Posted by vometia
Originally Posted by Dexai
I was very disappointed after we has slaughtered the whole enclave and I caught her red handed having feelings of an almost human nature and having a bad conscience over the whole murder of innocents and all that. This will not do!

Her schoolmaster knew she'd come to no good and could have flayed her into shape, but the bleeding hearts and artists let get away with joining Shar. Has she broken any villages up lately?

I love you
Originally Posted by Abits
Originally Posted by vometia
Originally Posted by Dexai
I was very disappointed after we has slaughtered the whole enclave and I caught her red handed having feelings of an almost human nature and having a bad conscience over the whole murder of innocents and all that. This will not do!

Her schoolmaster knew she'd come to no good and could have flayed her into shape, but the bleeding hearts and artists let get away with joining Shar. Has she broken any villages up lately?

I love you

Seriously man, this the thread about not starting relationships!!!
;-)
The whole sex scene thing is kinda out of place imo. I Have not gotten so far as to butt f***ing any companions yet. But being the hot-blooded male that i am, watched a clip on youtube.
And i had a good laugh, i can tell you. lo and behold I saw some good ol' 69'ing in all it's glory taking place in the fantasy world of Faerûn.

What's out of place? Well, larians overall fairytale version of BG. Except for the violence and sex, the overall story and dialoges does not feel like it's targeting a mature audience.
It's very lighhearted and fairytale like imo.

I would compare it to Shrek getting pumped in the a**h*** by donkey while frantically j**rking himself off.
Now ask yourselves, do you really want to have Shrek getting pumped in the a**h*** by donkey while frantically j**rking himself off in your favorite CRPG?
Well, of course not. Even the idea of Shrek getting pumped in the a**h*** by donkey while frantically j**rking himself of is absurd.
Absolutely absurd.
I have yet to bother with romance in the game as I'm too busy testing mechanics and builds. I do know my first play through every single one of the companions wanted to hookup at the party but I refused them all because it felt unnatural and sudden (I didn't rest a lot on the first play through so I didn't learn very much of the backstories until my second run when I realized how camping works the storyline progression).

If I play a male character (typically what I play) my straight choices are shadowheart or lae'zel, and at that point I wouldn't pick the githyanki unless due to an RP standing of also being of the same race. On the other hand the male counter parts for gay male or female characters are more plentiful and varried...so I feel the straight male romances are currently limited to just shadowheart (companion specific, I didn't realize we could romance outside of our group). Based off of that I didn't want to fanboy chase the only eligible female for my character because it was forced and expected of me.
You're literally hanging out with them constantly throughout the whole game.

There will also be companion quests I imagine.
Originally Posted by Svalr
You're literally hanging out with them constantly throughout the whole game.

There will also be companion quests I imagine.

Fair, but I want to experience those chill scenes with them without having to dance the horizontal tango.
I'm part of the 1.37% . I didn't start a romance, cause I didn't sleep enough. I never had the dialogue options.
Astarion is the only one I'd let smash. Gale's too aloof and Wyll is too tortured and self-loathing. I won't be using any of the gumdrops-and-butterflies good companions, so snarky vampire it is I guess.
Originally Posted by Uncle Lester
Originally Posted by Riandor
Where's the option to simply have meaningful friendships


I fear "good relationship" will be equated to "let's fuck". Which I'd hate, because I'd like to end up with a party of friends, camaraderie and all that. Not a teen drama "I can't believe X looked at you that way" or "but why don't you love me".


+1
Originally Posted by Svalr
You're literally hanging out with them constantly throughout the whole game.

There will also be companion quests I imagine.


Low key there kind of are. I mean like in the Blighted Village some of the goblins know Wyll and have a little chat which leads you to figuring out his past and motivations elsewhere. I assume the same thing exists for Shadowheart but I have yet to uncover the little Shar resort or the black riders camp which I assume will proc further insights into her character. I have heard a lot of people reference her amnesia but I haven't been able to shake that conversation loose yet. It all feels a little obtuse, I think it is amusing it is easier to get into her pants than her past, but I have to admit that is true of some people. Especially the more damaged ones, though somehow I doubt that was anyone's thought over at Larian.
I don't see the reason for companions not ending in friendzone if we reject or simply not choose romantic dialogue options. There are only 2 of them who want bang us outright after battle. I had neutral (I guess, Astarion disapproved many of my decisions) with them and haven't choose any flirty dialogue. It's act 1A, at least 3 companions missing, many things can happen. Friendship is not locked, guys.
I'm for both for the expansive relationships and the beast with two backs. Sex is part of a relationships and sometimes part of friendships.

Also the leather bras need to go during the sehks scenes you don't need to be evil to have nipples.
Originally Posted by KillerRabbit
I'm for both for the expansive relationships and the beast with two backs. Sex is part of a relationships and sometimes part of friendships.

Also the leather bras need to go during the sehks scenes you don't need to be evil to have nipples.

I'd rather appreciate an option to keep them on, thank you. That's just me, but I don't really want to see that in my game.
Originally Posted by Verte
There are only 2 of them who want bang us outright after battle..


You only had two. I had an exclamation mark on Astarion who basically just said DTF and after negotiating my way out of that conversation I decided to see what anyone else wanted to talk about. I got nothing out of the assorted Teiflings, but Shadowheart invited me into the bushes for a drink, Gale let me know he was down for some light hearted buggery if I would change my mind on Shadowheart or even after I was done with her. Lez threatened to shank me for not shagging her instead if I remember correctly, while Wyl threatened to show me why he was really called the Blade of the Frontier. I half expected to find Astarion and Gale slipping me roofies and chest bumping each other over my comatose body while Wyll advised me to just "let it happen."

I am a little shocked the dog and the owl bear didn't invite me to join them in a tasteful threesome.
Rest less often and ignore the dog. Get to the party in two day -- you know, because you are about to sprout tentacles. Everyone will hate you. Astarian's rejection lines are hilarious.
I didn't rest for the first time until I got to the Underdark, and honestly I doubt I rested more than twice while I was down there. As for Astarion and Lez, my reputation with them was neutral and if I ever gained any approval from either one it was entirely on accident. My second play through I just decided to kill Astarion right off the bat for pulling a knife on me, so I will probably never see his rejection dialogue. I am trying to see if there is a way to keep the two Teiflings alive who die as a result of scripting (Kanon's sisiter Arta and the astrologist with the soul coin), so this run I am trying to finish everything without making camp at all, which I do not foresee being problematic in the least.
In my no love playthrough I started off by telling off Astarian when he pulled the knife and made it clear that a simple 'sorry' wouldn't suffice. I also agreed to help the grove and did most thins he disliked except tell auntie ethel about the tadpole.

"It's not you darling, it's me. *I* have standards."

I told LZ to stop intimidating the good folk of Faerun. She did think I was hawt but was still pissed that I didn't let her browbeat the commoners. Wyll was happy with me but in love with his tankard and SH found herself to be the most interesting person at the party.
Originally Posted by DistantStranger
Originally Posted by Verte
There are only 2 of them who want bang us outright after battle..


You only had two. I had an exclamation mark on Astarion who basically just said DTF and after negotiating my way out of that conversation I decided to see what anyone else wanted to talk about. I got nothing out of the assorted Teiflings, but Shadowheart invited me into the bushes for a drink, Gale let me know he was down for some light hearted buggery if I would change my mind on Shadowheart or even after I was done with her. Lez threatened to shank me for not shagging her instead if I remember correctly, while Wyl threatened to show me why he was really called the Blade of the Frontier. I half expected to find Astarion and Gale slipping me roofies and chest bumping each other over my comatose body while Wyll advised me to just "let it happen."

I am a little shocked the dog and the owl bear didn't invite me to join them in a tasteful threesome.


I had mark on Astarion, reloaded after he started talking about sex and went straight to SH, locked other romances. I kept distance from the start when talking with Gale, had no bang dialogues next night.
It is really easy to say no anyway. You could reject SH invitation or not kiss her after talkative night. ;-) Wonder what would happen if we agree on romantic night but choose to sleep alone afterwards. Potential trolling hmmmm
Oh and I let both Spike and the Windmill Golbins go. They surrendered and gave info. I also kept asking Wyll about the devil even after he clearly wanted to change the topic.

I don't mean to brag but I'm something an expert on deflecting attraction.
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