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Posted By: Yglika Will the protagonist speak? - 30/11/20 06:30 AM
Hi all.

This is both a question and a plea/suggestion.
Will - in the final release - the main protagonist speak? I know it is quite a lot of voice-acting but at least for me this is in fact quite important. I always hated in DA1, that (unlike to ME series for example) the main protagonist was mute.
Posted By: RagnarokCzD Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 30/11/20 09:07 AM
You need to be more specific im affraid ...
Since protagonist IS allready speaking. O_o
Posted By: Eldath Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 30/11/20 09:11 AM
Sadly he already does :'(
Posted By: Abits Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 30/11/20 09:11 AM
I assume he will. there have been many discussions about it and I realize that the unvoiced protagonist is very jarring for newer players, which I assume are the majority of players. I have no problem with it other than the fact it consumes a lot of resources, but if it will help bring more people into BG3 I think it might be worth it.
Posted By: A Clown Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 30/11/20 11:57 AM
I assumed it would be a bit like DOS2 where your character speaks on occasion but no full dialogue
Posted By: Uncle Lester Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 30/11/20 12:30 PM
It's not 100% clear, but it seems we'll be getting full protagonist voice acting. Unfortunately.
Posted By: Leuenherz Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 30/11/20 02:05 PM
The player character speaks a lot more often in multiplayer (when players can talk to each other ala DOS). So I assume voicing will be provided for singleplayer as well, eventually.
Posted By: Zarna Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 30/11/20 03:20 PM
Unfortunately they seem to be forcing this on us. Hopefully this can be an option only.
Posted By: JustAnotherBaldu Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 30/11/20 04:48 PM
I think the chosen maincharacter absolutely should speak every sentence in the final version.

Why? Because everyone else does. All those NPC's.
And of course the party-characters too sometimes as they bring themself in.

Don't forget that we are free to play the "partymembers" as maincharacter in the final version.
It would be absolutely awkward if they are more of a mute if played as main, as when they would be just a partymember.
Posted By: Eldath Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 30/11/20 05:24 PM
Originally Posted by JustAnotherBaldu
I think the chosen maincharacter absolutely should speak every sentence in the final version.

Why? Because everyone else does. All those NPC's.
And of course the party-characters too sometimes as they bring themself in.

Don't forget that we are free to play the "partymembers" as maincharacter in the final version.
It would be absolutely awkward if they are more of a mute if played as main, as when they would be just a partymember.

But it breaks immersion and forces a personality on me that I don't want. Give me the option for a silent protagonist, seriously. It costs NOTHING for Larian to give me this option.
Just imagine if we get to play a half-orc or a lizardfolk and they have this posh british accent. It's going to be so cringe.
Posted By: Kaybrie Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 30/11/20 07:23 PM
I'm glad that they are, and hope that it gets fully fleshed out by release.
Posted By: RagnarokCzD Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 30/11/20 08:01 PM
Originally Posted by Eldath
But it breaks immersion and forces a personality on me that I don't want. Give me the option for a silent protagonist, seriously. It costs NOTHING for Larian to give me this option.
Just imagine if we get to play a half-orc or a lizardfolk and they have this posh british accent. It's going to be so cringe.

+1

Also i dont see any reason for character to repeat every sentence you just choosed, since you should read it before you choose. :-/
Posted By: Nyloth Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 30/11/20 08:10 PM
Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Originally Posted by Eldath
But it breaks immersion and forces a personality on me that I don't want. Give me the option for a silent protagonist, seriously. It costs NOTHING for Larian to give me this option.
Just imagine if we get to play a half-orc or a lizardfolk and they have this posh british accent. It's going to be so cringe.

+1

Also i dont see any reason for character to repeat every sentence you just choosed, since you should read it before you choose. :-/



There is only one plus in this, perhaps voice version will be more detailed than short version that you have chosen. But this is also a minus LUL. because phrase can be completely different.
Posted By: JustAnotherBaldu Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 30/11/20 08:20 PM
Originally Posted by Eldath

But it breaks immersion and forces a personality on me that I don't want. Give me the option for a silent protagonist, seriously. It costs NOTHING for Larian to give me this option.
Just imagine if we get to play a half-orc or a lizardfolk and they have this posh british accent. It's going to be so cringe.


No trust in LarianStudios finding a good voice actor huh? grin
Oh well the silent option is easily implented I think.
Lets just hope the developers think of it.
I have reasons to belief sometimes a solution is SO GOD DAMN EASY that no one thinks of it.


But I have hope for a good human voice actor. And I don't care if my character says it, or if I say it in my mind.
Posted By: Uncle Lester Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 30/11/20 09:16 PM
Originally Posted by JustAnotherBaldu
No trust in LarianStudios finding a good voice actor huh? grin


You mean dozens of good voice actors? So every "archetype" has its voice. A gruff dwarf, a cheerful halfling, a barbaric half-orc... Otherwise, no matter how good the voice actor, the voice is going to be off for many characters. Not to mention you'd only have four voices total for however many characters you make... They're going to repeat a lot. Especially that the current voices are similar.

The solution I always propose is to add a whole bunch of voices that would only be used for voicebarks. So like the current voice-over. That on top of those four fully acted voices (if Larian indeed decides to go with full VA) and an option for completely silent protagonist.
Posted By: RagnarokCzD Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 30/11/20 09:39 PM
Originally Posted by Nyloth
There is only one plus in this, perhaps voice version will be more detailed than short version that you have chosen. But this is also a minus LUL. because phrase can be completely different.

Disagree ... that option is pure minus ... huge pure minus ... :-/

Originally Posted by JustAnotherBaldu
Oh well the silent option is easily implented I think.

Not sure about "easily" ... but certainly cheaper ...
If you only want to create two different voice flavours, you need to double price ... etc. etc.

And concidering how huge this project allready is, i bet they need to keep close eye on budget. :-/
Posted By: Iszaryn Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 30/11/20 10:24 PM
Not sure if I'm in the minority on this or not but I really like the idea of the Protagonist speaking out loud like Mass Effect for example. So I'd like to see the protagonist here speaking out loud in this game.
Posted By: Eldath Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 30/11/20 11:32 PM
Originally Posted by Iszaryn
Not sure if I'm in the minority on this or not but I really like the idea of the Protagonist speaking out loud like Mass Effect for example. So I'd like to see the protagonist here speaking out loud in this game.

I wish you were in the minority, but no, apparently everyone wants to copy Dragon Age and Mass Effect now...
Posted By: JustAnotherBaldu Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 01/12/20 02:57 AM
The thing is that we have lots of scenes, showing our character close up interacting.
If he is always silent... it looks kinda idiotic.
Really hope that this does not come to pass.

Especially since our character tends to show his feelings. What are we? Link? grin
Posted By: Yglika Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 01/12/20 04:56 AM
Well for me it is exactly opposite. It _immensely_ breaks my immersion if my character does _NOT_ speak his/her lines. I actually fail to even understand how it can break immersion for someone if he/she does but if yes - I agree they could simply give you an option to turn it off. Lucky for you, that's a lot easier solution, than what I need to be happy.
Posted By: Eldath Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 01/12/20 06:37 AM
Originally Posted by Yglika
Well for me it is exactly opposite. It _immensely_ breaks my immersion if my character does _NOT_ speak his/her lines. I actually fail to even understand how it can break immersion for someone if he/she does but if yes - I agree they could simply give you an option to turn it off. Lucky for you, that's a lot easier solution, than what I need to be happy.

Despite it's simplicity, what I want will probably not be in game and we will need modders to get it done.
Posted By: T2aV Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 01/12/20 06:47 AM
itz fo da bettah
Posted By: RagnarokCzD Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 01/12/20 07:04 AM
Originally Posted by Yglika
I actually fail to even understand how it can break immersion for someone if he/she does

I believe this example should help you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz9t5Gkj4WY&ab_channel=WhatCultureGaming

Its ofc a bit extreme ...
But reasons are the same, just not so obvious.
Posted By: Uncle Lester Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 01/12/20 08:58 AM
Originally Posted by JustAnotherBaldu
The thing is that we have lots of scenes, showing our character close up interacting.
If he is always silent... it looks kinda idiotic.
Really hope that this does not come to pass.


This is easy to solve. Just reduce protagonist screentime by ~90%. It's only awkward because of awkward camerawork.

Originally Posted by JustAnotherBaldu
Especially since our character tends to show his feelings. What are we? Link? grin


That's another problem - custom protagonists showing emotional responses that are very theatrical and overacted, as well as completely unfitting (depending on the character - like squeamish drow).
Posted By: Nyloth Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 01/12/20 09:44 AM
Originally Posted by Yglika
Well for me it is exactly opposite. It _immensely_ breaks my immersion if my character does _NOT_ speak his/her lines. I actually fail to even understand how it can break immersion for someone if he/she does but if yes - I agree they could simply give you an option to turn it off. Lucky for you, that's a lot easier solution, than what I need to be happy.


This means that you are satisfied with the voice and intonation of your character, because they coincide with what you imagine. For me it pisses me off because they don't. The voice is boring. The intonation is wrong. This breaks my immersion.
Posted By: MarcoNeves Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 01/12/20 11:39 AM
Of course the Protagonist will speak. And SHOULD. Voice number 1 (male, for example) is excellent for multiple builds - especially Wizard Elves, Humans, Tieflings.
Posted By: Eldath Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 01/12/20 12:14 PM
Originally Posted by MarcoNeves
Of course the Protagonist will speak. And SHOULD. Voice number 1 (male, for example) is excellent for multiple builds - especially Wizard Elves, Humans, Tieflings.

You mean its good for you, and that's all that matters right?
Posted By: Zarna Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 01/12/20 02:58 PM
Originally Posted by Yglika
I actually fail to even understand how it can break immersion for someone if he/she does but if yes - I agree they could simply give you an option to turn it off

Some examples - your quiet rogue character has a raucous, overly fake and shrill voice. Your berserker barbarian has a clear and polite voice when you want him loud and crass. Any fake voices when you want your character to sound like a real person. Also the constipated sounding nonstop grunts whenever you get hit. Extremely immersion breaking when in stealth. This one not really dialogue related but still annoying.
I will only be happy with forced voices if we have the option to turn them off, rather sick of having to turn sound completely off in games.

Originally Posted by Uncle Lester

That's another problem - custom protagonists showing emotional responses that are very theatrical and overacted, as well as completely unfitting (depending on the character - like squeamish drow).

Yes, this is a big problem. Will play with sound off if I am forced to (due to stupid sounding voices) but impossible to turn off stupid facial expressions.

Originally Posted by MarcoNeves
Of course the Protagonist will speak. And SHOULD. Voice number 1 (male, for example) is excellent for multiple builds - especially Wizard Elves, Humans, Tieflings.

Well lucky you for having a voice you want to hear. I shall respond in a like manner to you. The Protagonist SHOULD NOT speak as it is immersion breaking.


On a more polite note, I think we can all be happy if the option is there for both voiced and silent. Since we already have silent and they are supposedly adding the voiced, it shouldn't be hard to do.
Posted By: EMC_V Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 01/12/20 04:58 PM
I think that the point about custom characters is a good one. For some people the voices offered and entonation, work. For other doesn't. So I think that it would be nice, as an option, to turn off the main character voice.

And I think that people would also appreciate the option to select among 3-4 "personalities", one of them "stoic" that afect the type of expressions. But since I don't know if it is feasible, an option to be inexpressive might be ok too.
Posted By: DanteYoda Re: Will the protagonist speak? - 02/12/20 01:39 AM
Yes as i've seen my halfling talk fluently in some cut scenes. Funnily if i reload the cut scene (scum save) the words are there but sometimes the characters lips wont move..

Weird bugs i guess.

I personally hate silent characters, it feels immersion breaking.
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