So, for people like me who would like fade to black so we don't have to view porn to follow certain romance paths, or we skip it while shielding our eyes, can we get a Parental Discretion button in options that just fades to black? You know what happens and you just show them snuggling or something after, keeping the nudity out of it, etc.?
Oh, and maybe a censor button also to bleep out the swears.
It'd be nice anyway.
I do want to reiterate, I love this game. I just wish it was more like Star Wars in the obscenities and naughty bits department, and since so many like that stuff out here, at least let me turn it off.
More options for players is a positive thing.
I feel as though the game, when published formally, will most likely have parental controls of some description, but I support the request being put forward for those that feel they want or need them. I hope that if there are going to be full parental controls available, that it also encourages Larian to do those adult-oriented scenes well and right, and not make them silly, cringey or half-arsed.
So, for people like me who would like fade to black so we don't have to view porn to follow certain romance paths, or we skip it while shielding our eyes, can we get a Parental Discretion button in options that just fades to black? You know what happens and you just show them snuggling or something after, keeping the nudity out of it, etc.?
Oh, and maybe a censor button also to bleep out the swears.
It'd be nice anyway.
I do want to reiterate, I love this game. I just wish it was more like Star Wars in the obscenities and naughty bits department, and since so many like that stuff out here, at least let me turn it off.
I agree.
As an option I am in for it. And the QOL provided by this would not just be for people with sensitivities, but also people like Streamers. Big Platforms don't allow any kind of adult content (while also being huge hypocrites about this) and ban people showing the slightest nudity (even animated).
Larian would want to cash in on streaming PR, but a lot of streamers will not touch a risk like that. A sudden nipple can result in a ban, which is unfortunate for them.
As an option I am in for it. And the QOL provided by this would not just be for people with sensitivities, but also people like Streamers. Big Platforms don't allow any kind of adult content (while also being huge hypocrites about this) and ban people showing the slightest nudity (even animated).
Larian would want to cash in on streaming PR, but a lot of streamers will not touch a risk like that. A sudden nipple can result in a ban, which is unfortunate for them.
I agree that a parental feature would be nice, but to just to mention, I'm pretty sure both Twitch and Youtube are okay with nudity in video games.
Now, some streamers may want to avoid showcasing nudity because they have family friendly streams, but that's a matter of choice, not a rule governed by the platform.
A sudden nipple can result in a ban, which is unfortunate for them.
Not if it's a male nipple. Oh the wonderful world of double standards we live in
A sudden nipple can result in a ban, which is unfortunate for them.
Not if it's a male nipple. Oh the wonderful world of double standards we live in
On what platform is a female nipple in a video game cause for a ban?
Here's a link to Felicia Day playing Cyberpunk on Twitch. Check out the 47:13 mark:
https://www.twitch.tv/feliciaday/video/837127080?filter=archives&sort=timeHere's a link of a Minthara romance scene from last year still up on Youtube: "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJlUpNQtF_k&t=340s"
A sudden nipple can result in a ban, which is unfortunate for them.
Not if it's a male nipple. Oh the wonderful world of double standards we live in
Remove Nipples from female breasts? Kidding
I personally like the Romance options (they are optional after all) but i think a possibility to avoid them, or at least the sex scenes, could open up the game to a younger audience. In our society blood, gore and murder is sadly more accepted than love and sex.
A sudden nipple can result in a ban, which is unfortunate for them.
Not if it's a male nipple. Oh the wonderful world of double standards we live in
On what platform is a female nipple in a video game cause for a ban?
Here's a link to Felicia Day playing Cyberpunk on Twitch. Check out the 47:13 mark:
https://www.twitch.tv/feliciaday/video/837127080?filter=archives&sort=timeHere's a link of a Minthara romance scene from last year still up on Youtube: "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJlUpNQtF_k&t=340s"
Well this is a good thing then. I have at least seen some (maybe temporary) bans surrounding CK3, when it first launched. There are some nude models under certain circumstances. I am not big into streaming, I was just pondering the idea, that Larian wants such an option to allow for easier streaming. (I know CK3 has done such an option, I thought it was intentionally for this).
No.
Just don't. Don't allow the ostensible "moral sensitivities" of people who want to oppress us to win here once again.
Nobodies head will explode because of nudity, etc... trust me.
How would you be oppressed by a menu option that you never have to turn on?
How would you be oppressed by a menu option that you never have to turn on?
Systematically.
a) It implies that there is something wrong with nudity, sexuality, etc... which is wrong, the idea alone is repressive
b) If companies would stop catering to the people who think that nudity, sexuality, etc... is wrong then it would create a new climate in society and establish new facts - streaming platforms, etc... simply couldn't afford the anti-sex agenda anymore
Per definition an option cannot have a negative value. How is that for a fact?
Per definition an option cannot have a negative value. How is that for a fact?
Thats rather short sighted, because we don't live in a vacuum. There is always politics and culture involved with such things, I have explained it.
a) It implies that there is something wrong with nudity, sexuality, etc... which is wrong, the idea alone is repressive
No it doesn't.
It only acknowledges that there are things that some people like, and others don't, and funnily enough, that's a good thing, and it's okay. People are allowed to like different things, and if those things are easy enough to filter then it should not be used to exclude them from a greater body of content that they would otherwise enjoy alongside the people who also enjoy the bits they don't.
b) If companies would stop catering to the people who think that nudity, sexuality, etc... is wrong then it would create a new climate in society and establish new facts - streaming platforms, etc... simply couldn't afford the anti-sex agenda anymore
Forcing everyone to live the way that you think they should, and not providing them options to do otherwise, is, by actual definition, Oppression.
Don't get me wrong, I'm an extremely sex-positive person, and I enjoy adult content in my entertainment media even if it is not the subject or focus of it. I'd even like and appreciate more such things, and a more relaxed approach to it in all walks of life, as long as it comes alongside better education, awareness and good mental/emotional health practices. I disagree very strongly with enforced censorship in ALL its forms.
However... if I start trying to demand that people not have the option of opting out of those elements that they don't want to engage in, while still experiencing the rest of the material, then I'd be acting directly against that exact philosophy, and doing exactly what it was I was pushing for others not to do.
(If you look elsewhere on these forums you'll see that I'm pretty in favour of the open-minded approach to the presence of adult content in these games, and I want to see it done well... but if I say that people shouldn't have the option of telling the game to black fade those bits for them, because that's what they prefer, then I'm just as bad as the people demanding that the scenes shouldn't exist - exactly as bad, in fact.)
Per definition an option cannot have a negative value. How is that for a fact?
Thats rather short sighted, because we don't live in a vacuum. There is always politics and culture involved with such things, I have explained it.
No it is a fact. In contrast to your statement. An option can - at worst - have a value of 0. Because the inherent feature of an option is: you can choose to use it or not. So even if I give you the option "You need to give me everything you own" this option has no negative value for you. Because you simply can choose to not take it.
Per definition an option cannot have a negative value. How is that for a fact?
Thats rather short sighted, because we don't live in a vacuum. There is always politics and culture involved with such things, I have explained it.
No it is a fact. In contrast to your statement. An option can - at worst - have a value of 0. Because the inherent feature of an option is: you can choose to use it or not. So even if I give you the option "You need to give me everything you own" this option has no negative value for you. Because you simply can choose to not take it.
It's different here.
Games with "parental discretion features" enable streaming platforms to enforce censorship because players have the option to stream games without the content oppressive people don't want to be available.
If games wouldn't have such controls then streaming platforms would be forced to give up their anti-sexuality- and anti-nudity-rules, this would make the world a better place.
I am a fierce proponent of individual rights. Which do include things like a privately operated company to decide what kind of content they want to have on their platforms. And if some of them want to ban nudity, they are absolutely in the right to do so. They can even be as arbitrarily as they want about anything.
The important thing is, that the government does not take away your rights to have your own platform with blackjack and hookers, so to speak. Because THAT would be censorship.
Well ...
I believe this game is for 18+ ... so no responsible parent should allow his child to be anywehere near. O_o
It sounds kinda funny to me ... like demanding parental control being aplied to hardcore fetish porn movie.
But on the other hand, if you are player parent yourself you never know when, how, or whence those little rascals get to your room ... especialy if you are that kind of player that plays with headphones on ...
So i gues +1, this cant harm anything and it can help someone, so i dont quite see any reason why not. ^_^
Censorship is censorship, regardless of who it is that's is the censor.
But Firesong, you are completely wrong about what would happen if streaming sites couldn't enforce their censorship through "discretion features". Because they wouldn't just allow those games. They'd make streamers not stream those parts anyway, or ban the entire games from being streamed at all.
OMG. Must every idea be debated and fought over?
Think of it like this. Christians were jerks who put lots of moral restrictions on people instead of teaching the truth about what the Bible teaches; freedom in Jesus Christ and love for all mankind. Instead of teaching love and respect like they should have, they oppressed people thinking tough love was the only way to keep people from sin. They made everything about sin instead of about the one who destroyed it through His sacrifice.
So people fought to be free of the tyranny.
Now, the roles are reversed. If I, being a Christian, do not like nudity in games or foul language, I am oppressed by those who want to force me to live as THEY think I should live. "Just stop being sensitive, Prick!". I'm not being sensitive. I just don't want to have to see soft porn pixels in order to enjoy different elements of the game. I'm not asking them to write it out entirely. I'm asking for some censorship option for players like myself who don't enjoy such things. I'm not playing politics. I'm NOT trying to oppress anyone. I am only asking respectfully for an option. If they don't, I'm not going to throw a fit. It's just a gosh darn request.
Censorship is censorship, regardless of who it is that's is the censor.
What is censored and why is more important.
Well ...
I believe this game is for 18+ ... so no responsible parent should allow his child to be anywehere near. O_o
It sounds kinda funny to me ... like demanding parental control being aplied to hardcore fetish porn movie.
And I not terribly fond of that rating in BG game, or at least how it is utilized. I don't know how BG would be rated, but I played BG1&2 as a young teenager, and frankly it didn't scontain anything terribly unipropriate. IMO BG3 could very easily not be 18+ and be better for it.
The problem I would point out in that reasoning is that "hardcore fetish port movie" is meant to be a hardcore fetish porn movie. Take that away and you are left with nothing. One would hope that there is far more to BG3 then janky digital sex scenes, profanities and bloodsplatters.
So people fought to be free of the tyranny.
Now, the roles are reversed.
The medicine is bitter, isn't it.
"Just stop being sensitive, Prick!". I'm not being sensitive.
Then prove it by not requesting a feature like this instead of just saying that you are not sensitive.
Enough, Firesong.
It's a perfectly valid request to make (and a quite popular one, particularly among streamers).
So please end your tirade and gatekeeping attempts, Firesong. You don't have to shut down a request just because you disagree with it, particularly when if the request would at all be implemented, it'd make no difference to you to begin with. Kind of a benign thing to get all worked up about, isn't it?
Consider this a soft-warning, next time I'm not so patient.
Enough, Firesong.
It's a perfectly valid request to make (and a quite popular one, particularly among streamers).
So please end your tirade and gatekeeping attempts, Firesong. You don't have to shut down a request just because you disagree with it, particularly when if the request would at all be implemented, it'd make no difference to you to begin with. Kind of a benign thing to get all worked up about, isn't it?
Consider this a soft-warning, next time I'm not so patient.
Right, this got out of hand, you're absolutely right.
Back to my favorite topics: QoL / UX and "please make Halsin recruitable".
To add to the use-cases mentioned for this feature...
When my kids were younger, when they were at my house we'd play board games or cards, kick a ball at the park, stuff like that. Now they're older and into video games, but not old enough for some of the content in this game. When they're here these days, mostly we just all play games, and I would *love* the option to take a game from R to PG-13 when they're here, because otherwise I wouldn't be able to play it while they're doing Minecraft two feet away.
OMG. Must every idea be debated and fought over?
Think of it like this. Christians were jerks who put lots of moral restrictions on people instead of teaching the truth about what the Bible teaches; freedom in Jesus Christ and love for all mankind. Instead of teaching love and respect like they should have, they oppressed people thinking tough love was the only way to keep people from sin. They made everything about sin instead of about the one who destroyed it through His sacrifice.
So people fought to be free of the tyranny.
Now, the roles are reversed. If I, being a Christian, do not like nudity in games or foul language, I am oppressed by those who want to force me to live as THEY think I should live. "Just stop being sensitive, Prick!". I'm not being sensitive. I just don't want to have to see soft porn pixels in order to enjoy different elements of the game. I'm not asking them to write it out entirely. I'm asking for some censorship option for players like myself who don't enjoy such things. I'm not playing politics. I'm NOT trying to oppress anyone. I am only asking respectfully for an option. If they don't, I'm not going to throw a fit. It's just a gosh darn request.
Disclaimer: I am not opposed to an option to fade these things out, I might even use it. However:
I am opposed to using "shock language" and "faux outrage" to get a requested feature. Oppression has a very real meaning, and a sex scene, or some swearing in a video game isn't it. What's next, a review bomb on Steam and Meta-Critic?
The complete and total disconnect between "it's an option, you don't have to use it" being acceptable here, and "If you don't like it, don't abuse LRs" being unacceptable isn't lost on me either.
And I not terribly fond of that rating in BG game, or at least how it is utilized. I don't know how BG would be rated, but I played BG1&2 as a young teenager, and frankly it didn't scontain anything terribly unipropriate. IMO BG3 could very easily not be 18+ and be better for it.
One would hope that there is far more to BG3 then janky digital sex scenes, profanities and bloodsplatters.
There certainly is ...
Concepts of slavery, canibalism, torture, racism, fanatism, sadism and masochism, explicit showing of inner organs (especialy brains), some could argue that inserting tadpole is methaphor for rape (i heard such theory for Alien and honestly i dont see much difference here) and much, much more ...
Note that i dont argue any of those things could "horribly destroy fragile mind of inocent child" ...
Since i also came from generation of kids who were growing up watching all those "adults only" movies, series, videogames and stuff ... and i dont feel like any of that marked me worse than some other stuff, that no ESRB protects from. :-/
I simply can understand some people wish to be warned those things will be included.
And that is exactly what those ratings are for (at least that is how i see them) ... in the end, its allways parents who will decide if they will listen to this recommendation, or not ... and that makes sence, after all its also them who are responsible for those childern.
OMG. Must every idea be debated and fought over?
In general?
Yes, that is why we are on forum and not on Blog without enabled coments.
I simply can understand some people wish to be warned those things will be included.
Yup, and that's what makes GM4Him's request so obviously reasonable. It's not some moral panic think of the children nonsense, it's "I am a grown-ass human who wants to make choices about the content I consume, and there's a lot in the game I want to interact with, but not this other part of it that can really be very easily skipped programmatically."
And I not terribly fond of that rating in BG game, or at least how it is utilized. I don't know how BG would be rated, but I played BG1&2 as a young teenager, and frankly it didn't scontain anything terribly unipropriate. IMO BG3 could very easily not be 18+ and be better for it.
One would hope that there is far more to BG3 then janky digital sex scenes, profanities and bloodsplatters.
There certainly is ...
Concepts of slavery, canibalism, torture, racism, fanatism, sadism and masochism, explicit showing of inner organs (especialy brains), some could argue that inserting tadpole is methaphor for rape (i heard such theory for Alien and honestly i dont see much difference here) and much, much more ...
Note that i dont argue any of those things could "horribly destroy fragile mind of inocent child" ...
Since i also came from generation of kids who were growing up watching all those "adults only" movies, series, videogames and stuff ... and i dont feel like any of that marked me worse than some other stuff, that no ESRB protects from. :-/
I simply can understand some people wish to be warned those things will be included.
And that is exactly what those ratings are for (at least that is how i see them) ... in the end, its allways parents who will decide if they will listen to this recommendation, or not ... and that makes sence, after all its also them who are responsible for those childern.
OMG. Must every idea be debated and fought over?
In general?
Yes, that is why we are on forum and not on Blog without enabled coments.
Forum does not equal debate and fight. Forum means discussion. It can be pleasant. It can be fun. People can offer suggestions, and others can say, "Oh! I like that!"
Or, they can say, "Mmmm. Nah. I mean, if they want to do that, whatever, but I personally am not affected by it." Or, they can say, "Hmmm. No. Absolutely not. That would ruin the game and here's why." Those are respectful responses.
They don't have to say, "Your idea is dumb and I hate it and the game doesn't need that, so shut up and stop talking, and if you don't I'm going to keep attacking your ideas and suggestions until you finally get so sick and tired of it that you do just shut up. Oh, and let me give you all the reasons why your ideas suck and are stupid, and let me keep telling you why your ideas suck and are stupid because I pretty much just want to bash you into the ground until you either die or you quit making suggestions."
There's a huge difference. I don't mind the first. You have your opinion, and I have mine. You may not like my idea, and you may have reasons why. But you don't have to bash me and completely shoot my ideas down and belittle me in the process. Heck, I'd even understand you shooting something down, if my idea somehow ruins your gameplay. Then I can understand at least the defensiveness behind your position. But these unnecessary attacks every time someone posts anything someone doesn't like, that's what I'm frustrated with. Endless stupid debating and fighting over the tiniest of suggestions and feedback, no matter how small and insignificant. I post something thinking, "Hey. That's not a bad idea. Maybe I can at least ask for it. I might not get it, but it doesn't hurt to ask," turns into me defending myself and my life choices and my own beliefs and religion and all over something that doesn't hurt someone else at all. It's ridiculous!
Sometimes, I want to retaliate the way others treat me. You know, they call me sensitive or some dogmatic Christian who just wants to suppress and oppress, and I want to call them... no... you know what... no. I just won't tell you what I want to call them because that would not be Lawful Good of me.
They don't have to say, "Your idea is dumb and I hate it and the game doesn't need that, so shut up and stop talking, and if you don't I'm going to keep attacking your ideas and suggestions until you finally get so sick and tired of it that you do just shut up. Oh, and let me give you all the reasons why your ideas suck and are stupid, and let me keep telling you why your ideas suck and are stupid because I pretty much just want to bash you into the ground until you either die or you quit making suggestions."
Well ...
As one of persons who was in the past multiple times acused by you for the same, even tho it was never my intention ... i kinda feel the urge to note that there could be fault on the receiver aswell. :-/
But yes they dont "have to" say that ... and yet they can ...
World is ugly and harsh place, and sometimes you need to deal with dirt.
Do you want my advice?
Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life.
In my field we have a principal of system design: always be clear and standard in the output you create, and be generous and fault tolerant when parsing the input you get.
This applies to most human interaction as well, especially online, eh?
[it] turns into me defending myself and my life choices and my own beliefs and religion and all over something that doesn't hurt someone else at all. It's ridiculous!
To be fair and honest, GM4Him... And I earnestly mean no disrespect in saying this, but you are the one that brings your religion into things here, every time it comes up. It's always you (as far as I've ever seen at lest), who brings it up and makes it an issue, and I do feel as though you've been politely requested to keep religious discussion out of matters before. We understand that your personal beliefs and your religious leanings are important to you, and (possibly, I don't want to presume) a strong element of what makes you who you are... and that's fine! But the topics we discuss in these forums are not the place for those kinds of real world discussions and potential conflicts. So if you don't bring your personal religion into the discussions here, it's a near guarantee that no-one else will either, and then you won't have to feel like you're needing to defend it. - I've never had to defend my own religious position, for example, because I've never brought it up.
If it's a Toggle it doesn't take anything from me. That's just how it is. As long as it's Optional and not FORCED DOWN MY THROAT CENSORSHIP of 2021 TREND by the Typical Fanatical Cults.
[it] turns into me defending myself and my life choices and my own beliefs and religion and all over something that doesn't hurt someone else at all. It's ridiculous!
To be fair and honest, GM4Him... And I earnestly mean no disrespect in saying this, but you are the one that brings your religion into things here, every time it comes up. It's always you (as far as I've ever seen at lest), who brings it up and makes it an issue, and I do feel as though you've been politely requested to keep religious discussion out of matters before. We understand that your personal beliefs and your religious leanings are important to you, and (possibly, I don't want to presume) a strong element of what makes you who you are... and that's fine! But the topics we discuss in these forums are not the place for those kinds of real world discussions and potential conflicts. So if you don't bring your personal religion into the discussions here, it's a near guarantee that no-one else will either, and then you won't have to feel like you're needing to defend it. - I've never had to defend my own religious position, for example, because I've never brought it up.
Hmm. Fair point, Niara. It is easy for me to bring it into conversations simply because it is a HUGE part of who I am. So, when I make suggestions about things like censorship options, I am doing so because of my relationship with Christ. If I did not have one, I would not even care.
I guess my frustration isn't so much defending my beliefs as it is simply that I am always having to defend even the smallest suggestion. And, of course, he ticked me off. No excuse for my response, but that's what it was nevertheless.
And Ragnarok, I've never called your ideas stupid, as far as I can tell. I've said I don't understand where you're coming from and we often misunderstand one another, but I don't think I've ever said you're an idiot. I certainly don't think you are, and if I ever did say something like that in any way, I'm sorry.
I absolutely do not agree with you a LOT, but I don't think you're dumb. Besides, when do you ever post your own suggestions? You almost always just criticize others'.
Things feel better when we can chat with a positive outlook, even when we disagree. Especially, then, rather.
I would never use any kind of parental feature, personally. I actually... if I'm honest... when I talk about Larian making a firm decision about what sort of scene they want to make, for the intimacies... I kinda actually want them to decide to go full on adult with it, make it erotic, make it overt, make it lurid, support it with writing that fits, and make it steamy and passionate.... I kinda want that. But I want it to be done well, and past that, I want Larian to feel like they CAN go ahead and do that without negative repercussions. That probably means they Need to have a safety switch in for people who want a black fade instead, rather than being forced to squeeze their eyes shut and hit space bar rapidly until it's over... that's not an adequate solution - and if having such a safety switch Allows them to let their hair out and make the flip side of that scene really potent, then, for me, that would be win-win.
So, for people like me who would like fade to black so we don't have to view porn to follow certain romance paths, or we skip it while shielding our eyes, can we get a Parental Discretion button in options that just fades to black? You know what happens and you just show them snuggling or something after, keeping the nudity out of it, etc.?
Oh, and maybe a censor button also to bleep out the swears.
This should definitely be added for those who want it. A dialogue option to click if you want to trigger romance similar to DA would also be welcome.
a) It implies that there is something wrong with nudity, sexuality, etc... which is wrong, the idea alone is repressive
b) If companies would stop catering to the people who think that nudity, sexuality, etc... is wrong then it would create a new climate in society and establish new facts - streaming platforms, etc... simply couldn't afford the anti-sex agenda anymore
I have absolutely no issues with nudity or sex (although I despise sappy romance crap) but I wouldn't mind having an option to turn this off in game either since I find fictional "romances" ridiculous. I would love for people to stop thinking of nudity and sex as bad but centuries of conditioning/brainwashing isn't going to change just by making people have to deal with it. It would just end up with games being blacklisted in many places and people giving bad reviews because their kid saw a boob or something.
I'm NOT trying to oppress anyone. I am only asking respectfully for an option.
I am not even close to being of your religion but I certainly do not think you are trying to oppress anyone, especially asking for something optional to use.
Well, the toggle option is a valid request in my opinion. I don't mind adult content ( but sappy romance scenes always make me laugh, because they are often so over the top and cringy - BG 3 is No exception), but it doesn't hurt to have the option.
I agree however with some people here, that real life religion should be left out. It doesn't matter, why someone wants a toggle, If personal morals, religious believes or just dislike of certain contents. And no one has to defend their opinion. If OP wants the toggle, then he is entitled to ask for it, No reason necessary. And religion discussions often lead to arguments in my experience.
I understand where you all are coming from in regards to not discussing religion on forums like this. I will do my best. Some topics it is easier, but in others it's harder. For most, religion isn't so ingrained in every part of their life. For me, it is everything.
God is in some distant deity to me. He is a part of me and I am a part of him. So, especially when it comes to topics with morals, it is very difficult to not speak about him especially because there are now so many misconceptions about him. Some would say that I shouldn't be playing a game like this because of its content, which is why he's kind of games are often banned in different Christian circles.
But I play games like this because I enjoy the fantasy and the story and the characters and how game creators like Larian create such impressive looking worlds with such impressive story paths so that each time I play this game I learned something new and it is a different experience. I don't like playing Christian games because they have to work in such limited confines in order to not offend their audiences. However, when games like this give me no real choice to turn off nudity and sex and vulgar language, I am either locked out of various story paths or I have to grit my teeth and do something that triggers my conscience and later makes me regret having even gone down that pathway.
So, it is a simple request and it is one that would make the game more accessible for people like me don't want that kind of content in their gameplay. Yes, it might require a bit of work on their part to censor different scenes, but it would be much appreciated by me and others like me.
And I will work harder to try to avoid bringing my faith into it in the future, though please forgive me if I do since it is so much a part of who I am. For me, it is like breathing. But I will do my best to hold my breath. ðŸ˜
And I not terribly fond of that rating in BG game, or at least how it is utilized. I don't know how BG would be rated, but I played BG1&2 as a young teenager, and frankly it didn't scontain anything terribly unipropriate. IMO BG3 could very easily not be 18+ and be better for it.
One would hope that there is far more to BG3 then janky digital sex scenes, profanities and bloodsplatters.
There certainly is ...
Concepts of slavery, canibalism, torture, racism, fanatism, sadism and masochism, explicit showing of inner organs (especialy brains), some could argue that inserting tadpole is methaphor for rape (i heard such theory for Alien and honestly i dont see much difference here) and much, much more ...
Note that i dont argue any of those things could "horribly destroy fragile mind of inocent child" ...
Since i also came from generation of kids who were growing up watching all those "adults only" movies, series, videogames and stuff ... and i dont feel like any of that marked me worse than some other stuff, that no ESRB protects from. :-/
I simply can understand some people wish to be warned those things will be included.
And that is exactly what those ratings are for (at least that is how i see them) ... in the end, its allways parents who will decide if they will listen to this recommendation, or not ... and that makes sence, after all its also them who are responsible for those childern.
OMG. Must every idea be debated and fought over?
In general?
Yes, that is why we are on forum and not on Blog without enabled coments.
Forum does not equal debate and fight. Forum means discussion. It can be pleasant. It can be fun. People can offer suggestions, and others can say, "Oh! I like that!"
Or, they can say, "Mmmm. Nah. I mean, if they want to do that, whatever, but I personally am not affected by it." Or, they can say, "Hmmm. No. Absolutely not. That would ruin the game and here's why." Those are respectful responses.
They don't have to say, "Your idea is dumb and I hate it and the game doesn't need that, so shut up and stop talking, and if you don't I'm going to keep attacking your ideas and suggestions until you finally get so sick and tired of it that you do just shut up. Oh, and let me give you all the reasons why your ideas suck and are stupid, and let me keep telling you why your ideas suck and are stupid because I pretty much just want to bash you into the ground until you either die or you quit making suggestions."
There's a huge difference. I don't mind the first. You have your opinion, and I have mine. You may not like my idea, and you may have reasons why. But you don't have to bash me and completely shoot my ideas down and belittle me in the process. Heck, I'd even understand you shooting something down, if my idea somehow ruins your gameplay. Then I can understand at least the defensiveness behind your position. But these unnecessary attacks every time someone posts anything someone doesn't like, that's what I'm frustrated with. Endless stupid debating and fighting over the tiniest of suggestions and feedback, no matter how small and insignificant. I post something thinking, "Hey. That's not a bad idea. Maybe I can at least ask for it. I might not get it, but it doesn't hurt to ask," turns into me defending myself and my life choices and my own beliefs and religion and all over something that doesn't hurt someone else at all. It's ridiculous!
Sometimes, I want to retaliate the way others treat me. You know, they call me sensitive or some dogmatic Christian who just wants to suppress and oppress, and I want to call them... no... you know what... no. I just won't tell you what I want to call them because that would not be Lawful Good of me.
Forums are very much for debate. It's one way to exchange ideas, and maybe find flaws in suggestions that lead to better suggestions. Fight is in the eye of the beholder, however. Some posters will go "too far". For myself, I think gaming forums would be a really boring place if someone posted something, and everyone just said "Yeah". As I said in my previous post, I don't object to the addition, and might even use it, but presentation is key. I do find playing a "victim card" to try to dissuade discussion, even if it's discussion that takes it too far, every bit as bad as the people that take their opposition to an idea too far. Things like you claiming you're being oppressed by the existence of sex scenes and profanity, for example. They didn't add anything to the conversation, and they wouldn't make me want to support an idea if I had objections to it. Instead, they make me want to dismiss it out of hand, because I know that they are objectively false. What it does make me think is that we're starting off with it as optional, but it could very easily move into "just remove it". There's a very evident real world example, in Mass Effect. "Alien side boob" was a very real issue, with people trying to claim it was a hardcore sex scene with an alien. If you've never seen it, you should look it up. It's amusing, and terrifying at the same time.
When someone says they want something, I think it's more than reasonable to also say why.
If someone wants a parental feature to block out sexual content, it makes sense to explain why. Something like, "Because I feel like it's against my religion," seems perfectly valid, in my opinion.
A person's identity has a lot to do with what they do and don't like to consume.
I'm a Christian as well but I don't have a problem with nudity or foul language I games other forms of entertainment. Then again I listen to metal with Satanic imagery sometimes. It's just music to me. As in this is just a game.
I can understand where you're coming from though.
I do know more hard-core and really conservative Christians who wouldn't touch this game or others like it due to multiple deities in it.
And this is exactly why SOMETIMES people should not explain their reasons. -_-
Then people keep talking about if their reasons are good enough, and nobody seem to care about that suggestion was about. :-/
I mean, why does it matter?
Someone dont wish to see digital nipple, or hear swearing, for religion reasons ...
Someone else dont wish to see digital nipple, or hear swearing, for reasons that he have child that can anytime get to his room ...
Someone else dont wish to see digital nipple, or hear swearing, so he can more easily stream this game without need to put 18+ and block out some potential subscriber ...
Someone else dont wish to see digital nipple, or hear swearing, bcs it simply bothers him (or her, or it, or w/e)...
Is any reason better than the other? :-/
I mean, as long as its optional, why would anyone who dont want it even care this option is present? O_o
And this is exactly why SOMETIMES people should not explain their reasons. -_-
Then people keep talking about if their reasons are good enough, and nobody seem to care about that suggestion was about. :-/
I mean, why does it matter?
Someone dont wish to see digital nipple, or hear swearing, for religion reasons ...
Someone else dont wish to see digital nipple, or hear swearing, for reasons that he have child that can anytime get to his room ...
Someone else dont wish to see digital nipple, or hear swearing, so he can more easily stream this game without need to put 18+ and block out some potential subscriber ...
Someone else dont wish to see digital nipple, or hear swearing, bcs it simply bothers him (or her, or it, or w/e)...
Is any reason better than the other? :-/
I mean, as long as its optional, why would anyone who dont want it even care this option is present? O_o
As I said, I'm not against the toggle for fade to black for sex scenes, and there may be circumstances where I'd even use it. How are they going to toggle language though? Are they going to have to do every voice over in the game multiple times for profanity? Then there's my "beef" with the discussion: What about it's inclusion is oppressive? The OP has made that claim, and that's what I've objected to. Despite today's political climate, oppression has a very real meaning, and including sex/violence/profanity in a video game that is, thanks to Mortal Kombat, marked with a rating system that explains that any or all of those may be included, isn't it.
It usually starts with someone being rude, as was the case in this situation. I made a simple suggestion that if they aren't going to remove nudity and sex scenes maybe they could at least create an option to fade to Black and have dialogue showing the characters only from the shoulders up or even blurring out naughty bits and bleeping swears. There really aren't that many swears overall. It's not like you should be that big of a deal.
So the only reason I brought religion into it to explain myself and my situation was because someone was rude. In the end, it doesn't really matter. I probably won't trigger the romances that much anyway if at all ever again. If I do, I'll probably just Spam the heck out of the space bar and cover the screen until it's over just so I can have Minthara as a companion in my evil playthrough.
So, here's a perspective for you. I've been gaming in the D&D universe for nearly 40 years, yes it is that old. I was eight when my mother bought me the red D&D box set. I remember coloring in the numbers of the light blue dice with the white crayon they provided in the box. And I remember the suggested age for the original game. 9-13. That's right, "adults", a word I use very loosely, are arguing whether or not a game, who's origins were designed for preteens, should have parental buttons in the menu. Adults are arguing whether or not a children's game should be playable for children. Just let that sink in. And the fact that "adults" are bickering about their right to not play a censored game, that was originally designed for children, speaks volumes.
Now, if Larian Studios, a company supposedly made up with "adults", refuses to acknowledge the origins of the game, that is their prerogative. I, personally, won't agree with that decision, and will probably stop playing the game, but that will be my decision.
I do agree with the comment that if they keep this game rated for 18+, the parents among us need to do our jobs to protect our children. It is interesting the number of parents, and grandparents, on Larian's payroll that think it's ok to make an adult game from what was once a children's game. "Things that make you go, Hmmmm!"
Barverak, with apologies, I'm struggling to understand the point you're making.
Times change, expectations change, games change, marketing changes. For me, I'm trying to take this as it comes. Here's the content, here's how i perceive my life situation in relation to it, and so on.
As on observation, wow this scene is different than it used to be, it's a conversation worth having, but I'm not understanding the connection between that and "let's have an option to not show fucking"
what was once a children's game.
As you say: "What was once." As in, is not solely any more.
Now, D&D is a game system that caters to all ages and all walks of life, having grown from a tightly limited scope into something that can now appeal to almost anyone, and provides support and advice for how to pitch your individual game or game table to the audience that it is individually for - be that how to tailor a game space to be fun and engaging, yet still suitable for younger children, or a game space that contains tones and themes that younger audiences might not be mentally or emotionally equipped to explore maturely yet, or even, yes, games that serve as a vehicle for intimate games between mature and consenting adults. The fact that the game has grown and change to encompass all of these things is a good thing.
That aside, Larian don't really seem to have that much interest in making a D&D game to begin with - they don't really have much respect for the setting, system or background lore, and have even stated on record that their main hopes revolve around using this IP as a means of drawing attention to and promoting
Their games... So if you want to look at game history and origins, it might be more appropriate to look at Larian's earlier games, which include, just as the first example that comes to mind from one of their earlier games, a ~12 year old boy-prince who was abusing his position of power to coerce one of his former hand-maidens into being his sex servant instead, and whom he disparagingly referred to as 'miss yo-yo knickers'. This situation was largely played for laughs. That's Larian's style of humour and tone-pitching...
The only hard out swearing I have encountered is the tie fling rogue Karlach on the risen road - she has potty mouth on certain branching paths in dialogue… I actually really like it - it’s real.
While I don’t share the OPs views on the matter a way to turn these things off if it’s not a huge cost to the development of the game is fine.
The only hard out swearing I have encountered is the tie fling rogue Karlach on the risen road - she has potty mouth on certain branching paths in dialogue… I actually really like it - it’s real.
While I don’t share the OPs views on the matter a way to turn these things off if it’s not a huge cost to the development of the game is fine.
Ironically, Karlach, the tiefling (probably paladin) is one of my favorites too. I can't wait to see her actual model with the 1 horn.
I agree. The language is not so much my concern. Compared to most movies and TV shows, it's pretty tame. It would be nice to have the option to blur it out, but if not, whatever.
So, here's a perspective for you. I've been gaming in the D&D universe for nearly 40 years, yes it is that old. I was eight when my mother bought me the red D&D box set. I remember coloring in the numbers of the light blue dice with the white crayon they provided in the box. And I remember the suggested age for the original game. 9-13. That's right, "adults", a word I use very loosely, are arguing whether or not a game, who's origins were designed for preteens, should have parental buttons in the menu. Adults are arguing whether or not a children's game should be playable for children. Just let that sink in. And the fact that "adults" are bickering about their right to not play a censored game, that was originally designed for children, speaks volumes.
That is interesting perspective ...
Can you please tell us how much nude, or explicitly sexual scenes that "box" contained?
Or how many scenes with splashing blood and body organs falling out was there?
Or i dunno, im running out of examples fast so early in the morning ... lets say how many examples for slavery or torture was showed right there?
My gues?
None.
So, how exactly is that anyhow relevant to curent case?
I mean come on ...
That would be like comparing Showhite from Disney ... with that porn version for adults.
Yes, it was both based on same story (wich was originaly quite different, by the way) ... and that is kinda everything it have in common, it dont mean that while frist move was created for childern, the second one have to be too.
If you look at DnD ... yes, there are some "revealing artworks" for some oversexualized female characters ...
Not sure if they were so explicit in that old version you mentioned, but even if ... have you ever seen what some popstars are wearing on stage?
But what is expicitly "part of DnD rulebook" and not made by Dungeon Master ... that could be seen as inapropriate for childern?
There is the charm, nothing ins explicit.
Even if you find in rulebook things like slavery, torture, or killing ... its all just mentioned without any details, and that is okey.
So, here's a perspective for you. I've been gaming in the D&D universe for nearly 40 years, yes it is that old. I was eight when my mother bought me the red D&D box set. I remember coloring in the numbers of the light blue dice with the white crayon they provided in the box. And I remember the suggested age for the original game. 9-13. That's right, "adults", a word I use very loosely, are arguing whether or not a game, who's origins were designed for preteens, should have parental buttons in the menu. Adults are arguing whether or not a children's game should be playable for children. Just let that sink in. And the fact that "adults" are bickering about their right to not play a censored game, that was originally designed for children, speaks volumes.
Now, if Larian Studios, a company supposedly made up with "adults", refuses to acknowledge the origins of the game, that is their prerogative. I, personally, won't agree with that decision, and will probably stop playing the game, but that will be my decision.
I do agree with the comment that if they keep this game rated for 18+, the parents among us need to do our jobs to protect our children. It is interesting the number of parents, and grandparents, on Larian's payroll that think it's ok to make an adult game from what was once a children's game. "Things that make you go, Hmmmm!"
For what it's worth, I get where you're coming from. I wanted to mention that because I see some other comments suggesting that what you're saying doesn't make sense. But it does make sense, and your viewpoint is at least as valid as anyone else's.
The game was originally for kids. And it was good for kids. It developed imagination, encouraged friendships, and got a lot of us reading. It helped latchkey kids who were otherwise raised on television.
Childhood was the kingdom where DnD was born. And now, to know that a popular version of the game isn't suitable for those very same kids, well, it feels like maybe it turned its back on its roots. Like it's no longer there to help those same kids, but rather, maybe it's been sullied somewhat, tarnished by adults who couldn't leave the magic behind for the following generations.
Basically, a parent who wants his kids to enjoy the game, but can't. At least not in this incarnation.
I think that's what's being said, roughly. A lament. A barking at the moon.
So, here's a perspective for you. I've been gaming in the D&D universe for nearly 40 years, yes it is that old. I was eight when my mother bought me the red D&D box set. I remember coloring in the numbers of the light blue dice with the white crayon they provided in the box. And I remember the suggested age for the original game. 9-13. That's right, "adults", a word I use very loosely, are arguing whether or not a game, who's origins were designed for preteens, should have parental buttons in the menu. Adults are arguing whether or not a children's game should be playable for children. Just let that sink in. And the fact that "adults" are bickering about their right to not play a censored game, that was originally designed for children, speaks volumes.
Now, if Larian Studios, a company supposedly made up with "adults", refuses to acknowledge the origins of the game, that is their prerogative. I, personally, won't agree with that decision, and will probably stop playing the game, but that will be my decision.
I do agree with the comment that if they keep this game rated for 18+, the parents among us need to do our jobs to protect our children. It is interesting the number of parents, and grandparents, on Larian's payroll that think it's ok to make an adult game from what was once a children's game. "Things that make you go, Hmmmm!"
For what it's worth, I get where you're coming from. I wanted to mention that because I see some other comments suggesting that what you're saying doesn't make sense. But it does make sense, and your viewpoint is at least as valid as anyone else's.
The game was originally for kids. And it was good for kids. It developed imagination, encouraged friendships, and got a lot of us reading. It helped latchkey kids who were otherwise raised on television.
Childhood was the kingdom where DnD was born. And now, to know that a popular version of the game isn't suitable for those very same kids, well, it feels like maybe it turned its back on its roots. Like it's no longer there to help those same kids, but rather, maybe it's been sullied somewhat, tarnished by adults who couldn't leave the magic behind for the following generations.
Basically, a parent who wants his kids to enjoy the game, but can't. At least not in this incarnation.
I think that's what's being said, roughly. A lament. A barking at the moon.
No argument, I think the pushback from me and others was that it should be it's own discussion, separate from whether or not there should be an explicit content toggle. Since it looks like this thread's going that direction, then I guess it's now a thread about that.
Have you seen
Heroes of Hesiod? My kids *loved* it, and it sparked their interest in the real thing when they got a little older.
So, here's a perspective for you. I've been gaming in the D&D universe for nearly 40 years, yes it is that old. I was eight when my mother bought me the red D&D box set. I remember coloring in the numbers of the light blue dice with the white crayon they provided in the box. And I remember the suggested age for the original game. 9-13. That's right, "adults", a word I use very loosely, are arguing whether or not a game, who's origins were designed for preteens, should have parental buttons in the menu. Adults are arguing whether or not a children's game should be playable for children. Just let that sink in. And the fact that "adults" are bickering about their right to not play a censored game, that was originally designed for children, speaks volumes.
Now, if Larian Studios, a company supposedly made up with "adults", refuses to acknowledge the origins of the game, that is their prerogative. I, personally, won't agree with that decision, and will probably stop playing the game, but that will be my decision.
I do agree with the comment that if they keep this game rated for 18+, the parents among us need to do our jobs to protect our children. It is interesting the number of parents, and grandparents, on Larian's payroll that think it's ok to make an adult game from what was once a children's game. "Things that make you go, Hmmmm!"
How old are you now? Did you expect that a company that started up a game wouldn't try to evolve/age with it's initial audience, as well as try to acquire a larger one? I was a bit older than the target age when I started, and the campaigns we ran reflected that difference, ie: the games we ran would not have been suitable for the target audience. It's the exact same materials, but completely different results. Were we just angst driven adolescent pervs? Maybe so. But we could build an entertaining, for us, campaign out of the exact same source material. The only limits were the rules, and your imagination, I'd imagine that there were campaigns running at the time that would have made our campaign look every bit as tame as a campaign for the "target audience".
Have you seen
Heroes of Hesiod? My kids *loved* it, and it sparked their interest in the real thing when they got a little older.
No, I'll have to check it out. But in fairness, my daughter is not into DnD stuff at all. The closest she'll come to video games are things like roblox.
For what it's worth, I get where you're coming from. I wanted to mention that because I see some other comments suggesting that what you're saying doesn't make sense. But it does make sense, and your viewpoint is at least as valid as anyone else's.
The game was originally for kids. And it was good for kids. It developed imagination, encouraged friendships, and got a lot of us reading. It helped latchkey kids who were otherwise raised on television.
Childhood was the kingdom where DnD was born. And now, to know that a popular version of the game isn't suitable for those very same kids, well, it feels like maybe it turned its back on its roots. Like it's no longer there to help those same kids, but rather, maybe it's been sullied somewhat, tarnished by adults who couldn't leave the magic behind for the following generations.
Basically, a parent who wants his kids to enjoy the game, but can't. At least not in this incarnation.
I think that's what's being said, roughly. A lament. A barking at the moon.
Let me get this out of the way before I continue: I do not necessarily argue against some kind of toggle system for those who want to black out the nudity scenes (I know I would like such an option myself as I find the visual nudity rather forced and to be quite honest rather cringy, so they break my immersion pretty much on the spot).
To the point, as great as DnD is for kids (you certainly won't get any argument from me there) - I'd like to remind you that it is just as good for adults. Many adults completely lose their imagination as they grow older, and DnD is a great way to stimulate it which has a long row of health benefits. From increasing the ability to solve problems with creative thinking to lessen depression.
While DnD might originate from a kids' game, there is no good reason it should stay as a kids' game exclusively. I am all for more adult-"friendly" versions of it that can offer things that might be inappropriate for children - be it sexual content (without necessarily being as visual as it is in BG3 - but hey! That too if people like it), violence, psychological horror, corruption, gore and emotionally taxing plots and twists. After all - I believe that DnD should have games aimed at all different ages, including games designed for young kids, teens and adults individually. And while the game does not have to be exclusively for one of these groups, it is very difficult to design games that carter to all of these ages as children, teenagers and adults usually look for different thing in games. It is not impossible, of course, but difficult - and I believe that each company would do well to primarily focus on one of these audiences at the time, and in Larian's case it would be the adult audience.
After all, parents are responsible for supervising what kind of games their children play and while I do not necessarily believe in the age-rating system entirely, BG3 is labelled as adult content and hence "parental control" should not be necessary as I do not believe that parents have the right to force censorship on a grown child. Either you do not allow your child to play adult content games, or you allow it without censoring it. Let me just be clear: this is, of course, nothing more than my personal opinion and as such it is as valid as anyone else's feeling on the matter.
Sooooo... To summarize: I do not believe in the concept (or, more precisely, the nature of the NAME) "parental control" in a game like BG3. HOWEVER, I do not argue that there shouldn't be a option to skip or at least "textify" (DoS2 style) the nude romance content - but I wouldn't call it "parental control" as much as I'd call it something like... Streamer-friendly mode or something similar.
Yeah, I couldn't think of anything else but Parental Discretion.
Honestly, kids could play this game without most parents having an issue except for the nudity and sex in those "romance" scenes. However, a parent might also get upset if their kid is playing it and is told by Astarion, "I mean sex, Darling," and Lae'zel saying, "You will wonder what it was like to..." Even with fade to black.
It's kinda a shame. Could market the game to a younger audience if they didn't have it. But whatever. Too many seem to like the naughty scenes.
But, for people like me and streamers, some sort of censorship option would be nice.
Man! I sure could use this parental discretion suggested feature right now in grim forge. The dark dwarves have such potty mouths, and they are constantly repeating they're potty mouth comments. I know a lot of players will think that's funny, talking about the boss guys hoo-hah, and various things done with it, but I sure don't appreciate it. Up until this point in the game oh, the language hasn't bothered me that much, but yeah. It's bad here. It makes the whole experience a lot less fun for me.
Other than that oh, I am finding the whole new level very enjoyable. I think that is why I am even bothering to bring this suggestion up again. If I had a way to turn off their foul mouths, grim forge would be one of my favorite areas of the game so far.
So, for people like me who would like fade to black so we don't have to view porn to follow certain romance paths, or we skip it while shielding our eyes, can we get a Parental Discretion button in options that just fades to black? You know what happens and you just show them snuggling or something after, keeping the nudity out of it, etc.?
Oh, and maybe a censor button also to bleep out the swears.
It'd be nice anyway.
I do want to reiterate, I love this game. I just wish it was more like Star Wars in the obscenities and naughty bits department, and since so many like that stuff out here, at least let me turn it off.
I wouldn't expect that from this game because the ESRB is "M 17+". That means that this game is targeting adult audiences. I'm not sure if you are a parent, although it sounds like this is something you want for yourself. As a parent, just be care that your kids aren't around when those scenes are on or skip them. If this is for you and you worry about games having nudity or swear words, then your gaming style might be anything below the ESRB rating of Mature. Every mature video game has some nudity or cursing if not worse. Take GTA V for example, that game is very explicit. Where you can have a woman (prostitute) servicing you in a car and you can see it. The thing is that game is rated M, it's not for anyone who is under the age of 18.
Yeah, I know. It's just worth the ask even if it is a long shot.
Getting harder and harder to find fun fantasy games these days that are NOT rated Mature with lots of stuff I don't like in games.
If they did do something like this, more like myself could enjoy it more without all the nasty bits. It's an awesome game, but I'm only 44. I'm not mature enough to handle the the nudity and vulgarity.
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Yeah, I know. It's just worth the ask even if it is a long shot.
Getting harder and harder to find fun fantasy games these days that are NOT rated Mature with lots of stuff I don't like in games.
If they did do something like this, more like myself could enjoy it more without all the nasty bits. It's an awesome game, but I'm only 44. I'm not mature enough to handle the the nudity and vulgarity.
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Wait a minute. Now, I'm not sure if you are just trolling. Since you said you are 44 and not mature enough. How does nudity and swear affect you unless you are a very morale or religious person?
I mean, I play a lot of mature games with a lot of mature content in them; I enjoy adult games and I'm no stranger to nudity, sex, violence, non-consent, torture and other heavy adult themes, and in the right contexts I have no objection to them. I even pursue tittles with that kind of content, fairly often. I'm probably right on the extreme opposite end of the spectrum here compared to GM4Him in terms of this kind of stuff...
But when I play and have to deal with language where creatures are being excessively crude for the sake of being excessively crude - more than is even really believable; where they're referencing sexual acts and clearly intended them as insults, or referring to others as various sexual organs, and clearly intending those as insults.... I find that just... off-putting. It's quite possible to convey that these people are rude, crude and uncouth without all of that; it's supposed to be, in universe, a bit gross and unpleasant, yes, but there's a fine distinction between that, and genuinely making it unpleasant for the player. If the player is finding the experience to be unpleasant and off-putting, then it's detracting from the experience and the game, no matter how 'realistic' it might be intended to be. I personally do not care for it. I feel like it misses the mark very poorly.
Yeah, I know. It's just worth the ask even if it is a long shot.
Getting harder and harder to find fun fantasy games these days that are NOT rated Mature with lots of stuff I don't like in games.
If they did do something like this, more like myself could enjoy it more without all the nasty bits. It's an awesome game, but I'm only 44. I'm not mature enough to handle the the nudity and vulgarity.
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Wait a minute. Now, I'm not sure if you are just trolling. Since you said you are 44 and not mature enough. How does nudity and swear affect you unless you are a very morale or religious person?
I'm not trolling. I'm both a moral person and religious. Trust me. I'd you read my other posts, you'd know I'm not trolling.
I love games like this, but the life and crude are, in my opinion, not necessary to the overall game and just make it harder for people like me to enjoy them. I don't normally have the ability to petition a game I really like while it is being created, otherwise I'd be doing this very same thing for other games.
Fantasy is my favorite genre. I'm a long-term D&D fan with over 25 years of experience as a DM, but I'm a clean DM. I don't do sex or excessive vulgarity in my sessions. We play for the story and the interaction and such. We play Star Wars style (original movies). Serious and exciting, adventurous and fun.
And more and more video games are moving away from that to sex and vulgarity. It saddens me because video game D&D is the only way I get to be a player instead of the story teller and referee.
Did Neverwinter Nights need this stuff? It had some, but limited. Nothing substantial. Same with it's sequel. Same with BG1 and 2 and Icewind Dale. I love those games, and it saddens me greatly that this game has to have such illicit sex scenes and now the unnecessary, and repetitive vulgarity in Grymforge where they repeat the same lines over and over again.
If I at least had a way to turn it off...
Oh, and I was kidding about not being mature enough. I just said that because some people think sex and vulgarity are a maturity thing as opposed to simply being a moral or preference thing. I'm a married man very much in love with my wife. I don't need pixel porn in my life... Or any type for that matter.
My parents were nudists, and I saw plenty of naked bodies growing up. It actually doesn't phase me in that regard. If anything, I'm desensitized to it. I just find it totally disgusting watching anyone having sex, and pixel representations of people having sex is even more unpleasant. Anytime it starts, I try to hastily skip. Sex is very private and personal, in my opinion, and I'd love it if more people kept it that way.
Yeah, I know. It's just worth the ask even if it is a long shot.
Getting harder and harder to find fun fantasy games these days that are NOT rated Mature with lots of stuff I don't like in games.
If they did do something like this, more like myself could enjoy it more without all the nasty bits. It's an awesome game, but I'm only 44. I'm not mature enough to handle the the nudity and vulgarity.
😇
Wait a minute. Now, I'm not sure if you are just trolling. Since you said you are 44 and not mature enough. How does nudity and swear affect you unless you are a very morale or religious person?
I'm not trolling. I'm both a moral person and religious. Trust me. I'd you read my other posts, you'd know I'm not trolling.
I love games like this, but the life and crude are, in my opinion, not necessary to the overall game and just make it harder for people like me to enjoy them. I don't normally have the ability to petition a game I really like while it is being created, otherwise I'd be doing this very same thing for other games.
Fantasy is my favorite genre. I'm a long-term D&D fan with over 25 years of experience as a DM, but I'm a clean DM. I don't do sex or excessive vulgarity in my sessions. We play for the story and the interaction and such. We play Star Wars style (original movies). Serious and exciting, adventurous and fun.
And more and more video games are moving away from that to sex and vulgarity. It saddens me because video game D&D is the only way I get to be a player instead of the story teller and referee.
Did Neverwinter Nights need this stuff? It had some, but limited. Nothing substantial. Same with it's sequel. Same with BG1 and 2 and Icewind Dale. I love those games, and it saddens me greatly that this game has to have such illicit sex scenes and now the unnecessary, and repetitive vulgarity in Grymforge where they repeat the same lines over and over again.
If I at least had a way to turn it off...
Oh, and I was kidding about not being mature enough. I just said that because some people think sex and vulgarity are a maturity thing as opposed to simply being a moral or preference thing. I'm a married man very much in love with my wife. I don't need pixel porn in my life... Or any type for that matter.
My parents were nudists, and I saw plenty of naked bodies growing up. It actually doesn't phase me in that regard. If anything, I'm desensitized to it. I just find it totally disgusting watching anyone having sex, and pixel representations of people having sex is even more unpleasant. Anytime it starts, I try to hastily skip. Sex is very private and personal, in my opinion, and I'd love it if more people kept it that way.
Kudos to you for being the type of person you are. The thing is that those things you personally don't like, is what sells the most. As the example I gave you previously with the game Grand Theft Auto V. One of the biggest money makers in games, has a lot of sex, nudity and vulgarity. It's saturated with it. It even has gambling. This is unfortunately what makes money and in business standards, it's good for business. The other thing is that these types of content actually has a big fan base. People like this stuff, even if you don't like it. Companies are going to side with the bigger fan base. The shareholders are going to see that all these sinful content makes money and they are going to chose to keep it. Like Rockstar the makers of Grand Theft Auto who will literally tell parent about their kids seeing nudity in GTAV, "Not my problem, you're the parent." They act like that why? Because the majority of the fan base likes it. You can ask for parental discretion but because BG3 has an ESRB of M, they are legally protected by that and are not required to make any changes.
Yes. I know. But it doesn't hurt to ask.
"Ask and ye shall receive. Knock, and the door will open."
I ask with the small hope that they'll listen. Maybe it'll be a small thing for them to do, and maybe, just maybe, they'll squeak it in.
And who knows, if they advertised that they did it, maybe, just maybe, they could squeak out a few more sales because though I'm in the minority, as many believe, people like me still exist.
Besides, some parents might just let their teenagers and kids play it if they knew they could lock out the junk.
And streamers too.
I mean, I play a lot of mature games with a lot of mature content in them; I enjoy adult games and I'm no stranger to nudity, sex, violence, non-consent, torture and other heavy adult themes, and in the right contexts I have no objection to them. I even pursue tittles with that kind of content, fairly often. I'm probably right on the extreme opposite end of the spectrum here compared to GM4Him in terms of this kind of stuff...
But when I play and have to deal with language where creatures are being excessively crude for the sake of being excessively crude - more than is even really believable; where they're referencing sexual acts and clearly intended them as insults, or referring to others as various sexual organs, and clearly intending those as insults.... I find that just... off-putting. It's quite possible to convey that these people are rude, crude and uncouth without all of that; it's supposed to be, in universe, a bit gross and unpleasant, yes, but there's a fine distinction between that, and genuinely making it unpleasant for the player. If the player is finding the experience to be unpleasant and off-putting, then it's detracting from the experience and the game, no matter how 'realistic' it might be intended to be. I personally do not care for it. I feel like it misses the mark very poorly.
For me, this would be a day hanging out with the people I worked with back in the day, or most of this Sunday, where I'll be riding in a Toy Run, with a bunch of other bikers. I was born a Navy Brat. I've been in the military, and I've worked as a bouncer at strip clubs. I worked construction for years. My niece posted a meme where it was commenting on flipping a friend a bird, and I said "So you're just saying "mornin'", because good morning would have taken both hands". Yes, if it's not talking to my mom, or my younger niece on the phone, don't put me on speaker. So I don't find the language "off-putting", but more of a thing that, before I became largely confined to my house, 16 years ago, was part of my daily routine. My foreman once commented that his penis was short, but could touch the sides of a tuna can. I asked him if it really counts if it takes a half hour to do it.
I'm down for the fade to black suggestion, as I've repeatedly stated, I may even use it myself. I'm not all that fussed about getting sex scenes. Not because I find them offensive, or "off-putting", but because it just doesn't matter if they're there or not. With very few exceptions, I'm not gay, so I don't do gay romances, I've probably actually done most of it in real life. I tried to stop one of the strippers at the club from trying to remove the elastic off my underwear on stage during a birthday lap dance, because I was running Commando that day. It didn't work, but I tried. So it's definitely not that it bothers me in the slightest, just that I've been there, done that, and it's like billiards for me. It's fun and all, but I'd really rather play, than watch. Short of completely rewriting the game though, I'm not sure how they deal with language. One man's trash is another man's treasure, and all, and while the language isn't really a treasure for me, it's not something that I haven't heard, on a daily basis.
I'll live with it if they don't implement this, but it will ruin my experience a bit... Make it less fun for me.
That said, when I play the good path (did evil this time just to get to new content faster and to see what it was like; disappointed Minthara's not a companion yet) it probably won't be an issue. I'll likely kill all the duergar anyway. Then I won't hear their smut talk.
Now isn't that ironic? To not hear vulgarity I have to murder a bunch of people? Is this really the good path?
Lol
Mass murder, torture and enslavement are perfectly acceptable artistic paradigms but use naughty words, now that's just evil. Almost everything born on planet earth is a product of sex from plants to ...well you, so to be offended by its expression is somewhat paradoxical imo. What exactly is so offensive about human anatomy that it requires burring out? Genuine question. It isn't even a real person bare in mind, it is essentially the 21st century equivalent of a book. The graphical representation of a pen and paper game developed in 1974 intended to be a game of the imagination.
I am Christian I am not puritanical. Freedom of expression is the freedom to be offended as believe it or not to "take offence" is the expression from which this human right was derived. Having seen the horrors of war I gained a new respect for this freedom. When the realities of the world come knocking, naughty words and boobs aint gonna bother you.
I am uncomfortable with crude sexual vulgarity, not offended by it. I think it is probably best that there are filters for those with sensitive feelings but wouldn't this remove from the experience of an RPG? Just curious. If the genuinely evil Duergar spoken the queens English and paid their workers a fair wage with retirement benefits, paid holidays etc. then they would be the good guys right? Unless of course workers rights offends you ideologically for some reason? See what I did there? Everything is offensive to someone, nothing is offensive to everyone.
I do find it interesting that the Duergar and drow enslave, murder, sacrifice and torture deep Gnomes (or anyone else for that matter) by the thousand but the moral objection to their behavior is their vularity. I killed them because my imaginary character was significantly more evil than they were and figured meh why not. Then I ate them.
I don't like it either, mostly because every game I've played with digital nudity has done it in a way that's quite cheesy.
But the swearing is what makes some of these characters' personalities. It's not overboard either. Now if they'd stuck ME in a video game, it's be rated AO because of the sheer number of F bombs.
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The cursing/vulgarity thing might be a bit much considering that's quite a bit of filtering, but nudity you really could do just the black screen fade then still be able to pick your dialogue. I'd certainly be down to use it if it ends up there.
Some of the dialog is pretty racy too though so it's kinda a moot point.
Although I don't like racy dialogue, it is better than having visual raciness. Images flash before your eyes, and they remain in your brain. They're there in a flash, and then gone, but their memory remains much more vividly than a simple description.
That said, I don't like either, but if I had to pick one to filter, it'd be the visuals.
Same with audio. You hear something, the memory of it remains a lot longer than reading it on the screen. I could read a racy book full of raunchy, steamy stuff, and the memory of that would not stick with me as much as someone going at it on a movie screen. (Not that I prefer either. I'm speaking more from past experiences.)
How about this for audio? Give players the ability to turn off background conversations. That would certainly be a VERY much appreciated setting. The words could even still pop up on the screen as dialogue text that's floating above their heads, but let me turn off background convos.
This would also, then, save me from the redundant "I care about our lives, OUR FUTURES!" conversation in the grove between Rolan and his companions. They drive me nuts!
I'd rather they focus on getting the game out. The sex scenes are completely optional in the first place. No one is forcing a romance.
I'm tired of waiting and the more stuff they have to go back and tinker with, the longer its going to take.
Gotta love how its okay for a kid to see people getting burned alive by oil, cut in half by swords, electrified, eaten by monsters, gored by animals and all sorts of gratuitous violence but please do not let them see a nipple or two people engaging in consensual physical romance.