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Posted By: Choosen of KEK The frog from hell - 12/10/20 10:07 PM
My 3rd level party was almost wiped by a single frog with just 12 hit points. The frog gave me just 1 xp, meaning I was probably missing some strategy here. And, it jumps around a lot. You can find this frog in the Putrid Bog area. It has some reflective effect on it that makes all your projectiles go back to the caster/shooter. And it has some pretty bad ass AC, making most melee hits miss. I ended up with rogue and fighter mirroring frog's jumps under jump spell and cleric reviving my mage every turn because the frog decided to go for the mage with its attacks. What did I miss here? lae'zel finally landed a hit, but it was like turn 5.
Posted By: Draekore Re: The frog from hell - 13/10/20 03:21 AM
I literally just encountered this frog. What in the hell is going on? I passed my skill checks, but it attacks. And it is literally the single most difficult monster I've encountered yet.
Posted By: Rhend Re: The frog from hell - 13/10/20 04:40 AM
He was a pain for his hps, but I didn't have nearly as hard of a time with it. He lasted 2, maybe 3 rounds. I just know he's infused with magic from Auntie Ethel. I wonder if taking him out first doesn't somehow weaken her.
Posted By: Veylandemar Re: The frog from hell - 13/10/20 07:52 AM
After killing Ethel, I encountered the frog and spoke to it with the Potion of Animal-Whatever. It led me to a hidden treasure bag that didn't contain anything too noteworthy.
Posted By: GunTheHuman Re: The frog from hell - 13/10/20 08:11 AM
Originally Posted by Draekore
I literally just encountered this frog. What in the hell is going on? I passed my skill checks, but it attacks. And it is literally the single most difficult monster I've encountered yet.

Same! I passed an Animal Handling check followed by a Slight of Hand check, "who's a good froggo?". Then it just attacked me, I was well confused. I just wanted a pet frog.
Posted By: Azarielle Re: The frog from hell - 13/10/20 02:05 PM
Same here, my whole party fell down from the rotten log (not the most careful person here) taking significant fall damage, then my ranger just wanted to pet a frog - oh boy did it wipe the floor with us. But I'm pretty sure that's intentional and find it rather hilarious
Posted By: Choosen of KEK Re: The frog from hell - 13/10/20 04:18 PM
Originally Posted by Azarielle
find it rather hilarious

Absolutely. Two party member under a jump spell mirroring the frog jumps, third party member reviving the mage every turn. I only later realized that Mage Armor is "until rest" spell that should be cast after you wake up.
Posted By: Azurinna Re: The frog from hell - 18/10/20 06:32 PM
I met the frog, talked to it, said it was beautiful, and it looked happy and that was that.. LOL You guys all had more fun than I did.. maybe I should have attacked!
Posted By: Newtinmpls Re: The frog from hell - 18/10/20 11:19 PM
Originally Posted by Choosen of KEK
My 3rd level party was almost wiped by a single frog with just 12 hit points. The frog gave me just 1 xp, meaning I was probably missing some strategy here. And, it jumps around a lot. You can find this frog in the Putrid Bog area. It has some reflective effect on it that makes all your projectiles go back to the caster/shooter. And it has some pretty bad ass AC, making most melee hits miss. I ended up with rogue and fighter mirroring frog's jumps under jump spell and cleric reviving my mage every turn because the frog decided to go for the mage with its attacks. What did I miss here? lae'zel finally landed a hit, but it was like turn 5.


Hmmm... I met it..had speak with animals on, and it was listed as "confused Frog" and I was friendly to it, and it went on it's merry way.

Of course I also had "speak with animals" on when meeting "the sheep" and we decided to just treat them as sheep and we all ignore each other...seems to work out fine.
Posted By: Vexor Re: The frog from hell - 19/10/20 06:20 PM
That frog was an unexpected badass.
Posted By: Tarorn Re: The frog from hell - 20/10/20 09:45 AM
He was - took quite some killing...
Posted By: fylimar Re: The frog from hell - 21/01/21 06:17 PM
Sorry for necroing, but I just encountered that frog. Normally I come to Ethels hut from the otehr side and never encountered that badass froggo. Is there a story to it? Is it cursed by Ethel?
I saved before talking to the frog, messed up animal handling and Astarion killed it with backstab. After that he turned hostile and attacked the party. I'm ok with killing Astarion, but in this playthrough, I need him as my trap finder and lock opener, so I reload, succeeded in teh animal handling check and the frog calmed down.
Do we get the whole story or is the frog just some interesting find along the way? I didn't found much on the net other than people were complaining about the frog being hard to kill.
Posted By: Nyloth Re: The frog from hell - 21/01/21 07:23 PM
Originally Posted by fylimar
Sorry for necroing, but I just encountered that frog. Normally I come to Ethels hut from the otehr side and never encountered that badass froggo. Is there a story to it? Is it cursed by Ethel?
I saved before talking to the frog, messed up animal handling and Astarion killed it with backstab. After that he turned hostile and attacked the party. I'm ok with killing Astarion, but in this playthrough, I need him as my trap finder and lock opener, so I reload, succeeded in teh animal handling check and the frog calmed down.
Do we get the whole story or is the frog just some interesting find along the way? I didn't found much on the net other than people were complaining about the frog being hard to kill.

This frog is really hard to kill...

But I don't understand, did Astarion attack the frog himself? Also, I think this is some kind of unfinished moment, just like with Ethel's mirror. I still haven't figured out how to help someone who's trapped in a mirror. When Ethel is dead, the frog is no longer aggressive and doesn't seem to attack you, but it continues to be just a frog. I thought it was an enchanted person or something like that. I used all of Ethel's bottles, but none of them helped me.
Posted By: fylimar Re: The frog from hell - 21/01/21 08:11 PM
Originally Posted by Nyloth
Originally Posted by fylimar
Sorry for necroing, but I just encountered that frog. Normally I come to Ethels hut from the otehr side and never encountered that badass froggo. Is there a story to it? Is it cursed by Ethel?
I saved before talking to the frog, messed up animal handling and Astarion killed it with backstab. After that he turned hostile and attacked the party. I'm ok with killing Astarion, but in this playthrough, I need him as my trap finder and lock opener, so I reload, succeeded in teh animal handling check and the frog calmed down.
Do we get the whole story or is the frog just some interesting find along the way? I didn't found much on the net other than people were complaining about the frog being hard to kill.

This frog is really hard to kill...

But I don't understand, did Astarion attack the frog himself? Also, I think this is some kind of unfinished moment, just like with Ethel's mirror. I still haven't figured out how to help someone who's trapped in a mirror. When Ethel is dead, the frog is no longer aggressive and doesn't seem to attack you, but it continues to be just a frog. I thought it was an enchanted person or something like that. I used all of Ethel's bottles, but none of them helped me.

No, in the first try, I botched the animal handling dice roll and teh frog became aggressive. I used the sleep spell on teh frog and then Astarion did his normal backstab attack and rolled a 20. After that, he became aggressive (not that he is the nicest person normally, but at least, he doesn't attack on sight grin.
I thought so. Maybe Ethel enchanted the frog to be a guard.
Posted By: RBarbare Re: The frog from hell - 22/01/21 12:41 AM
Take a potion of animal speaking. Or just walk on by. If you talk to it, there is exactly one option in the whole dialog chain that will result in combat - everything else, you may get some hints about it and/or Ethyl.

Fight option:
At one point, you have the option to say something like you could kill it by stepping on it. That starts the combat.
Posted By: A Clown Re: The frog from hell - 22/01/21 02:17 AM
Spoiler the frog is the sixth companion, ea is still working on his introduction
Posted By: Niara Re: The frog from hell - 22/01/21 07:00 AM
I've not engaged violently with this frog... but if it's only got 12hp, then surely a single dissonant whisper, or other leveled saving throw spell would do for it?
Posted By: fylimar Re: The frog from hell - 22/01/21 10:25 AM
Originally Posted by Niara
I've not engaged violently with this frog... but if it's only got 12hp, then surely a single dissonant whisper, or other leveled saving throw spell would do for it?

He has very high armor class or maybe it's some magic. But I was only able to kill him, when I put himto sleep first. He didn't take any damage before.
I did reload though, because I thought, he might be one of Ethels victims.
Posted By: Bufotenina Re: The frog from hell - 22/01/21 11:00 AM
Originally Posted by A Clown
Spoiler the frog is the sixth companion, ea is still working on his introduction

What ? (I'm not skilled in understanding if a single phrase is serious or a joke :P )


In my two runs I met the damn amphibious and always my party was baddly beaten. Now I'm gonna try again with a level 4 party.
Posted By: Niara Re: The frog from hell - 22/01/21 02:59 PM
Originally Posted by fylimar
He has very high armor class or maybe it's some magic. But I was only able to kill him, when I put himto sleep first. He didn't take any damage before.
I did reload though, because I thought, he might be one of Ethels victims.


Er, AC is irrelevant to saving throw spells.

I just went and poked the frog with one of my save files... just Dia, my warlock. Started combat, hexed it, and then cast dissonant whispers on it, it failed its saving throw (13-1), took 14 damage and died.

It's reflective mucus just reflects projectiles, and it goes away as soon as it does one, and it gets mirror image for free when combat starts, which in larain-verse means that it has a large boost to AC, which decreases with each miss rolled against it. It doesn't have any particular defence against saving throw spells, or any other source of guaranteed damage (as most leveled damage-dealing spells are)

It doesn't seem like it's meant to be a hugely challenging fight.... what's its damage output like? The couple of times I reloaded and repeated the fight, it never got a turn where it had control enough to attack.
Posted By: A Clown Re: The frog from hell - 22/01/21 03:00 PM
Originally Posted by Bufotenina
Originally Posted by A Clown
Spoiler the frog is the sixth companion, ea is still working on his introduction

What ? (I'm not skilled in understanding if a single phrase is serious or a joke :P )


In my two runs I met the damn amphibious and always my party was baddly beaten. Now I'm gonna try again with a level 4 party.

Ah I'm sorry it was meant to be a joke :P

As much as I want the frog to be a companion I doubt he will be sadly
Posted By: Bufotenina Re: The frog from hell - 22/01/21 03:55 PM
(ahah you and I would have really weird parties laugh mine would be my toon, Zazza the goblin, the white frog, and Us the intellectual devourer laugh laugh )
Posted By: A Clown Re: The frog from hell - 22/01/21 05:06 PM
Originally Posted by Bufotenina
(ahah you and I would have really weird parties laugh mine would be my toon, Zazza the goblin, the white frog, and Us the intellectual devourer laugh laugh )

+100 for that party XD
Posted By: Choosen of KEK Re: The frog from hell - 24/01/21 03:36 AM
Originally Posted by A Clown
Spoiler the frog is the sixth companion, ea is still working on his introduction
It is too OP to be a companion smile Has to be nerfed. Having said that, it would be nice to have it as a familiar.

Originally Posted by Niara
I've not engaged violently with this frog... but if it's only got 12hp, then surely a single dissonant whisper, or other leveled saving throw spell would do for it?
The thing reflects all magic and projectiles, has a very high AC and maintains the distance by jumping. You basically have to become the frog to match that level of skill (jump spell on melee characters and hope they eventually hit, took me a few turns and a couple of revivals). I am doing my 2nd walkthough as a Ranger so may be I should indeed try to talk to it.
Posted By: Niara Re: The frog from hell - 24/01/21 05:41 AM
Originally Posted by Choosen of KEK
The thing reflects all magic and projectiles, has a very high AC and maintains the distance by jumping. You basically have to become the frog to match that level of skill (jump spell on melee characters and hope they eventually hit, took me a few turns and a couple of revivals). I am doing my 2nd walkthough as a Ranger so may be I should indeed try to talk to it.

Er, no, that's not accurate.

As I said in the follow up post...

Originally Posted by Niara
I just went and poked the frog with one of my save files... just Dia, my warlock. Started combat, hexed it, and then cast dissonant whispers on it, it failed its saving throw (13-1), took 14 damage and died.

It's reflective mucus just reflects projectiles, and it goes away as soon as it does one, and it gets mirror image for free when combat starts, which in larain-verse means that it has a large boost to AC, which decreases with each miss rolled against it. It doesn't have any particular defence against saving throw spells, or any other source of guaranteed damage (as most leveled damage-dealing spells are)

It doesn't seem like it's meant to be a hugely challenging fight.... what's its damage output like? The couple of times I reloaded and repeated the fight, it never got a turn where it had control enough to attack.

It doesn't 'reflect' magic at all. It reflects anything that it counts as a projectile, which includes magic missile, but doing so also dispels the buff, so you can target it with impunity after that, and it has no defence at all against saving throw spells.

This is just a case of playing smarter not harder.
Posted By: Choosen of KEK Re: The frog from hell - 24/01/21 07:09 AM
Originally Posted by Niara
It doesn't 'reflect' magic at all. It reflects anything that it counts as a projectile, which includes magic missile, but doing so also dispels the buff, so you can target it with impunity after that, and it has no defence at all against saving throw spells.

This is just a case of playing smarter not harder.
I don't know, may be it got nerfed smile It definitely reflected more than one thing on me, including a couple of arrows and yes, the magic missile. It was on a fairly old patch though, so may part of the challenge can be attributed to me not knowing the mechanics well enough yet.
Posted By: Niara Re: The frog from hell - 24/01/21 10:39 AM
I doubt they changed it, though it's possible (probable even) that it refreshes its mucus each turn (it didn't survive long enough in any of my checks). It counts magic missile as a single attack and reflects all three darts, but that still dispels the mucus once it does so. Anything that forces a save instead, such as burning hands, dissonant whispers, etc., will work just fine.
Posted By: Adiktus Re: The frog from hell - 27/01/21 05:45 PM
It spits poison (IIRC) with a splash zone, which deals a fair chunk of damage - comparable to the Spider Matriarch.
Posted By: ldo58 Re: The frog from hell - 07/02/21 03:04 PM
When my ranger talked to the frog, it said it wanted to be killed.
But fighting it was a disaster. Only after a sleep spell and a powered whack from Lae"zel 's greatsword was its misery ended.
But then Lae'zel went mad and attacked the rest of the party. Fortunately the madness subsided after a round or two.
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