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"breasts aren't sexual!!!"
--meanwhile, billions of dollars being made through topless bars and magazines and only fans sites and etc and etc and etc.
You can scream all day about what you think the world should be, and you can insist till your blue in the face that the *only* sexual parts are in the crotch, but the world keeps turning and breasts continue to be sexual in the actual culture you live in. Whether you turn a blind eye to it or not.
The problem with the logic of "objectification = bad" that's being pawned off here is that it's shallow. You could say the same about feet nowadays.
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"breasts aren't sexual!!!"
--meanwhile, billions of dollars being made through topless bars and magazines and only fans sites and etc and etc and etc.
You can scream all day about what you think the world should be, and you can insist till your blue in the face that the *only* sexual parts are in the crotch, but the world keeps turning and breasts continue to be sexual in the actual culture you live in. Whether you turn a blind eye to it or not.
The problem with the logic of "objectification = bad" that's being pawned off here is that it's shallow. You could say the same about feet nowadays. I'm open to hearing the argument, but I don't think so. People who are into feet that way are such a small minority. It's more a fringe thing that's generally considered a little bit weird by the mainstream popular culture. Bordering on gross in some estimations.
Last edited by JandK; 28/10/22 04:51 PM.
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"Small minority", meanwhile in the Victorian age the world was globally affected by the sexuality of ankles.
And in today's day and age, the sexual objectification of feet has become so widespread that it is negatively impacting women, by making the majority of them uncomfortable and some places in the world even imposing rules upon women because of how widespread it is becoming, including America.
Not bad for a small irrelevant minority.
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"Small minority", meanwhile in the Victorian age the world was globally affected by the sexuality of ankles.
And in today's day and age, the sexual objectification of feet has become so widespread that it is negatively impacting women, by making the majority of them uncomfortable and some places in the world even imposing rules upon women because of how widespread it is becoming, including America.
Not bad for a small irrelevant minority. Like I said, I'm open to the argument, but I think you're pushing an exaggeration as far as you can. I dare say a "foot fetish" is labeled a fetish for a reason, in that it is a fringe issue. As for your Victorian assertions, first, I'm not sure what your point is, and second, much of that is misunderstanding and myth. But again and more importantly, I'm not sure what your point is. I say that breasts are sexualized in this culture. You respond that you think ankles used to be sexualized. I suggest that you're feeding into a well known myth, but regardless, I never made any arguments about what's sexualized in any other culture.
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You can scream all day about what you think the world should be, Exactly how we've improved it.
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You can scream all day about what you think the world should be, Exactly how we've improved it. Given the current state of education, politics, crime, and overall victim chasing, I'm not exactly sure where all those improvements are. But that aside, I'm certainly not trying to tell folks what they think the world should be. I'm just saying that breasts are clearly sexual in this culture. It's not even debatable. Again, there's entire industry based on the sexuality of breasts in modern culture. Now, you can say that's harmful to women. And someone else could easily argue that it's actually helpful to women. Goodness knows the subject isn't as simple and shallow as polite blanket statements presented thus far would suggest. Either way, it's a completely different argument. Whether you think it's harmful, helpful, or somewhere in between... it doesn't change the fact that breasts are sexual in this culture. And barking at the moon while pretending otherwise doesn't change that.
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Dear Larian.
I have been told this forum is a good way to reach you, so here I am.
My only request related to Baldur's Gate 3 is this.
Please give me the option for my (female) characters to not wear a shirt/bra/etc. when I feel like not wearing one.
I look to D&D and its ilk for escapism from the frustrations I have with the real world, and a big factor in that frustration is the prevalence of nipplephobic attitudes and policies.
I honestly don't care if it's a day 1 DLC that adds the option, an "AO" version of the game(if the ESRB is that sexist), or something like that, but I really don't want to rely on the unreliable and tedious nature of mods (I rarely find topless but not nude ones, btw) and I'm only asking for in-game topfreedom, not even full nudity.
I like to think that fantasy worlds like D&D wouldn't discriminate towards women's right to go bare-chested, when it's normal to see, for example, female warriors or rulers. They often talk about equal rights, but that should extend to the in-universe nudity standards too, I believe.
Maybe it could be an option that can be toggled in the game menu, so as to not bother those who disagree with me.
@everyone: I am not open to any kind of debate, and I'm aware of the reasons why most game companies wouldn't do this. I am only posting this as a message to Larian Studios. In case this does not become a feature by the time the game releases, I will make it a mod and post it on the Nexus Mods so it's ready prior to release and properly maintained after through it's patch cycle.
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I must say : I'm glad that people like Crimsomrider, Niara, fylimar and Piff (among others) are on this forum. In truth, I dreaded the reactions to OP's suggestion but thank you for restoring some of my faith in humanity  I'm fine with this option to be added in the game of course. If some people want to free their nipples (without picking a male character since it's already feasible with male character), let them. You can scream all day about what you think the world should be, Exactly how we've improved it. An excellent point.
Last edited by MelivySilverRoot; 28/10/22 06:23 PM.
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Given the current state of education, politics, crime, and overall victim chasing, I'm not exactly sure where all those improvements are. Well I can only speak for my neck of the woods, but things are significantly better here than when I was born. Just to use one tiny example my daughter will be graduating next year from University and has already begun her career thanks to a lot of hard work during summer breaks. She has a bright future in business ahead of her. When I was born it wasn't even legal for my mother to have her own bank account without my father's signature. Women didn't get this far without making some noise. If they had sat around waiting for men to change they'd still be waiting. However getting back on topic, I think the option is fine and its good to see the Modding community doing so much to enhance the BG3 experience. There were many excellent Mods for DOS2 that really improved the game.
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Joined: Jun 2021
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Meanwhile im over here like hey Larian can you please make scribing and casting of spell scrolls actually restricted to the proper classes please it’s been years…
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However getting back on topic, I think the option is fine and its good to see the Modding community doing so much to enhance the BG3 experience. There were many excellent Mods for DOS2 that really improved the game. Body mods are almost always the first mods I get, and I usually pick the nude option if there is one. Sometimes it's difficult, because i don't like the most popular body mod for some reason, but either have to just suck it up and use the popular mod, or suffer through trying to tweak things myself to work with my preferred mod. For this game though the first mod I'll get will most likely be the party extender.
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Joined: Oct 2022
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It's funny because we already have nude player models in this game, they get used for the sex scenes, and the underwear is a separate added layer. I don’t know if all games or done the same way, but during EA of PoE2 in one update one of the sidekicks’s model became completely nude by defoult. Character artist explained that the6 first create full character model and then add clothes on top for accuracy - the wrong model just got patched in by accident. Given that there is already nudity and sex in this game, you would think that asking for a nude option alongside underwear wouldn't be a big thing, but here we are. It’s a bit like asking why a character doesn’t run with his willy out in a movie if there is a sex scene in it, no? Returning to PoE2 - it has full nudity as well, but in scenario that it makes sense, not having characters running around with their tits or John out. One can quote certain tribal cultures where it is socially acceptable, but D&D ain’t that, is it? At least not the part we have seen so far in BG3. Everyone else goes around fully clothed. But then again, I am not one to make my characters run in the underwear, which should also garner some reaction, and I doubt the game accounts for that. Whatever, I don’t care. And yes, there are digital soft porn scenes in the game. It’s stupid and I feel for people who have to make this shit happen. I suppose I just don’t see it as a thing that’s anything worthwhile to the game to begin with. Comparing breasts to penises is not, and never has been, fair. That would be vulvas you're thinking of. A woman walking around bare-chested is kind of like if a man was... walking around bare-chested. Anyone who gets upset, disturbed, or out of control horny every time they see tits, specifically on women... really just needs to get used to seeing them in non-sexual context, and stop thinking about them like they're sex organs, when in fact it's how babies eat. Sex organs don't go in baby mouths; lady nipples do; big difference. Is it an erogenous zone? Pretty often, yeah. But so can be... thighs, ribs, belly, neck, back, lips... uh, basically anything. Are tits attractive? Sure! But so are... Well, see above.
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stranger
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Damn sexist bigots in here.
"Women are so opppressed. And it's all MEN'S fault. MEN are ALL at fault and inherently EVIL." (Yes, slight hyperbole)
Don't be sexist towards men and then claim that men are sexist! That's peak hypocrisy.
I mean, I do understand that many of you folks live in religious countries or whatever. So ymmv. But there are societies where women have been truly equal and not sexualized WAY BEFORE the woke mob existed.
On topic: Yes, make naked breasts a thing! The majority of male gamers will agree. Most of them because they find breasts pretty, and that's 100% ok.
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How to get a thread locked speedrun any% - Unlocked.
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