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most the blog is just rehashed or mistakes but what i take from it is Larian will prob break up over xmas, pushing release date back by at least another month

rehashed;
there will be 3 acts... we knew that
the boss said... we knew that as well

mistakes;
the EA is Steam... its also Gog and Stadia but after Xmas it will only be Gog and Steam
Larian is double down on testing... we know from experience this isn't true because we can see the current state of the builds they put out to the public

the dress up as ninja part is fun fuller and wish them luck


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Originally Posted by Flooter
This is the first patch announcement that hasn’t gotten me hyped… I’m actually kinda dreading it.

Something tells me whatever game systems we get in Patch 9 will be in their final form, no matter our feedback. The UI will keep evolving, and I could see a whole new system (such as Day/Night) being kept as a surprise for release, but if they don’t fix bonus actions now, they’re not getting fixed at all. Same goes for reactions, scrolls, surfaces, going to camp etc…

I suppose that’s why Larian are ready to speak directly to community concerns: They now know what’s going into 1.0.
Im hoping some of this stuff will be fixable with mods

Id like a better ui with drop down spell windows like baldurs gate 1/2

The dialogs to have more choices that cause diffrent reactions

I hope baldurs gate is not destroyed, and we actually get houses to explore taverns, shops, and npcs with quests atm non of the buildings feel like a lived in house they all feel like set peices to me, I dunno how/ why this is to advise how to fix it though.


Dunno if its the verticality of all the houses feeling like a platformer set designed for fun battles, instead of a lived in rpg world

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at full release this game will set a very high bar …
This is merely your personal opinion. Don't try to present it as some universal truth.

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at full release this game will set a very high bar …
This is merely your personal opinion. Don't try to present it as some universal truth.
Not necessarily - the question is: high bar in what? Production value - certainly. Already D:OS2's full voice acting put preassure on other devs to do full VO, and it's coop support is second to none. Not an influence I want in my cRPGs, but it is some kind of a high bar nonetheless.

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One thing is for sure, BG3 is the prime pretender for the mainstream appeal bar. I have yet to see another CRPG with 350k views videos on Youtube in my country (France), not even close.

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at full release this game will set a very high bar …
This is merely your personal opinion. Don't try to present it as some universal truth.

It is my opinion yes but given the amount of positive reviews/commentary that exist over the past two years I think mine is not a lone opinion. Larian are still working on it too hopefully patch nine will rework some or at least one of the communities wish list requests - if that happens then it’s all on.

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at full release this game will set a very high bar …
This is merely your personal opinion. Don't try to present it as some universal truth.

It is my opinion yes but given the amount of positive reviews/commentary that exist over the past two years I think mine is not a lone opinion. Larian are still working on it too hopefully patch nine will rework some or at least one of the communities wish list requests - if that happens then it’s all on.
Yes, the "Larian is still working on the game" line is what has constantly been thrown at critics like me to try and shut down our criticism, claiming that we cannot criticize the game now because we haven't yet seen the "full" game. So I am eagerly waiting for the "full" game to be released, so that I can then launch into my criticism full-blast which the game will surely deserve. And I am 100% certain at that time people will move the goalposts and come up with new justifications for why I am still not allowed to criticize the game.

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at full release this game will set a very high bar …
This is merely your personal opinion. Don't try to present it as some universal truth.

It is my opinion yes but given the amount of positive reviews/commentary that exist over the past two years I think mine is not a lone opinion. Larian are still working on it too hopefully patch nine will rework some or at least one of the communities wish list requests - if that happens then it’s all on.
Yes, the "Larian is still working on the game" line is what has constantly been thrown at critics like me to try and shut down our criticism, claiming that we cannot criticize the game now because we haven't yet seen the "full" game. So I am eagerly waiting for the "full" game to be released, so that I can then launch into my criticism full-blast which the game will surely deserve. And I am 100% certain at that time people will move the goalposts and come up with new justifications for why I am still not allowed to criticize the game.

"it's not out yet, you can't judge it"

"it's just released, you haven't played a lot on the newest build"

"you've gotten 50 hours out of it, why play something that much if you don't like it?"

There's always a reason why people will ignore criticism of something they like. I almost wish people would simply say "I really like it, and I don't like hearing criticism about it, so please stop". At least then that would be honest. (the reverse is often true as well to be fair)

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Some subject are highly divisive. Things like reactions have people who want a lot of control and other people who like the current implementation.
Opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one but some stink more than others.

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So a generic statement of “we read the feedback” is enough to convince you? Where is proof of it? Anyone can say it and it’s empty words….

1) Where is the change to make companions not like a carbon copy of dos2
2) where is the ai revamp
3) where is the menu revamp
4) where are the nails that person asked for
5) where are the reactions that the community has written 19+ pages of feedback on.
6) where are paladins
7) where are the sex scenes.
And many more.

I not feeling the feedback, nor the love or the attention by the devs or the community manager they so adamantly screeched about. “ SHOW ME the SMOKING GUN”!!

Until we see it. They done jack diddle squat to listening.

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Originally Posted by kanisatha
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at full release this game will set a very high bar …
This is merely your personal opinion. Don't try to present it as some universal truth.

It is my opinion yes but given the amount of positive reviews/commentary that exist over the past two years I think mine is not a lone opinion. Larian are still working on it too hopefully patch nine will rework some or at least one of the communities wish list requests - if that happens then it’s all on.
Yes, the "Larian is still working on the game" line is what has constantly been thrown at critics like me to try and shut down our criticism, claiming that we cannot criticize the game now because we haven't yet seen the "full" game. So I am eagerly waiting for the "full" game to be released, so that I can then launch into my criticism full-blast which the game will surely deserve. And I am 100% certain at that time people will move the goalposts and come up with new justifications for why I am still not allowed to criticize the game.

Exactly; they want it both ways.

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Yes, the "Larian is still working on the game" line is what has constantly been thrown at critics like me to try and shut down our criticism, claiming that we cannot criticize the game now because we haven't yet seen the "full" game. So I am eagerly waiting for the "full" game to be released, so that I can then launch into my criticism full-blast which the game will surely deserve. And I am 100% certain at that time people will move the goalposts and come up with new justifications for why I am still not allowed to criticize the game.[/quote]

We will never agree about this …so I’ll try logic …..I really enjoyed Sword Coast Legends ….as I recall so did you….ergo I’m loving the hell out of BG3 so…………

You cant fault logic 😊

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You cant fault logic 😊

"My logic was not in error, but I was." - Tuvok.

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So a generic statement of “we read the feedback” is enough to convince you? Where is proof of it? Anyone can say it and it’s empty words….

1) Where is the change to make companions not like a carbon copy of dos2
2) where is the ai revamp
3) where is the menu revamp
4) where are the nails that person asked for
5) where are the reactions that the community has written 19+ pages of feedback on.
6) where are paladins
7) where are the sex scenes.
And many more.

I not feeling the feedback, nor the love or the attention by the devs or the community manager they so adamantly screeched about. “ SHOW ME the SMOKING GUN”!!

Until we see it. They done jack diddle squat to listening.

2) The AI has been improved A LOT since the beginning.
5) The COMA has told us that they are working on reaction.
6) The paladins is a class you will have. Because players enjoy more playing paladins than bards does not mean that Larian should implement it first... Paladins will be in the game.
7) There are already a few sex scenes in the game. Again, because players want to see Astarion naked doesn't mean than the devs should do it first.

Not sure your exemple are all very well chosen.

- They have removed surfaces from cantrips
- They have reworked the AI a lot
- They have reworked the UI a lot too. I truly hate their way of designing UI (mostly because I think players should not have to manage / fight with the UI so much) but it's better than before.
- They have de-coupled jump and disengage and they have made disengage a full action. This was a HUGE improvement and we had created TONS of long thread about this.
- They have removed highground/basktab advantage/disadvantage. This was also a HUGE improvement that required TONS of arguments before they changed it.
- They added auto-jump, and even if it does not work properly (probably because their stupid chain system), it is better than it was.

There are a lot of "proof" they have listenned.

But of course there's also a lot of things I can't explain and I'd like to have ANSWERS.
A lot of other valuable threads were made to raise other problems and they never had any answer (the stupid shove BA, the frozen world, the lack of danger because of unlimited long rest / teleportation / lack of events when you rest and other things that would have make the resting system more meaningfull in the experience). Looks also like they have listenned but have then re-created or even increase issues they had shown will to solve (like with new surfaces items/consummables/spells - concentration broken too easily because of surfaces).

There were a lot of great suggestions to improve the game and solve issues at the same time that have never been "listenned", or maybe even read... they have listenned, but not enough ! It would probably have been better both for them and for us to "talk" about the biggest issues we have raised.

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Originally Posted by kanisatha
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[quote=Tarorn]at full release this game will set a very high bar …
This is merely your personal opinion. Don't try to present it as some universal truth.

So I am eagerly waiting for the "full" game to be released, so that I can then launch into my criticism full-blast which the game will surely deserve. And I am 100% certain at that time people will move the goalposts and come up with new justifications for why I am still not allowed to criticize the game.

So the other guy is trying to present his opinion as a universal truth, but somehow you know that the game will surely deserve your full-blast criticism?

Constructive criticism is fine, but trashing something for not meeting your standards, and belittling those who worked on it, are two different things.

I am not saying of course that you did, or will do the second. I have my own thoughts and skepticism about the game, and i will await to read your criticism as well.

I wish to remain positive though.

And i have seen some people on this forum, that just trash on everything Larian does, in a belittling way, i don't think that's a very good way to provide constructive criticism. Maybe some people are too involved with this sentimentally, and it's not helping them, so their sentiments speak as well.

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Constructive criticism is fine & I see plenty of well thought out arguments n the forums - no body really minds that - it’s the vitriol & nonsense arguments & statements that are just trying to pull something down which isn’t helping anyone.

D&D fans are a passionate lot about the license that’s for sure.

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Originally Posted by Tarorn
Constructive criticism is fine & I see plenty of well thought out arguments n the forums - no body really minds that - it’s the vitriol & nonsense arguments & statements that are just trying to pull something down which isn’t helping anyone.
In theory, I would agree with this, but then who gets to define what is "constructive" and what isn't? What I see on this forum far too often is that any and all criticism of the game is labeled "unjustified" or "unfair" or "vitriolic" and the critics are then viciously attacked and mocked for daring to criticize what "everyone" knows is "the greatest game ever made."

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We don't need someone to define what vitriol or constructive criticism is, they are established already.

The fact that some people attack any criticism, does not mean that there are not other people out there that just trash anything.

And if you have trouble understanding that, for example, including personal attacks or attacks on the capabilities of a company's members( naive or foolish writing among others have been used), is NOT constructive criticism, then I don't think there is any point in further discussion.

Some people are apologists and will defend anything, but others are just full of vitriol and attacks, and probably come from a different forum that specialises on that.

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Originally Posted by kanisatha
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Constructive criticism is fine & I see plenty of well thought out arguments n the forums - no body really minds that - it’s the vitriol & nonsense arguments & statements that are just trying to pull something down which isn’t helping anyone.
In theory, I would agree with this, but then who gets to define what is "constructive" and what isn't? What I see on this forum far too often is that any and all criticism of the game is labeled "unjustified" or "unfair" or "vitriolic" and the critics are then viciously attacked and mocked for daring to criticize what "everyone" knows is "the greatest game ever made."

Have you even read this very thread at all, let alone the forums? This just isn't true. Criticism and heated debates about whose criticism is the most critical is basically the majority of the forums, rather it's the few of differing opinion that gets misrepresented; As you kind of prove.

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Originally Posted by kanisatha
Originally Posted by Tarorn
Constructive criticism is fine & I see plenty of well thought out arguments n the forums - no body really minds that - it’s the vitriol & nonsense arguments & statements that are just trying to pull something down which isn’t helping anyone.
In theory, I would agree with this, but then who gets to define what is "constructive" and what isn't? What I see on this forum far too often is that any and all criticism of the game is labeled "unjustified" or "unfair" or "vitriolic" and the critics are then viciously attacked and mocked for daring to criticize what "everyone" knows is "the greatest game ever made."
That sounds hyperbolic. My experience of this forum is quite the opposite, there are a lot of constructed criticism from both sides of discussed topics and everyone is way more civil than any video game forums period. Your description fits Steam forums perfectly though.

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