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Glance - I will definitely go back and read the prior entry as soon as time permits. That is why I wanted to make sure you knew that my opinion came from a "snapshot" in time. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

If, you are indeed, seeking for an unemotional encounter between your two characters then that is great and you have definitely succeeded. Again, let me go back and read your prior work and I will no doubt add my opinions again ( <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> can't help it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> since I'm a girl <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> ).

Perhaps the transition from male to female might occur as he reaches for emotional maturity? (This is all very "tongue in cheek". I am definitely "picking" on the male readers here - not at all serious!!)


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Back on topic:

1. I'd still be curious about your views on "tone of voice" in telepathy

2. an afterthought on gender:
I can follow Elliot's and Kiya's line of thinking and feeling - that's human.
And that's the key - the reader is always human. I describe a creature, that has no human origin (though "education" possibly, however we know nothing of the creator's race, right?). But author and audience always are human - can one distance oneself from that - and more important; could one alienate the reader from his human view and expectations; and, if so, should one?

3. Since the third part (the brain mainly) of the Lupogryph is "dragon" - please help me with your reading experience. I keep digging in my mind as to whether dragons are described "gender specific" in general. So far I come up with - generally no; a clear tendency to male behaviour, if gender is not clearly defined. (I can remember one instance of a she-dragon in my childhood (Mrs Mahlzahn from Jim Knopf, who later becomes the golden dragon of wisdom (Kiya will know) - and as "the golden dragon" it actually looses direct gender reference). What's your view on the gender of "dragon"?


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Telepathy => if I understood correctly, telepathy is an exchange of pics, cause we humans talk in words, but our thoughts are a mix, right? I think, telepathy should use a pic language (as in dreams). If we look inside ourselves => we hear/feel/see a cacophony of different voices, thoughts, colours, emotions. So, even a friendly and open approach can have undertones of fear or caution. I think, a telepath has a very difficult life in sorting out tendencies, hidden stuff (the thinker doesn't know himself). So, it depends on Lupo's ability how deep he can "see", feel, take up and evaluate.

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I say yes - just from my view as a reader => I love being surprised, teased and being lead astray by the writer and his/her world of imagination. One thing: I was surprised and wondered about Lupo's non-reaction of being touched, I became curious => why? Will the story explain further on? So, this part caught my attention, draws me to the char.

Dragon gender => hmm, I think a dragon is a dragon in the first place. Their life span is so long compared to humans, they need not fall for a gender trap and gender cliches - though they need gender to reproduce themselves. I personally like female dragons (sure, I know Michael Ende <drool> and his female dragon <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> ) If I understood your Lupo so far correctly: your dragon there represents the element fire, right? So, this is simply an old power, a way to approach => gender unspecific IMO. Now, why a gender then? I think it is easier for the reader to identify "he/she" instead of the distanced "it". If I take dragons as ancestors of reptiles => they all had gender: crocodiles, lizards, iguanas, chameleons etc. And zoology states gender behaviour clearly. In Lupo's case => so far I see the fiery element. I think it might be nice, if your creature takes up everything in a Lupo way => unique, as something new.

Glance, take the gender you feel comfortable with, where you feel you can write without wrecking your head to come up with a consistent char. Every human has animus/anima. So, why not let Lupo react in a unique way? sometimes male, sometimes female?
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It isn't just human though. As a general rule, male creatures tend to be more aggresive than female creatures because of the greater amount of testosterone. A large part of creature behaviour is chemical, and that affects behavioural tendencies.

Dragons - either sex is good. I think the most important thing is to define Dragon culture, and then allow for sexual behavioural variance. That way, your dragons will act like dragons, but gender will still affect individual behavioural patterns.

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Oh yeah - telepathy.

Humans think in a mixture of words, pictures, and associated feelings. Strictly speaking, getting the feelings too would make you a telempath rather than a telepath, but most people just use telepath anyway as it's easier and less obscure <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

One who only feels (And/or can affect) the feelings of others is, of course, an empath - hence the combination word <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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OK - the reworked and completed (!) chapter can be found here:

The Naming

and I am drained (It's been a hard night's day).

Now is the occasion for the polishing of vocabluary <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
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I've heard that animals are sometimes able to communicate telepathically - through pictures and words, sometimes. Only the human part needs to be trained ... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />


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I'm confused! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

I have seen all of the following:

Elf: Elves - Elfs; elven - elfen -elfish
Dwarf: Dwarves - Dwarfs; dwarven - (not dwarfen or dwarfish, though)

What is considered correct spelling <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/question.gif" alt="" />


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I'm confused! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

I have seen all of the following:

Elf: Elves - Elfs; elven - elfen -elfish
Dwarf: Dwarves - Dwarfs; dwarven - (not dwarfen or dwarfish, though)

What is considered correct spelling <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/question.gif" alt="" />


Elf with a plural of Elves. (elfs and elfen are generally considered incorrect (i.e. non tolkien) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> of course it's your world...)


With Dwarf it's a little different, Dwarves or Dwarfs are sometimes used interchangeably. I favor keeping with the Elvish tradition, and using Dwarves, but most english readers won't bat an eye are Dwarfs.

(usually dwarfs is used to refer to a collection of individuals, where dwarves is used to indicate the race/species. Ex. A group of dwarven warriors (indicates race of all warriors), versus, The group had some dwarfs (indicates individuals were OF / FROM a race, but perhaps not the entire group))- although again, personally, I always like use dwarves for all such cases.

Yes dwarfen or dwarfish would be seen as "incorrect".





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I'm confused! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

I have seen all of the following:

Elf: Elves - Elfs; elven - elfen -elfish
Dwarf: Dwarves - Dwarfs; dwarven - (not dwarfen or dwarfish, though)

What is considered correct spelling <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/question.gif" alt="" />


You can blame Tolkien for this one. The originally correct English version is 'Elfs' and 'Dwarfs' but Tolkien disliked these spellings, so he chose to use 'Elves' and 'Dwarves' to indicate his races instead.

As Tolkien has basically redefined everything concerning those races as far as the English consciousness is concerned, his spellings are now so universally used that the language has functionally been changed so that his spellings are just as correct as the originals. In time, I suspect, the original spellings will be discarded entirely.

Language, after all, changes with use <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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I've recently discovered that I can still write again. Phew ! What a relief ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />



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The new Star Wars Fan Fiction Newsletter August/September/October 2004

Just for you to have a look how things are going on there at the TFN FanFiction boards. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


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That is a relief for us too Al. Really. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/kissyou.gif" alt="" />


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My first serious attempt at limited third person can be found here.

If there are any rules to the form, I think I shredded them heartily, but it's supposed to be humour, and I shall plead total ignorance besides <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

The heroes are original characters. Very original, some might say <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

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Yes, I've taken a short look at it. It's hilarious ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" />

By the way, here's a Survey in the Star Wars Fan-Fiction-Area. Interesting stuff !


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Yes, I've taken a short look at it. It's hilarious ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" />

By the way, here's a Survey in the Star Wars Fan-Fiction-Area. Interesting stuff !


Thanks, Alrik <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

In retrospect, I think it's more third person than limited third, and I feel it ends a little weakly - certainly compared to the start. But I have a soft spot for the League, and will doubtless write them again at some point <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Just off to take a look at your link now <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Alrik...

Looks highly adaptable in places, doesn't it? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I'm almost tempted to start a thread. Almost <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

(He doesn't quote you enough in the final piece, Alrik! I liked your responses that I read, though <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />)


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@ Elliot Kane -> welcome back! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

but then u never did go away, didn't u? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/xmassmiley.gif" alt="" /> nobody can ever do that. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

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