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I got the Stone Axe and the Dwarf Council Member is in place. However, I gave the Stone Axe to someone (the council member?) before visiting the King in the Dwarven Halls. I did speak the the King and showed him the incriminating letter to his brother the Mayor though--and he gave me the BP quest by telling me of the "rich merchant in Verdistis".

The problem is when I talk to Sir Patrick now, he says nothing about the Dragon BP or the money owed him. What am I doing wrong??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />


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Could it be you used a "killer sentence"?

http://www.kiya1.de/images/Div_Drag17.jpg.html

Here is a link to the dialogue with Patrick. If you used "let's forget about it..." once, you don't get the option for the armor, sorry.

http://www.kiya1.de/images/Div_Drag18.jpg.html

this link and the "next" option in the html shows you how the dialogue should work.

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Dragon Armour (58KB) - This is from a save immediately after getting the armour, before identifying it. This should reduce or eliminate the problems with items that have random stats. Even if it does morph, the stats are reset when it is forged with the Dragon Heart, so it will work to complete that quest.



But you can download the dragon armor if you wish - Raze made a fix-zip
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Does the "killer sentence" only appear as a dialogue option after you have been given the Dragon BP quest by the King? If so, I did not use it. If the option appeared earlier, then I am not sure but I don't recall doing so--I guess I can use the history option with Sir Pat to check....heh.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />

Thanks for the help--I appreciate it. I think you replied less than five minutes after my original question was posted! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />


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It's just a hunch in your case - I've played the game a long time ago, so I fear you'll really have to check your own dialogue book, sorry. I don't know, if this "killer sentence" (it's my word creation, BTW) pops up earlier or only if you ask about the armour.

Did you check my other link? Here I gave an example of how the dialogue should work. Sadly, this breaker wasn't taken out in the last patch - I don't know if it's a program code error or a "punishment" (fibbing and quitting the conversation), due to game plot.
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By reading your 1st post - I found all requirements in there:
- you gave the King his letter
- he told you about the noble in Verdistis
- this should normally lead to the dialogue as I showed you in my 2nd link.


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Grumble....I just checked ALL my conversations with Sir Patrick and I never even got the chance to use the "killer sentence", much less actually used it. I have the quest in my quest log, but cannot seem to get Sir Patrick to talk about the Dragon BP. Sigh....I guess I can finish the game without the Dragon BP, but I am baffled as to why I am not able to get Sir Pat to even *mention* the old, rusty armor he has...or the collection quest... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />


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let me recapitulate: you are not playing version 1.29, right? In this and earlier patch versions you needed to give the Dwarven King axe AND letter to trigger the Dragon Armour quest. The last patch allowed to give the letter only.

As you got the quest (quest log) - and your dialogue with the King really gave the tip:" noble in Verdistis" - Sir Patrick should have the option. Can you tell me which speech options Sir P. has and which your char has, please?
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[color:"yellow"]Edit: If you wish, I can look at my convo log with the King, make a screenie and you can compare it to yours? If so, please, confirm, I need to go into the game for this - might take some time, as I have over 100 saves [/color]

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and by the way the dragon armor is stupid scrap
i dont use it because its not good
so not to worry my friend <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


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I have the last patch, 1.34 I believe. The King told me about the rich merchant in Verdistis after I showed him the letter (already had replaced the Stone Axe in its plinth).

Sir Patrick talks about his problems with Sir Dante and also offers to lend me money (I have not borrowed any money). Those are the only conversation options I seem to get. There is no mention of the armor or the debt owed to him...

I am baffled. I seem to have done all I need to do, but it is not working....sigh.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" />


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Ok, I checked in my save => I had talked to the king and have the "dragon armour quest" unsolved in my log (is blue).
1. went to Sir P.
2. Dialogue was => well met, stranger .... someone broke into my house".

that's all. I exited convo and clicked on him a 2nd time => my char had the option => I was informed you have a powerful piece of armour, is that true?" => and this leads to the Lucius quest.

Hang on, I made screenshots - need to convert them

http://www.kiya1.de/images/Patrick10.jpg
http://www.kiya1.de/images/Patrick20.jpg
http://www.kiya1.de/images/Patrick30.jpg

as you can see => clicking on him for the 1st time leads to his remark about theft - I could only react innocently in Patrick20.jpg and exit the convo.

Clicking on him for the 2nd time gave me the speech options you can see in Patrick30.jpg.

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Thanks Kiya, but I got the "someone broke into my house" conversation first as well. However, when I talk to Sir Pat the 2nd time, I still don't get any mention of armor....

I went on to the Wastelands. I could go back for the armor with a save if:

1. I could ever figure out what the problem is, and

2. the armor was worth the trouble...heh....

The only conversation options I get are to borrow money and the "you are one of the richest people in Verdistis" which leads him to remark that he still has problems, etc. which leads to a discussion of troubles with Sir Dante...

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Thanks for all your help! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />


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If it is not too much trouble => could you send me this save, please?
Pack it with Winrar or Winzip and send it to kiya1@t-online.de

I'd really like to know what the prob is (I'm just curious). My version is English 1.034.

Maybe your dynamic folder is mixed up. If so, emptying would fix this - but I'd really like to look into it? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" /> Please? With pretty icing etc. on top?
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And the quality of the armor depends on the randomly generated stats it gets - so with a few reloads - it could be very good indeed


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After all the help you have given me (and lots of others), it is the least I can do. I will try to WinZip the save and send to you.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


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thank you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />
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The dragon armour is potentially one of the best sets of armour in the game, though except for the experience and level of Elemental Strike (IIRC) gained when you have completed the set, there is no great need for it.

Sometimes Sir Patrick is just stubborn, and talking to the dwarven king, Grisha and Patrick repeatedly will trigger the speech option. If that doesn't help, there is a workaround, described in a reply to;

FIX for broken Imp Council Member quest

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Raze, I could explode with pride => solved it and uploaded the save <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

Misterbill seemed to have missed this:
- either one speech option with the King
- or not talking to Grischa/smith with all speech options

In any case => he's got it now.
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Wow, it was like coming home after these BD months <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

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Using the save-and-reload trick, I got a pretty uber Dragon BP after about 8-10 tries. I was sorta rating them by the value after being ID'd, and was getting most in the 15-20k range, a few around 25-30k. I was about to take the best of those when I decided to try just ONE more time, and rolled up a 50k Dragon BP. I took that one....heh....

I never would have known to do that if not for Kiya, Raze, and others on this forum. Thanks all!

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