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Honey, you aren't writing in German. Drop it with the random capitalization.


Hello, friend. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Doesn't matter to me which language I write. I write, therefore the worde follow my command. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> It's like painting : The brush follows my hand, not vice versa, honey. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I am an artist; therefore, I am free to change the words to my taste as I see it fit. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I even feel free to change grammar and punctuation to my own taste. :9 I do this because I will do it, and I do not listen to the outcries of people whi consider their taste as "good". I don't care, honey. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />



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...dude, why split it into so many posts?

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In this exhitition you can see pieces of art for display, and use them - if you ish to do so - for you own inner discussion course. You are not allowed to use them in your own works, though.


Believe me, nobody with some semblance of literary competence would want to use them.

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Just today I've read a good book by Terry Pratchett - it's "Maskerade". It's not one of my favourirtes, but still interesting - if you read between the lines.


Right now, I feel ashamed to share an interest with you. *shudders*

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In Maskerade, for example, I learned a *lot* about masks - and what hey make of people.
I did not only learn the obviously visible things, I also learned what I perceived by reading between the lines. I came to some interesting conclusions about myself and about the world outsde - in internet forums, for example.


*giggles* At least you're amusing.

Whatever you say, buddy.

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In the last days, I was almost a witness of two car accidents on what you might call a highway. I said "almost", because it obviously happened only few minutes or seconds before me.

The point is, that without their speed, the car accidents wouldn've happened at all. The cars were simply too fast for their drivers to handle and they didn't notice. They still held the opinion - like millions of others - that they were still capable of that speed. The shape opf their cars proved them wrong.

At this raw fractions of seconds when their cars went out of control, they must've realized that speed was important to anything. At least during that particular moment(s).

Their accidents might've been single, rare incidents, but still they prove there *are* raw moments when speed does matter.


Still stands that "Faster, faster than you can imagine" lacks oomph in poetry. I think it's fair to say that in your head dwells not a single original thought.

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Hello, friend. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Doesn't matter to me which language I write. I write, therefore the worde follow my command. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> It's like painting : The brush follows my hand, not vice versa, honey. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I am an artist; therefore, I am free to change the words to my taste as I see it fit. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I even feel free to change grammar and punctuation to my own taste. :9 I do this because I will do it, and I do not listen to the outcries of people whi consider their taste as "good". I don't care, honey. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


"Omg, I can condescend back at you, and use a lot of smilies - at the end of every single sentence, even! - to show that I don't CARE NEENER NEENER NEENER!11!!"

*golf clap*

Now, first... good writers can break syntactical rules. Split infinitives, write in sentence fragments, and so on and so forth. This is because they know the rules. Like... oh, e.e. cummings. You? Not a good writer, nor do you know the rules. Sorry. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> No, "omg I'm artistic!1!!" isn't a valid excuse for piss-poor poetry. You see, you can smear animal manure all over a canvas and claim that it is art, and when someone walks by and goes "Eeew," you can indeed claim that, well, the manure follows your... er, paintbrush. But it'll still remain manure, no matter how pretentious you get about it.

I find it curious that, out of the whole post, you only picked out those two bits to dispute, by the way. So! Are we in agreement that the poem in question is tasteless and all-around hackneyed?

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1: I get the feeling you ignore what he's saying just because of the way he's saying it.

2: If his poems is so tasteless and all-around hackneyed why bother with them? Just don't read them. The only time I read things I don't like is when someone force me to, and as far as I can see, you're reading of your own free will. Maybe it has something to do with that you read them and thought it was a waste of your time, and now you want to get back on Alrik for it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />...

3: I don't like pepole who tell other pepole what to think. When it comes to taste, I've realized in my short (so far) life that pepole have different taste, and changeing it is... pretty much impossible. So, when someone comes in and start telling pepole what to think... Well, first of all it doesn't look nice. You get the feeling the person in question has an unhealthilly big ammount of self-esteem, since he seems to think saying what he thinks automaticlly means everybody else thinks like him. If that is the case, let me be the one who breaks it for you: it doesn't work that way. At least not if the person(s) in question has a little in the way of intelligence and critical thinking (and this forum has a lot of that).

A little humility would suit you. You MIGHT be wrong you know <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />.

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I am indeed reading out of my own free will, as I am sure you and everyone else here is. So let me counter; I am not forcing anyone to read, or to reply to, my opinions either.

As for the argument that it is all a matter of taste; well, I find that argument a little flawed. The appreciation of poetry may indeed depend on taste, but quite honestly, I am not sure we are even dealing with poetry. There are certain groundrules for poetry, after all, and these are not a matter of taste. Meter, rhythm? Has Alrik even heard of these things? Or did he just string random sentences together that felt nicely pretentious? I know where my money is.



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As for the argument that it is all a matter of taste; well, I find that argument a little flawed. The appreciation of poetry may indeed depend on taste, but quite honestly, I am not sure we are even dealing with poetry. There are certain groundrules for poetry, after all, and these are not a matter of taste. Meter, rhythm? Has Alrik even heard of these things? Or did he just string random sentences together that felt nicely pretentious? I know where my money is.


When reading litterature history in School some pepole were complaining about this when romantism changed to realism. That happened somwhere in the 1840s...
After that contence was more important than form in the general eye (exept some conservatives (not talking politics here, just taste)).

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Well, all I can say is, that for example Picasso did what he wanted to do, or Dalí for example or Gaudí, to take a look at architecture.

I think that some artists simple do what they see fit, no matter whether they break "rules" or whatever.

Some of them even get famous after doing so. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


And just to make sure : I don't do this because I want to become famous or so; I really do it only for mainly specially emphasize things. I partially developed my own diction in that.

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*giggles* At least you're amusing.

Whatever you say, buddy.


<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> What a troll quote. Brilliant in its inanity but entirely obvious in its singular use to gain a rise from someone.

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I think it's fair to say that in your head dwells not a single original thought.


I think thats possibly the most insulting thing I've ever heard.

Orangutan: Put up or shut up. At least Alrik has the balls to post his own poetry, his own thoughts and feelings on the internet. Something I would never do because of people like you.
Lets read some of your efforts, otherwise, leave him alone.


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When reading litterature history in School some pepole were complaining about this when romantism changed to realism. That happened somwhere in the 1840s...

After that contence was more important than form in the general eye (exept some conservatives (not talking politics here, just taste)).

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For someone who's studied literary history, you don't seem all that literate. Litterature? Romantism? Contence? Please. Oh, and if there's a valid movement for "content rather than presentation/form" alive somewhere, right now, point it out to me. With serious scholarly references, not "I remember what I learned from primary/secondary school." That's just pathetic.

And, if what you say is true, then I am sure you will be able to provide examples of professionally published books filled with the same sort of grammatical errors, awkward phrasing and other indications that the writer is - to put it gently - barely on speaking terms with English? They're aspects which, apparently, we so admire in Alrik's... poetry.

Note this emphasis: professionally published. That means published in such a way that the author actually received a monetary reward for the act of publishing, rather than the "author", out of sheer desperation, paying for it out of his or her own pocket because it is such crap that it will only be bought by members of his or her close circle of friends and relatives. Speaking of which, considering Alrik has expressed his desire to "self-publish" - in other words, to pay for someone publishing his work - may I express my hope that Alrik's circle of friends and relatives will be sufficiently large that he will at least break even?

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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> What a troll quote. Brilliant in its inanity but entirely obvious in its singular use to gain a rise from someone.


Oh, come now. Someone's bound to use it in a dramathon like this; I might as well call the dibs!

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Something I would never do because of people like you.


Aww, aren't you such a poor oppressed widdle baybee? Oh, the horror of complete strangers on the Internet telling you your work is complete crap. Your self-esteem must be fragile; do you genuinely care what "people like me" think, hmm?

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I think thats possibly the most insulting thing I've ever heard.


Ah, no love for honesty? How sad.

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Lets read some of your efforts, otherwise, leave him alone.


Look up Ebert's law, chum; thanks for invoking it. I totally expected someone to. It's oh, so predictable. Just like the rest of... well, everything else.

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Well, all I can say is, that for example Picasso did what he wanted to do, or Dalí for example or Gaudí, to take a look at architecture.
I think that some artists simple do what they see fit, no matter whether they break "rules" or whatever.
Some of them even get famous after doing so. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


Oh, dear, is that the siren song of delusion you are listening to?

To begin with, some (please note the modifier "some") qualified critics do consider Picasso, Dali, or Gaudi, or any other names you care to drop. But... do you deem your applauding audience qualified? After all, if they had the faintest idea of what they were talking about, wouldn't they have been able to compliment you on the on your meter, your form, or anything technical? Something beyond "Wow, this is nice"? I suspect their familiarity with literary criticism of any sort is about as great as, or less than, my acquaintance with quantum physics. Don't you notice how the compliments they so cheerfully give are terribly... generic? It's like an adult patting a child's head and saying, "That's nice, dear" without actually looking at what's being done. I could have given the same comments to any piece of poetry or prose without reading it at all. That's how useless, empty, and insincere it is.

As things stand, Alrik dearest, you are the pre-college student who thinks mixing pigments into the most hideous shades imaginable, then splashing them randomly on a canvas with your eyes closed, is "art" because the shoddier it is, the edgier and more artistic it is in your unschooled eyes. You are the emo teenager who thinks liberal repetition of "buzzwords" like "dark/darkness", "pain", "loss" and "nightmare" makes you perhaps creative and original (rather than banal because, well, it's been done and done better: ever heard the saying "You're different. Just like everyone else"?); that by breaking rules you aren't even that well-versed in yourself, you're maybe postmodern or avant-garde. But, thanks to your absolute refusal to learn your subject matter properly or improve, what you end up is like what these teenbrats vomit onto paper: generally not worth the cyberspace it takes up. The sad exception is that these teenbrats are generaly more than two decades your junior.

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Enough is enough. Your posts are insulting.

BTW You are completely <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif" alt="" />
If you want to give writing lessons to the forum members, you should open a new topic.

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how come u sound like someone i know? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> u're not new to this forum, are u? [/color]

Yep you remind me an ancient member of this forum, it was not an orangutan but a fox.

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BTW You are completely <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif" alt="" />
If you want to give writing lessons to the forum members, you should open a new topic.


Really, I would, if I had any remote hope it would make any difference. As it is, I fear it would make no difference at all, and since my time is rather valuable... Let's not.

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how come u sound like someone i know? u're not new to this forum, are u?

Yep you remind me an ancient member of this forum, it was not an orangutan but a fox.


Well, that’s a nice bit of trivia. But honestly, I don’t care whom I resemble, even if you think I resemble your long, long lost twin brother – that is, unless he was about to be handed a fat inheritance. He’s not, though, is he? *coughs* As I was saying, sorry, I simply don’t care. Contrary to popular belief, the Intraweb is not a happy happy joy joy land where everyone’s required to stroke Alrik’s ego and inflate it to ridiculous proportions – I doubt I’m unique in refusing to do so. It’s not terribly gratifying, and besides which, you all seem to do that so well already.

Oh, and I’d hate to be thought of as impolite, so…

Very kindly yours,
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Really, I would, if I had any remote hope it would make any difference. As it is, I fear it would make no difference at all, and since my time is rather valuable... Let's not.


If your time is so goddamn valuable, how come you're wasteing it here telling everyone how useless they are because they don't know everything about everything? You've obviouslly got talent and knowledge to do something usefull, like cure AIDS, solve the energy problem or stare into a wall.

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Oh, and I’d hate to be thought of as impolite, so…


Another truth from my side: You failed. Miserablly. In fact, you screwed up whorse than the guy who turned of the heat controller in the Chernobyl nuclear power plant on the 26th of Aprill 1986.

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If your time is so goddamn valuable, how come you're wasteing it here telling everyone how useless they are because they don't know everything about everything? You've obviouslly got talent and knowledge to do something usefull, like cure AIDS, solve the energy problem or stare into a wall.


Oh, but you misunderstand. Right this very moment, I'm working to solve world hunger and bring about global peace. The cures for HIV and cancer are nearly ready!

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Another truth from my side: You failed. Miserablly. In fact, you screwed up whorse than the guy who turned of the heat controller in the Chernobyl nuclear power plant on the 26th of Aprill 1986.

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Whorse? Is that... a Freudian slip? Is it the company of a lady of the night, she of the negotiable affections, that you crave? No need to be ashamed. It's a normal thing, after all, for a strapping young lad like you to want to experiment. Do be careful, though. I'd hate for you to catch something nasty. Try not to get yourself into a bind, either. She might come after you for child support funds at a later date.

Besides which, I think your sarcasm meter got broken.

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aaah poor Alrik one more topic down the drain due to some unfortunate individual with a superiority complex.

Alrik my friend do not let that stop you please continue, so that the rest of us underdeveloped people may enjoy such prose as "you" see fit <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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I don't think why I should answer here. To me, this case is closed. I have written what I wanted to, and I don't think I need further explaining. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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I don't think why I should answer here. To me, this case is closed. I have written what I wanted to, and I don't think I need further explaining. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


Pretty much my feeling too, even though my entries might just added to the tention.

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I don't think why I should answer here. To me, this case is closed. I have written what I wanted to, and I don't think I need further explaining. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

@ Alrik

Maybe you could commit suicide for being a bad writer. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />
















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*hint hint alrik... c'mon already <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> we all waiting in suspenders <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />


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[color:"pink"] we all waiting in suspenders <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> [/color]
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