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well, sounds like this is winding down, so I will just post a couple of final links for those who might like to continue investigating the UN and related issues:

about the UN and its history:

http://www.un.org/News/facts/

good place for open debate on politics and war, etc:

http://www.opendemocracy.net/home/index.jsp

Cheers, all.



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i feel happy.
(i wish there was some way to type how he said that. i think it's one of the best lines in the film.)


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i feel happy.
(i wish there was some way to type how he said that. i think it's one of the best lines in the film.)


Just before he gets clubbed in the head. If only it were so easy to get rid of annoying relatives. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
I personally liked the black knight.

'Come back 'ere, I'll bite yer legs off!'

Toe-the grey goose was a present from a friend of mine. I'm sure you can find it easily though. Very nice straight up.
I see the british killed 2 more of their own soldiers today. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Yeah, the bombing isn't carpet-style a.k.a. 'good old' bomber Harris. How many german cities did he level?

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Mickey, I don't know how the media in the USA function at the moment:


The news here function like this:
During peace: As bad as you can find no good news to be found
During war: as good as you can find bury the bad unless it is too obvious.

Of course I always knew this so take that in stride, I haven't been watching the news a lot but just enough to get the gist(sp?). I have yet to hear anything of civilians being killed, a lot of emphasize on the quality of our bombs being so accurate they could hit a nat, etc. I listend to more than CNN to but pretty much the same, going on and on about Saddam trying to use disinformation agaisnt us(The river seen), and not answering question during answer sessions. (not that I know of...)

Pesonally I thought the video of the iraqian civilian takign a shoe to Sadam's poster as soldiers tore it down, was <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> and staged (I mean he even posed/smiled at the camera). They used this event as (all iraqians hate sadam vibe) and keep on showing it over and ... errr.


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I was watching an interview this morning with some shaven-headed army tool spokesman on CNN. He was asked about the USA bombing civillians in Bagdad, in particular blowing up the market there. His reply was comical, stating that the Iraqi repuplican guard had done it to blame it on the US. Also there were some before and after shots of bombs blowing up supposed warehouses, military camps etc. which looked like any old building to me.

New evidence of WMD. In an Iraqi hospital was searched to reveal chemical warfare suits, nerve gas antidote and some other crap. Er, where are the missiles guys?

The Iraqis have so far shot 10 missiles into Kuwait, none of wich were scuds and were probably the ones the weapons inspectors were going to destroy. None were loaded with anything othere than conventional warheads either. All shot down by patriots.

So far the US has fired 200 cruise missiles at Bagdad, most of which hit thier supposed targets. And there are no civilian casualties?? Come on....


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This is highly interesting, although I admit I did not read every single post there is. I was wondering however about one thing. Is there ANYONE in here, and I mean any single person that fits the bill please say "aye", that does *not* wish this war to end as swiftly and as bloodlessly as can be? And if there is, mind you specifying why this is? I am not on an accussing mode or anything, and my question is merely a philosophical one.

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well, since i never wanted this war in the first place, of course i want to be over!


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of course i want this over with.

i don't like war any more than a liberal but i feel sometimes it's necessary.

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LOL- read this!! funny for everybody!

how to survive a terrorist attack


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hehe, that IS funny


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I want this war to go on as long as possible, I just love seeing people killed... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> Not really... Anyway I wanted to reitterate on the no good news during peace thing I said for Kiya, there are three exceptions to this rule.
A. Nothing else to report on so need to filll time frame...
B. Follow up of the really bad news(i.e. quick statement)
C. Seems to be a miracle...(their words not mine)

As far as news of this war goes I wathed 2+ hours yesterday and doubt if I watch any more till it is over this reporting is far worse than even last war. I got almost no information from CNN or the other channel I watched. I want hard facts not day to day life during the war of blow joe... I did however here about iraqian civilians being killed though but in a way you want like Kiya. Out of the 2+ hours this took up ummm ohhh 10 seconds(that what I meant by buried). On top of that they came off like this:

some reporter: "Our bomb are sooo precise we hit all our targets perfectly...Some Iraqians(hint of sarcasm) say that some civilians were killed but we have no reports from our people..." then later "Sadam's regiem is putting civilians in the middle of the battles on purpose...Idiot(no they didn't say this word but the way they stated it might as well) Iraqian civilians are just wandering around the streets in the towns that are being attacked when they should staying indoors."

Kiya does this give you a hint of our news style over here? At least last war they gave hard facts frequents enough for us occassional listeners to gather how many of us/them were hurt bombs used etc, but this one seems to be <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> stories about this one individual or telling what the troops are planning on doing(taking this bridge or just took this town(nice enough to show picture but not say where until much after fact. Picture helped me a lot not...Prob locals would recognize it easily though <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> ...)


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>>Kiya does this give you a hint of our news style over here?>>

Yep, it does <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" /> I prefer German regional TV - they have their reporters nearby - but I read between the lines, too. There are quite a few journalists who have spent many years in the Arab world and written books. BTW the rainbow press over here scolded a lot in the beginning, about Germany isolating itself, disturbing the German/American relations etc. since so many young people are demonstrating daily over here, refusing to go to school - they've changed their tone.

I fear the Vietnam trauma (in the US) could be added by the Iraq trauma... if we all will be informed about all details.

The only thing I can repeat over and over again: Being born somewhere is an accident of birth, nothing else. Developing own virtues, self-responbility, is far more important than being proud/ashamed of having this/that nationality.
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Kiya - "The only thing I can repeat over and over again: Being born somewhere is an accident of birth, nothing else. Developing own virtues, self-responbility, is far more important than being proud/ashamed of having this/that nationality."

Couldn't agree more... Have your own ideas about who you are and what goes on in the world, don't be a sheep. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


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[sighs] I hear from other american people that they are given no news. So, in a very brief report, the news are as follows: 50 american dead, most of them outside Vasorra city. 350 Iraqis dead, most of them women and children, another 2000 wounded. Iraqi communications centre bombed today at greek time 2.30 approximately (third attack) by tomahawk missiles in Bagdad. Bagdad hospital bombed this afternoon. Muslim nations announced Jyhad, muslims are gathering forces from every country. Turkey-Iraq front breached by parachooters, sorry don't know the time. I am currently listening to the news, and I will let you know when something important comes up (relatively).

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Holy crap! You serious??

Well of course you are, pretty sick joke otherwise. So, a holy war has started?
Great. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
Yeah, the US news is totally blocking this. This is exactly the same as vietnam. Truly unbelieveable. I guess the truth will come out after the war is over, Bush will fail to get re-elected and go back to being a drunk where he belongs.

Just in case, Faile, get the boat ready for tropical island paridise! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Bush will fail to get re-elected and go back to being a drunk where he belongs.


Maybe not with the way things are run here, I mean he has money... Even though I don't folow election much I was definately against him... If I had voted maybe he would of lost <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />.


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[sighs] I hear from other american people that they are given no news. So, in a very brief report, the news are as follows: 50 american dead, most of them outside Vasorra city. 350 Iraqis dead, most of them women and children, another 2000 wounded. Iraqi communications centre bombed today at greek time 2.30 approximately (third attack) by tomahawk missiles in Bagdad. Bagdad hospital bombed this afternoon. Muslim nations announced Jyhad, muslims are gathering forces from every country. Turkey-Iraq front breached by parachooters, sorry don't know the time. I am currently listening to the news, and I will let you know when something important comes up (relatively).


Really? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> Thanks for that news, keep it coming if you have the time to do so. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


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I guess that depends on how gullable the average american is and..... oh crap! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Yeah, he'll probably serve 3 terms, after which he'll proclaim himself grand emperor of the universe. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

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I guess the truth will come out after the war is over, Bush will fail to get re-elected and go back to being a drunk where he belongs.

Just in case, Faile, get the boat ready for tropical island paridise! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


thats if the war is even over by the elections. i heard the green party (which i associate myself with) isn't even putting out a presedential candidate this time. either a) they don't want to lose their funding, or 2) they're too afraid bush will get re-elected so they don't want to "steal" any democratic votes. this will truly be an election of the lesser of two evils.

meet me in california, i'll have a boat stocked and we'll aim for hawaii first. they still have one or two uninhabited islands. i think they used to put the lepers on one.


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Definately! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> I've got to get a solar-powered laptop though.


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