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I have a problem. A friend of mine has his harddisk split up in partitions. No big deal, but recently his son has expanded one of them and made a small mistake: he made it a FAT not NTFS. Result: he cant get to his data.

Question: how can this be solved without losing his data.

More info: Its a laptop with Xp (dont know if it has all updates.)
If you need more info, let me know. I'll ask him asap.


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does this help

Hey I know your pain. middle of the scool year laptop with all my projects crashed <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> lucky I had a backup from 1,5 months ago



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No big deal, but recently his son has expanded one of them and made a small mistake: he made it a FAT not NTFS. Result: he cant get to his data.



Yo Jolie, just one thing, your friend's laptop has two partitions, one is FAT and other is NTFS, and his son expanded the FAT partition, is this?


If yes, you can try some things.

1- maybe the program what his son used to expanded the partition have an option to back to the previous status (what is hard to happens). And if happens, maybe the data can't be recovered.

2- he can get the data what he have access yet and record it into CD-Rs and format the H.D.

3- he can send the laptop to the store, and ask for help, but i don't think somebody can help him on this problem.

4- The hard disk, when you delete something, these files stay there for a time, in "other section" of the disk, you just lost the files if you record something on the disk in the same area, you have some programs to recover deleted data, but i don't think this can help now, cause of the situation. Before you resize a partition you have to defrag the disk, cause if don't do it, with sure you'll loose your data. When you resize a partition, the table(fat) subscribe the other table(NTFS).

5- You can try to resize again the fat partition to the original size, but i don't think this can help too, if you'll do this use the same program.

6- Maybe have other way what i don't know.

7- He makes his son find a solution or......... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />


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Just one more thing, if you have more details about the partitons, and about what the boy did, this can help to think in other solutions. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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No, all partitions were NTFS. He had only xp. After expanding it was FAT.

But the information will have to wait till monday, i dont see him earlier <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sad.gif" alt="" />


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Hey I know your pain. middle of the scool year laptop with all my projects crashed <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> lucky I had a backup from 1,5 months ago


This will help very mutch i think. But i can only test this on monday <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sad.gif" alt="" />


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So i think i'll have to wait for more details, cause if all partitions are NTFS, i don't think he expanded one of these partitions to FAT, he can convert it back into a FAT (if already transformed from FAT to NTFS), i don't know but this is a little confused, i really think is better to wait for the details, cause now i can't confirm my previous response.


How is this expand what you talk about, and what he used to do it, i need to know to give the most better answer.


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So here's more info on the problem.

There were 4 partitions (all NTFS).
The boot partion neede to be extended. After that the comp started but couldnt find any windows software. (He couldnt read the xp). He probably used a disk for win98 (FAT) to extend the partition.

Would it be possible to go around this, if there was a disk with made for xp? With the disk i mean like the emergancy disk for win98.


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Lets see if i understood:

4 NTFS partitions.

The boot partition what you mean is the Primary partition right? What is alocated the boot section.

Now you trying to say your friend tried to create an extended partition or extend an already existent partition?

And the last thing, he can't extend an already existent partition with a win98 disk, just with other program, like Fips or MagicPartition.

If is just a boot problem, try to use the windows xp boot disk(The original CD, come with boot in it.) and try to restore the last estable configuration, or try to make repairs reinstalling the sytem.

Maybe your friend subscrible the MBR(Master Boot Record) and now he is having problems to iniciate the operational system, maybe he got a message like: No operational system, or Replace the disk an press ok, or something like this.

If you reinstall the windows xp, the system automatically will subscribe again the MBR and all will come back to normal, well this is what is expected, cause if is more than one partitions the others can't be affected by the problem just only the C:, the others just can't be inicialized.


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ok my sollution but could be expensive:

try to get an external/internal laptop hd combo, one you can put in your laptop and use as external hd.
The new hd should have a clean Win98 installation, nothing more, same size if possible, and if neccesary same partitions. Switch the 2 hardrives with eachother, boot with the new hd, and connect your hd wich is no in the external casing (drivers needed). The FAT32 system (win98) could be able to read the data, copy the data to a NTFS partition with enough space offcourse or on the new hd.

OR:

but more risky and less chance for succes is to convert or install a new fat partition, install win98 multiboot and try to recover the files. but only if he can afford to lose another partition with not that vital data.


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Hey Drag you forgot a detail, win98(FAT partitions) can't read NTFS partitions, but NTFS partitions can read FAT partitions.

You can use other H.D with NTFS, to recover the data, but with laptops isn't so easy to do it.


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Ok there might be a solution to this. Ok first there is some questions?
1. On the first partition( the one with fat now on it) is just his o.s installed on it?
2. If it is not just his o.s. would he be able to lose the info on that particular partition?
3. And if he loses the info on that partition would he be able to get it back easily?

But ok here comes a few solutions:

1. Try inserting the xp disk so that it can boot and try it to use the last good known confuguration.
2. No here comes the tricky part. Get a 98 boot disk. Let the machine boot with the disk and choose to boot with cd-rom support. When it has booted enable smartdrv from your a prompt( this is just so that it runs a bit faster). Then change to your c prompt and type in format c:\q form quick formatting of the c drive(this is the part where he loses the info on his first partition). Then when finished with the formatting type in at the command prompt( md winxp ) this should create a directory winxp on your c drive. Then type the corresponding drive letter of your cd-rom at the prompt to change to your cd-rom. Type in at prompt dir/w/p and enter. This should give you a directory listing of what is on the cd-rom. I cant remember the directory in wich the cab files are place but search for them by typing cd (and the directory name) when you have cab files copy the directory where they are placed to the directory you made on your c drive by typing the following this is just an example: copy d:\cab to c:\winxp. It should start copying the cab files to your directory on your c drive. When it is finished go back to your c drive by typing c: at prompt and then type cd winxp wich should open the winxp directory on your c drive. Just type in setupnt or ntsetup this would start the xp setup from dos. Run the setup till you get to the part where it asks you where you want xp installed and it would give options.If you want to format yout drive and convert it to NTFS. Choose that option on the c drive. After it converted the c drive to NTFS it will ask you to reboot. Take out all disks and reboot. It will automaticly take you back to the setup after you rebooted. Then continue with the setup it will ask you again where it should be installed and choose again the c drive but this time with the option to leave the file system intact. Then continue with the setup.

I can actually do this and any computer shop could do it. It is just very difficult to explain in words and over the internet. I hope this helps and if you have any questions feel free to ask. And if I can ask is there any forum member that can help me if I made a mistake anywhere please let me know?
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Drakonis is completely right, is that what i said before, but i don't think you need to do all these steps, just boot with win98 disk and format the C: unit, after of this, give the boot with windowsXP cd and reinstall it, choosing the options to change the partition system to NTFS, just copy the cabs if you want, but will take a good time to copy all cabs.

After of the c: partition is with winXP installed with NTFS partition you'll be able to learn the other 3 partitions.

Maybe is because i didn't had explained correctly before.


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Ok i know by booting with the cd you can also accomplish this. By activating smartdrv the cab files copy in a few seconds and dont take ages and the installation is alot quicker.
But I recommend you take the easy way and boot with the cd. It still has the same effect.
After the installation xp would pick up the other 3 partitions.

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Yes, i know Drakonis, i always used the method what you mentioned about copy the installation folder to the Hard Disk and after of this install the O.S, this isn't the situation here, but maybe you don't believe me, in my class room, in the begining have people what didn't knew how to do this:

Start - Programs - MSDos Prompt. (Or be, don't knew nothing about nothing).

And less how to use the command prompt.

We what have some knowledge about, have to make theyr way more easier as possible, cause sometimes you give some advanced tip and the person did it wrong and never solve the problem.

I'm not saying you're wrong, you completely right.


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Dont worry guys. I've printed out the whole thread and gave it to him. He also knows a bit about it and will check it out. Results to come <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />.


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Damm me and my technical mind. I should have thought about it earlier though. Yes for some people with exp it is easier and quicker to use the dos method. But now that I think of it for some people it is easier to boot directly for cd-rom and maybe less a risk than using dos.
Well now I have a story so listen here.
One of my friends is an instrutor at a college here in S.A. and in the beginning of the year when his first class came in he started to learn them of basic computer tools like for instance what is a keyboard and a screen but here is the funny part. When he showed them the mouse he said this is a mouse and most of the people jumped on their tables afraid of the thing he was holding in his hand <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
So I understand what you are trying to say and I am sorry if I misunderstood you.

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No problem man, my mind is technical too, i understand completely what you said. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />


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So i can delete this.

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No theres not important data on c drive, just os and programs.


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