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This is my first attempt for adding a topic in this huge forum... So please forgive any mistakes or bad English. Hope that the subject is new. If not, forgive me for that too.

Have you ever played Elder Scrolls - Morrowind? I was playing it before I buy DD and I can only say one thing : It was bad... Really bad...

The graphics of my char was very agly. I had to run and run and run to huge areas with no help, trying to find where the hell was the place I sould go. The battles... oh dear! I was clicking like mad in every battle. Magic was another biter story....
Not to mention that I had to read lots and lots of books... I only liked at first the music but it was the same in the whole game so in the end it stuck on my head and I could not get rid of it. It got on my nerves!

Anyway I would be very interested to hear your opinion about it. Am I mad or DD is really a much better game? (I think I know the answer to that). <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

Am I a poor gamer or Elder Scrolls is a poor game? (please do not hurt me... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shhh.gif" alt="" />)

I also played morrowind and its expansion pack The Tribunal. They both sucked. The story wasnt good. The combat system was too boring and the game interface wasnt nicely designed. The world was ok. IF u compare the worlds of two games DD is slightly smaller but u have teleportation ports so the world seems small.
I think DD is a much better game. U also need to read a lot of books in DD but some of the contain some quests so it is not as boring as it is in morrowind.
yeah there is a lot to say blah blah blah... i dont like typing so i ll stop here <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />... blah blah ..etc

I so much agree with you.

Glad that I am not mad or something... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

Yes there are many books in DD but there are so funny sometimes! I love the recipies.

Ups Lucretia!

Morrowind is my absolute favorite (Ilike it even more than <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" />) (please don´t kill me dear lovely forum members <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />).

The graphics are mostly the best I´ve evere seen with a RPG the world is huge and the soundtrack is great (but more or less always the same.)

Concerning battles: Maybe you didn´t read that if you hold the Mouse button first your blows will be much harder.
Concerning magic: What could be better to build your own magic spells, (yes you can!) and own magic items!)
You can fly! walk on water, summon beastie; you can do everything!

Major backdraw: everything is so huge that any new player will have problems to find places.

If you have further questions, or just want to give me names...

...do it private or on a seperate thread cause I`m <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif" alt="" />

bernhard

Oh no! why should I call you names? I am interested in every opinion. That is why I added the topic. Perhaps in that way I can find some things that I missed in Morrowind. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Maybe I am a poor gamer because I found Morrowind difficult. I got tired of trying to run to every place. Perhaps the game is difficult in the begining and then gets more interesting by the creation of your own magic etc.

But really my char was agly! I liked much more DD char eventhough there is not a big variety.

Would you recomend me to play it again?

in morrowind i was so bored that i made potions by using uberalchemy which made my char a super warrior and i got even more boring.
MY each stat was like 27million except strength and speed. At that speed the game freezes and at that stregth the sword breakes with only one hit lol.

I also made 1500 leviate potions. They took me to any place within a very short time. lol no enemy could match me. ehh i dont want to talk about spells. Lol imagine a mixture of all combat spells <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />
but the spell system is good im morrowind. the idea of combining spells is brilliant.

but the world was to boring and fake and unlively. Graphics reminded me of hl graphics and i hated the loading screen every 100 meters.

If you played Morrowind like this you missed out really a lot. Open rules and own spells are an opportunity but misused (as in your case) they destroy the game world and the game balace.

If you understand Morrowind you have to do different things. Live the world. Go to Ascadian Isles and watch the sunset. Enter a dungeon and fight for your life, do quests apart from the main quest, become a vampire...

If you´ve already done all of these things then maybe you just finished everything in the game like me, but than you played for 3 month...

Bernhard

Morrowind was more of a walk sim if you ask me. It just didn't have the feel of a great game.

From the artist point of view gothic II looks way more beautiful when it comes to sunrise or sunset. But anyway the graphics in Morrowind are nice. Except that all humanoids have the same slim figure with no difference.

I hated the fact that the world was so big. I started with the usual RPG player mistake: take every quest you can get. After a while i was so overloaded and bored i just concentrated on the main ones and left the half of the others unfinished. Hell i was happy when i made it through.

The orientation system sucks. The whole area is empty besides some monster and then suddenly an NPCs stands around in the wildernis. Alone. You usually get a Quest to take him/her somewhere and then the pain starts. You not only have to wait hours for that bugger. The direction the NPCs gave you is also mostly crap. You head where you think if will be and then start running around that spot in increasing circles the next half hour to find the spot somewhere completly else. I remember one side quest when after a long searching time a monsters attacked my companion. She was so behind i had to turn back but she was dead before i could reach her. And i was glad i didn't had to continue looking for the bloody questgoal!!! I didn't even think of reloading! That never happened ago in my time as Roleplayinggamer. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" />

The learning by doing thing is also not very good. Almost everybody I know found himself jumping around all the time to boost the skills. Which is even more ridiculous when you do two jumps and hang in the air suddenly because Morrowind reloads constantly. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/down.gif" alt="" />
Without modding up the game you couldn't even sell the stuff you found because no merchant had enough money to buy an average magic sword. Fine!

Last thing, the cutscenes are terribly bad.

Sorry, I enjoyed the look of morrowind very much, but i had to force myself to finish it. Without the many design glitches the game cound be real fun. Too bad they made the same mistakes like in daggerfall. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/down.gif" alt="" />

i loved morrowind. i also loved DD, but i think MW has more replay value because there are more different quests you can do and more motivation to start different characters

dont get me wrong, DD also had its points where it was better than MW but im just not sure which is the better game

you dont HAVE to do all the reading if you dont want to, but if you do skip all the reading you are missing out on a lot. (coming from somebody who likes to read) it really adds depth to the game. plus some of the books are pretty good.

at the begining of the game it DOES take too long to get anywhere, but then after a while you realize it wasnt the GAME that was too slow, it was your character. once you level up a bit you get a lot faster.

the actual story is OK, but thats not supposed to be the place where the game shines anyway. (well, in the expansions the story is a lot better anyway) it is supposed to shine in its open-endedness. you dont even have to do the main quest if you dont want to. ever. its fun to run around and explore the huge world, because it isnt just a bunch of randomly generated land...they put it all together themselves. so no matter where you are, you can see they payed attention to details.

i thought the combat wasnt bad...

but the bad point of the game is you have to have self-control to play it...meaning if you are a powergamer, you wont have much fun with morrowind because it will get too easy too quickly. then, no challenge usually = no fun. unless you are the kind of person that never gets bored of killing everything with one hit =P

the begining of the game can seem confusing though, because it is so open-ended. it makes it seem like you missed something...cause at the begining of the game they basically just shove you out the door and tell you good luck...you feel like you missed something and you dont know what you should be doing LOL

but then you just kind of find something you like doing and then you go from there =D

my first character, i hardly did any quests at all...i just ran around the world and raided various dungeons i found and explored the world, and then occasionally went back to town to sell my loot, and the stuff that was very expensive i added to my exotic collection of weapons and armor and artifacts of that sort =]

man i must have played about 5 different characters in that game that got to at least lvl 20...if you count all the prototype characters i made then i couldnt tell you how many i made <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

but ya, the other bad thing about this game is that on my computer i realized lately it kind of runs like [nocando], however thats partly because 1) i refuse to lower the view distance from maximum and 2) i have the ati equivelent of a geforce 2 and a lot of the graphical things in the game are geforce 3 generation, so they own my graphics card <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

when im inside the game runs just fine, i get like 40fps...but sometimes when im outside i get like 18, and occasionally the game will chug when i first enter an area =/

well anyway i just realized im rambling and most people probably stopped reading my post long ago so ill shut up now <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" />

Thank you soundFXman.

thought I was the only one who really liked the game...

@Marian: for Orientation you have the paper map. Without it you´d be completely lost. I liked the cutscenes, why do you think they suck?

Escorting NPC´s can be very annoying, but you can take them with you on boats and stilt striders so the walks get not too long. And if you don´t like to just skip the quest <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />. There are so many that it does not make a difference...

bernhard

A. I felt exactly like this! I thought that I am not smart enough for this game. It is interesting to see your point here... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

B. That explains a lot to me. I also have GFORCE 2 and I thought that graphics were bad. Maybe is my card. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

I have a Geforce 2 also and the game runs perfectly... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

Sorry man, qualitywise the cutscenes ARE really bad. Unsharp, badly rendered just to mention the tip...
And for the overhead map. What use is such a map when you constantly look on it and wonder, how on earth you ended up somewhere you never headed to... Usually my sense of orientation is quite good but morrowind made me doubt...

And don't get me wrong the reading and talking part wasn't boring at all. It was the boring standard quest running between the locations you knew to NPCs which had no new stuff to tell...

@marian: maybe I played it too often...
...so know I don´t have any orientation problems at all.

Concerning the cutscenes: I can´t remeber exactely; it´s quite a time ago that I played...

The NPC´s (really, really many) who have nothing to say are there to give an extra feeling of " a real fantasy world". I liked this approach, but it is highly unusal for RPG´s. As the world is so big I think they didn´t had space and time to add something to say for them.
(as they didn´t had the time to cancel out all those bugs...
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Quests in Morrowind are sometimes boring but most of the time I liked them alot.

As with <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> there are noz only hack ans slash quests but very often ones, where you have to really find out things.

But anyway, I´m afraid we won´t be able to match here.

Conclusion: Let´s talk about <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> and...
...also about how badly we want to play <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

ya but you probably have more reasonable expectations from your card than i do, like i said in my post i refuse to lower the view distance from maximum

plus i said i have the ati equivelent of a geforce 2, not a geforce 2...im not sure though if nvidia cards run the game better or not though so im not sure if this makes any difference in performance

but a lot of the cool effects ARE geforce3 generation...ever seen how pretty the water is when you have a geforce3 card?

also id like to mention that the weather system in morrowind is AWESOME...i remember my first thunderstorm, it sounded so real that i wasnt sure if i actually heard real thunder outside or if it was just the game

also the sky is really pretty =]

I have maximum sight and also maximum detail, and the water looks awesome!
Concerning the water: One of the many things which make me feel to be in a real fantasy
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />
world

bernhard

and you only have a geforce 2 you are sure?

if so then that is strange, i dont know how to explain that

Speaking of water. Marian, the water in <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> is fantastic! Are we going to have more of that in <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" />? Larger and perhaps be able to do a bit of fishing?

And find a treasure, eh. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I like the idea though. My favourite char in UO was my GM fisher.
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