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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> WOW is right....
and his next release single is titled.....

"one more chance" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" />

things that make ya go, Hmmmm? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />


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Jacko is a very extravagant person, and now he is paying for it. Ofcourse this next release will sell millions over night because of all the publicity, whether be it good or bad. So he will not be broke for to long, and if he has to sell something, good.

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it would have to be, otherwise he'd get his [nocando] kicked.


Yeah, kicking is about the only thing they will do to his [nocando], because I don't think that anyone in jail would want to do anything else with his nocando. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Oh, by the way, Nero, I understand now. And I see what you mean. I hat all this commotion about celebrities too, but I do think that a paedophilia suit is worth devoting some attention to.

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it would have to be, otherwise he'd get his [nocando] kicked.


Yeah, kicking is about the only thing they will do to his [nocando], because I don't think that anyone in jail would want to do anything else with his nocando. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


This is the best thing he can think of if he is really guilty. Many prisoners have children and they rip to parts or do even worse things to pedophil. I have heard many stories about pedos in russian prisons. Hopefully Jacko is innocent or at least he will not get into prison in Russia or Estonia <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

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Pedophiles arent treated well in prison anywhere on earth. Put them in general population and they will be dead within a few weeks. The other guys may be criminals but even they draw the line at sexually abusing children.

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And this is right. No mercy to those fucks abusing kids. Because we all were children once and we all have kids now or will have in some future.


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hmm. what if all the... activity... from behind made his face fall off? at least his nose, anyway. thats already happened a few times. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />


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And this is right. No mercy to those fucks abusing kids. Because we all were children once and we all have kids now or will have in some future.


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it makes you think...
why people always are so protective concerning children,
and react so passionate to help a child out of danger?
i think the adolds see children as the "last hope of humanity"
a child is pure, untouched by the corruption that roams this world. when we grow up, we have to deal with the dilemmas of life, make sometimes very though decisions stress,worry's,love&hate, money problems, violence etc
But a child just plays further with her doll or his rubber ball.
-it's the image of our innosant selfs"-

and when i see a child , i want to protect that innocents, my innocents.
soo it makes me very angry too see that there are a lot of "people" in this world that do horrible things to a child. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />


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I think it's because children are growing and not full-grown like adults. It's like a tree: whack a full-grown tree with an axe and it will lose some bark, but its defining shape will still be the same. Whack a still-growing tree with an axe and not only will it be damaged, it will grow crooked as well.

The pains we endure when still in our growth fase determine the rest of our lives. Add to that that children are still children and guilty of nothing and you've got a pretty good reason to protect them, I guess.

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Just remember that although Michael is strange and looks weird - it doesn't mean he is an abuser. Lacking in judgement - yes; but he is still innocent until proven guilty.

Also - please remember that abuse comes in all forms. We quickly recognize abuse when we see a child with bruises from a fist and we recognize the trauma from sexual abuse too. The "sneaky" abuse though is the verbal and emotional abuse - it can take so many different forms - from calling the child "stupid" to saying simple things like "Why can't you be more like **** they're so perfect!".


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Just remember that although Michael is strange and looks weird - it doesn't mean he is an abuser. Lacking in judgement - yes; but he is still innocent until proven guilty.


Yup. That's what I said in the beginning of this thread too. Don't judge the man before he has been judged.

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I think nobody judged him here yet. We have shared opinions on kids abuse. Michael is innocent until proved guilty by court. We will know this soon.
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Just remember that although Michael is strange and looks weird - it doesn't mean he is an abuser. Lacking in judgement - yes; but he is still innocent until proven guilty.

Also - please remember that abuse comes in all forms. We quickly recognize abuse when we see a child with bruises from a fist and we recognize the trauma from sexual abuse too. The "sneaky" abuse though is the verbal and emotional abuse - it can take so many different forms - from calling the child "stupid" to saying simple things like "Why can't you be more like **** they're so perfect!".


You are so right DQueene. I got over most of the verbal and emotional abuse of my father many years ago, but the sexual abuse.....
It is a hard and long journey to get over any kind of abuse, and this does not mean that you will get over it or past it completely. The only true way to stop abuse is to stop the chain of abuse. In this I have failed, because I am no longer in my sons life on a regular basis, only see him a once in a while. I fear I have caused him some emotional abuse by not being there for him. In the future I WILL be in his life. Right now I must do what I have to do so that one day I can be in his life again. To put the wondering minds at rest, NO I did not sexually abuse my son. I drank and did drugs, in my opinion this was just as bad.

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My dad used to drink a lot when I was very young. He never got abusive but mum hated it. I always used to wonder why he acted so silly though. One day he decided enough was enough and gave up cold turkey. He hasnt drank since. As an adult now, and a heavy drinker myself, I understand how hard it was for him to do that and I have a lot of respect for him. He loved us very much to go cold turkey for us.

Someone once pointed out how strange society is "Isnt it wierd how you need a liscense to drive a car, but anyone can have a child?".

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I drank and did drugs, in my opinion this was just as bad.


I don't think it's as bad as to be abusive. It is critical to, as you say, be in his life, care about him, so that he knows that there is place on earth where he is always welcomed regardless of his status, income etc.

I think I am abusive towards my kids. Patience is a key. I am not patient enough. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />

It was good idea about the licence.


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The only true way to stop abuse is to stop the chain of abuse. In this I have failed, because I am no longer in my sons life on a regular basis, only see him a once in a while. I fear I have caused him some emotional abuse by not being there for him. In the future I WILL be in his life. Right now I must do what I have to do so that one day I can be in his life again. To put the wondering minds at rest, NO I did not sexually abuse my son. I drank and did drugs, in my opinion this was just as bad.


No - it's not as bad. I won't say it isn't bad; but never as bad as being a sexual predator.

Perhaps if you're strong enough now - you can write him and tell him (if he's old enough) why you aren't in his life right now? Again if you're strong enough - maybe you could write him a letter once every two weeks? Or even once a month? Baby steps - but very important ones. He needs to be convinced that it isn't his fault you aren't in his life - children will think it is because of them (remember how black & white the world is for them? Very few shades of grey.)

I know all of this depends on whether or not his mom would read/give it to him or not. Hope she is supportive.

Remember - you were a child when your father did his abuse and were in no way responsible for his actions. You're right - the only way to stop abuse is to break the "cycle". The best way to do that IMO is to realize that you are NOT your father and you won't do what he did because you know in your heart that you won't.

My father was a drunk, and both physically and verbally abusive. The sad part for me was - it was easier to "forgive" him then it was my mother - his co-dependant. I felt like she should have stopped him. Short version - is I am not any of those things, while my sister (6 years older) is both physically and verbally abusive to her children and grandchildren. It's all about choices.

Hopefully I haven't sounded to "preachery" (if that is even a word). Please forgive me if I have.


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Thanks for the support everyone, and you are all right, I had forgotten a lot of what I have learnt in the last three years due to self pity. I did not mean to sound like I was putting myself down that much, was not in a good mood when I wrote it.

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Perhaps if you're strong enough now - you can write him and tell him (if he's old enough) why you aren't in his life right now? Again if you're strong enough - maybe you could write him a letter once every two weeks? Or even once a month? Baby steps - but very important ones.


DQueene, thank you. I needed to be reminded of that yet again. The people that I have in my life now that are helping me with my sobriety have told me that for nearly three years, yet some how I tend to forget that I will always be my sons father no matter what. I do need to explain more in detail as to what happen between his mother and I, especially now that he is 11 years old. I don't even expect anything from him except that he grow up to be HIMSELF and be happy, even if he could not forgive, this is all I want for him.(I believe that one day he will forgive tho). And no you do not sound preachey.









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