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it will after I get my new processor, and I'll be quadrupiling it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />



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Exactly, it'll cost you 1200-1400 for a great comp.. just saying for those who want to save money and still have a great comp, that they could do what I did..I was doing fine before this one until the memory on my old comp went...It might have been motherboard failure... didn';t want to deal with it...

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Then I don't understand... I got a brand new computer with great specs including the 9800 pro for $600 including the shipping.. plus it is tax deductible(well, if you are part of a corporation)...

And as for doorman... You don't need to be rich to get a videogame... Once you get into the "real world", you will realize how little $50 really is... It is pretty much pennies... Wait till your cat needs $2500 surgery and you'll see how little $50 goes. Even at a MINIMUM wage job(which only fools would get, as you could easily double that as a waiter), it would take very few hours to get $50 for a game... Since games usually go to down $40 anyhow, and considering you could get $5 off any game at best buy, we are really talking pennies here.

Saying that you need to be rich to buy videogames is ignorant, so I think you need to look up the word.


It's DEATH AT THE DOOR, shadow9d9, repeat after me, Dee Ee Ay Tee Eighsch...
Alright, I suppose it's not much, but why my parents can't give me 50$?
BTW, I am sadly alergic to cats <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" /> (although I really wanted one!).
What are minimum wages if not waitreses? (I am not trying to bite you, but I thought minimum wagers were people who work in McDonalds)
Depends. But yes, usually games cost 5-10$ less when they come out.
Still, I cannot afford the game now.

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This is silly... first of all.. 256 megs is overkill... and if I am saying a full blown computer with the support of dell, dvd drive, cd-r drive, 512 dual ram, 9800 Pro, with a 2.8 p4... costs six hundred dollars... Why would you waste money buying it separately? Because it is an xt over a pro? Would you rather a brand new computer with the above specs and a pro or 4/6 of the cost just for an xt alone...?

AGain, $50 for other things... then get ANOTHER $50... Back in highschool I made sure to get money for my birthday and the "holidays".. I used that money to fun my games for the year... And AGAIN, it really will be $35 after it drops to 40 dollars which usually takes a week or 2... and then take $5 off by using a gamer's gift card at Best buy! $35! Nothing! Chump change! One group trip to the movies!!!

shadow, Dell are good computers but often the parts are not top quality, as you might know. It's safer to buy separately. BTW, I found that if you buy them separately, it'll be MUCH cheaper than if you order a system (you pay for the assembly, don't forget).
Tower mobo and power supply for 200 CND.It's not the best nor it's the worst.

shadow, not everyone has rich parents. I can't complain since I often get what I want but...
You're not wrong, though.

Sorry, Lews, you made a couple of good points before but shadow was right here. A card is important but the processor is nevertheless the key point. For example, Spellforce asks for a 1 ghz processor. I got arround the half but I have a pretty good Hercules Geforce 2 GTS 64mb (pretty good for 64mb, of course <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />). Well, the game is a slideshow here.
Most of the computer parts are equally important: RAM, Processor, Video...

Let's switch to BD now <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />.


EDIT: Just read about the credit card.
I agree, it's just a clever trick to make you think you can keep borrowing money... usually it just dramatically lowers your status. When you're in debt, it's VERY difficult to climb back.

Ah yeah, it's better to take a deluxe model of an older card than a new card. But why geforce, shadow? IIRC you had trouble with ATI in the past, is it because of that?




What else can be said about the demo?
I noticed there are many topics arround related to this. But every demo release I assisted was rather chaotic. Ask Beef about the Freelancer demo release, the boards were crawling with angry n00bs who kept asking the same questions (which they could read in the demo's readme file).
Tomorrow or a day later, everything would return back to normal.

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ill get this card. then later get a new processor. it will be maybe 600, 700.$



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sorry Carrie, whatever guys, Im outa here, cya around.



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you can build a computer super cheap just check out place like mwave.com
I have gig of Ram on my computer but of course that' for sampling and music production. Still you could get a mother board a 2gig Athlon for around the price of a 100 gig HD something like 180 or 150 like said cheap, your video card might be the most expensive thing you buy. Games that are coming out in 2004 are going to want a 1gig or more faster computer, and all rpg's will most likely be 3d. NWN style and whatever else they decide to do. I hope the success of Beyond Divinity changes a lot of developers minds though.


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just my observation on the game when i first ran the demo on my home computer.

for larian's info, my system specs;

AMD athlon 800MHz
256MB DDR266MHz RAM
20GB ATA100 Seagate HD
Nvidia Geforce4 MX440SE 64MB AGP graphic card
Creative SBLive! Value

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DirectX 9b
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SBLive! Driver (can't recall but it's latest for WinMe)
Diskeeper Lite (memory resident program for defrag)

when i first run the configuration, it gave me 62fps even with FSAA on. so i left that on & ran at the default 1024X768 res. the demo loaded quickly enough.

however the first problem appeared as soon as i click on any item on the menu. the sound stuttered & the game lagged a bit before responding to my commands. is this the same sound hardware acceleration problem that existed in DD?

the same happened in the game itself. & it so happened that there is no control over the speed of scrolling. i hope this can be adressed in the full version. the audio stuttered & everything lagged to compensate. this is weird as Creative card is well known for its solid hardware acceleration. i haven't tried sliding down a notch for the sound hardware acceleration in Control Panel. will do that & some more tests this weekend.

zooming feature is quite impressive though it may not be much of an improvement from bullfrog's Dungeon Keeper series. the character details (marian, u've outdone yourself) are very very impressive especially when zoomed in. animations are very well done. lighting-wise i can see that shadows are not implemented as that may slow down the game a whole lot. the background isn't nice to see when zoomed in. it's very blurry & reminded me of the old doom look. now don't get me wrong, it doesn't look so bad but when a very detailed character is in the picture, u can't help but notice the big difference between foreground & background. not so consistent.

UI & navigation need some time to get used to, so i can't give much comment as i've spent only 1/2 hour in the demo. however putting points in new skills may pose problems for some. it took me a few minutes to figure out how to put points in. i hope this can be looked into. helping new players to spend less time in manuals instead of playing the game would help in generating positive outlook of the game.

about inventory system, i'm a tad disappointed that it's lacking when it comes to exchanging items between Hero & DK. do i have to drag things all the way from the inventory window to the avatar on top right? hardly friendly among soul-mates.

maybe a tutorial level will help. or the first few quests involve teaching new players how to get through the hoops.

all in all, the demo generates positive feelings & it's very solid. the minor problems (or could they be bugs?) hopefully will be addressed in full version of the game. especially the sound as i don't understand why that can happen. does it not use hardware acceleration?

sorry for bursting bubbles but i feel that the weakest part of the game is still voice overs. very very wooden. much like dictation rather than acting like u're in that moment. DK's voice acting is disappointing. he speaks of danger in a very nonchalant manner & i can almost see the character reading scripts with paper in hand while yawning. heck even the alomst as lousy guards' voice acting are better. slightly. sadly i acknowledge the fact that voice acts can't be changed as the game must be on its way to gold status.

anyway larians, thank u for the wonderful demo & i'll be looking forward to the full version.

sidenote: regarding $$$ & game prices. not all places have the same pricings as well as income levels. so when any speak about how others should do in order to buy games, please do in the tone of advice, not cynical nor overly critical. a typical game (we don't have local game publisher/distributor) would cost RM150 to RM200 & typical income would be RM800 to RM1500. see how much a game sets me back in my monthly budget. before anyone BOO me, consider everyone's situation & be appreciative of your own.



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about inventory system, i'm a tad disappointed that it's lacking when it comes to exchanging items between Hero & DK. do i have to drag things all the way from the inventory window to the avatar on top right? hardly friendly among soul-mates.
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try right clicking on a item for fun...



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I thought you were out of here? You post too damned much. haha

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i was out of there for the moment. dinner!

then I came back, can't be gone to long! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


sorry, i try not to, can 't help myself though <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" />

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about inventory system, i'm a tad disappointed that it's lacking when it comes to exchanging items between Hero & DK. do i have to drag things all the way from the inventory window to the avatar on top right? hardly friendly among soul-mates.
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try right clicking on a item for fun...


??? Every game with a party had the same exchange system, be it Baldur's Gate or Planescape Torment.

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I like the demo, but the game does feel a bt weirder in total.
to me it seems that the game runs in a kind of a slomo mode (could be my system though; haven't got a 3D card @ work)
my chars dissapear behind walls and objects so mostly I only see their legs. and the inventory interface and skill system is a total adjustment for me. But I'm getting the hang of it, I hope they'll be explained detailed in the game manual.

I do hope that <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beyond.gif" alt="" /> comes out in a small box and not a DVD box, I hope they'll also release a collector's edition...

Lynn, is there gonna be a collectors edition ???


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I like the demo, but the game does feel a bt weirder in total.
to me it seems that the game runs in a kind of a slomo mode (could be my system though; haven't got a 3D card @ work)

Yes, Viper, it happened here too at 1024x768
Try at 800x600, you'll see the difference <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />.

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my chars dissapear behind walls and objects so mostly I only see their legs. and the inventory interface and skill system is a total adjustment for me. But I'm getting the hang of it, I hope they'll be explained detailed in the game manual.

If you use the Sneak skill, you see the enemies casting a red light, your characters in colour and the rest of the world in black.
Yes, I'd like if BD had a hefty manual.

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I do hope that <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beyond.gif" alt="" /> comes out in a small box and not a DVD box, I hope they'll also release a collector's edition...

Lynn, is there gonna be a collectors edition ???

I have a dislike for DVD boxes: it's a game, not a movie! Plus I never seen a good manual in a DVD box. And I hope there will be a collector's edition <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />

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I reckon its you lack of a 3D card matey. Can't render the characters properly so they mesh with the walls, objects etc. Of course I may be talking crap... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />


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I like the demo, but the game does feel a bt weirder in total.
to me it seems that the game runs in a kind of a slomo mode (could be my system though; haven't got a 3D card @ work)

Yes, Viper, it happened here too at 1024x768
Try at 800x600, you'll see the difference <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />.


using both 800*600 and 1024*768 (only resolutions I tried) I get slow downs every know and then. I ran fraps and I average around 40 fps but sometimes the game seems to pause a bit and the fps drop to like 13 fps. The weird thing is that the pauses happen while nothing is really going on, no intense fighting or anything just walking around.

Don't know yet what causes it.

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i had no music after installing the demo.
so i installed my sound drivers again (creative)


maybe this helps out your problem to @janggut?


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Ok, I played the demo.. for about 5 minutes.. Which is what I usually play as far as demos go...I don't like to ruin anything... Well, the voice for the death knight sounds like it was recorded in someone's living room with someone just learning english and doesn't know what acting is...
I found an oddness when equipping the characters... The death knight had a sword equipped and i transfered a weapon to the hero and clicked on it and it swapped the weapon from the death knight and equipped that instead! Took the weapon right out of the death knight's hands...
I also found a slight delay when moving the mouse around to explore the map... From the moment I went to the edge to when the camera moves... a noticeable delay.
It ran smooth as can be on my system... and the new graphics system seems clean and a good improvement over the original. I don't mind 2d anything... I loved the graphics of the original...
Is there a hotkey to select all party members or do you have to right click on the characters and go to select all each time?
So, make the inventory system less cumbersome, make the hero/deathknight part system less cumbersome, get that delay out of mouse movement, and hire an ACTOR and not some lacky off the street to record the characters... Just do what you did with the first game! The acting was fine!

As for computers..Yeah, I know it is "cheaper" to buy your own... but when I did that, high quality researched motherboards have failed, memory from crucial has failed... I once had my processor fried from bad electricity in a new apartment. Even at your CHEAPEST, it will not come close to as good of a deal as I got ...and for the next year if anything goes from I get free replacement immediately... If you plan to upgrade every 1.5-2 years.. getting a 600 buck comp like this is the only way to go.. I've been down the "build it yourself" route too many times, and it is just not fun... To each their own... but 600 for a 9800 pro in a full p4 2.8 is daaamn good.

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Surprisingly, my ses specs are much similar to those of janggut. Tomorrow evening I'll get my demo, and I wonder what it might look like ... And how it will behave ...

Also, I'm one of the "chosen few" who are not able to afford the game, I fear. No job, no money, it's simple.



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>> What are minimum wages if not waitreses?

Waitresses here in Vegas make 30-80k/yr.

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