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Uuuuh, I think the degeneracy in question was Testad's statement that women should be "protected from themselves", and his rant about how he enjoys being the one in control in his household, because


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and also, can't forget



So, Stabbey, what do you think of Testad's arguments? How would you respond to his statements? Set aside, for a second, the nebulous feminazis, and the omnipresent "Christian overtones" and other whatnot. How does what Testad said make you feel? Does it seem like degeneracy to you? I'd love to hear a woman's thoughts on this. Vometia? Do you have an opinion on this? You usually have something constructive to say in times like these. I'd love to hear what people think.

Who, me? I hate being put on the spot with the expectation of being responsible and sensible.

That said, of course I disagree with the premise that a woman can't do her own thing, at least within the limitations of what won't get me a telling off by my gf.

That's getting a bit off the point, though: regarding one's acceptance of Larian's artistic decisions, I guess "you pays your money, you makes your choice" applies. Though whether I continue to be so pragmatic once there's an artistic direction that sufficiently bothers me remains to be seen!

Ah, sorry. I won't do that again, then. Thanks for being responsible and sensible anyways, though =D

I can personally attest to this ;P I've also made liberal use of socks for filling.

Throw a shirt over it and I had myself a very nice set of B cup breasts using my girlfriends bra

Sure, elves look more special than beautiful, my friend would even say 'ugly' but that is a design decision. Same goes for the clothing, mainly if it goes for both genders. I'm a man, so I like sexy women half naked to look at, but on the other hand the illogic can bother me. But in this case those decision are racial dependent and not gender so sexism can't really be taken into discussion.

What me and him bothers far more is this corpse eating stuff. It is an interesting mechanic, but he has two drawbacks. First it sounds more like something an undead would do, but not an elf. Second only one char can really profit from the gifted spells, or you need to save scum test and devide the parts accordingly.

The interesting question is: did the patriarchy brainwash you into conforming to that particular beauty ideal or have you simply observed something about human interactions and decided to use the "game rules" to your benifit? ^^

On these forums there have been amazingly long and tiresome flamefests about skimpy armors and high heeled boots. The 'Yay Skimpy' (YS) side usually ends up falling back onto a "if you complain about how the female characters are portrayed, you're engaging in CENSORSHIP and are therefore terrible".

This is a forum for the alpha. The developers have said that pretty much anything at all is still up for negotiation or change. Most of the players agree. The YS group's position though, is that the Alpha's artwork and portrayal must be set in stone. It must not be changed, it is SACRED and to change it is BLASPHEMY, CENSORSHIP. They are only doing this because the artists integrity is paramount in their minds, of course. The fact that they enjoy that art style is a complete coincidence.

Anyone who disagrees, who has a different preference for the art style is evil and committing CENSORSHIP. They must be shouted down and called names. They're trying to Destroy High Art. Remember, even though this is an alpha and basically anything can be changed, artwork is verboten, off-limits. The first impressions from the art must be preserved through the final version.

Any changes are not because the developers changed their minds on their own, or reconsidered what they wanted to do. Of course not. Everyone knows that in games development unlike gameplay coding features skills stats economy enemies, all of which require iteration, the first rough artwork is always final and always perfect. The first artwork never needs any improvements or changes. Even though the first impressions of gameplay and balance are usually in need of tweaks and changes, the first artwork always gives the exact impression intended by the artist and never should be changed.

If a developer ever does make changes, it's not because they decided that the impression that was received was different than that which was intended, or because they wanted to refine the art more. No. changes only happen because an evil cabal of nazi women ganged up to threaten the developers with consequences if they do not comply.

Put me down in the camp of IDC (i don't care) or for more colorful language IDGAF (I don't give a fudge)

Can't we go back to discussing dialog and armor changes.

Let's hope for mods. I'd welcome a nudemod as well.

So if we drop all the I'm on this side and You're on that side, I think that what actually offends me more is this sentence from OP:

"A few women I have asked about this have been hugely disappointed and have opted to not buy this game or future Larian products."

Pathetic attempt at blackmail and specifically designed to lower any respect one might have harboured towards OP.
Shame on you.

Let this thread die please. She got a lot of hate already. Take it easy on her.

wanna cookie?

Well... To be fair there are plenty of people who really really care if you believe in god, and there are people who really really care if you are an atheist (or a heathen).

I didn't notice any "hate". Perhaps you mean something different by that word, but when I think of comment hate I think of the kind of stuff you tend to find on youtube or in the chat of highly competetive PvP games.
Stuff like "go die in a fire" and pointless stuff like that.
Thankfully these forums seem to be a couple of notches above that type of comments.

The undercurrent of 'hatred' is pretty much here and throughout many threads that has any kind of debate you can pretty much tell that the civility is thinly veiled and discourse has long been poisoned.

Hatred has many forms and there are more subversive expressions that are far more delicious to consume.

It's actually a fun game to play (just as much as it is fun to go the opposite direction) which is to denigrate your opponents as much as possible all the while skirting the rules preventing you from being banned as a toxic fuck (even if you are being a toxic fuck). Usually, though, this does require you to stick to the subject matter at hand and provide some relevant snippets.

How many people are here to learn and discuss? Very few.

Though there's always a good chance that a lot of the people who genuinely want discourse on a given subject are pretty shit tier at writing even remotely academically so it immediately turns into a shit storm. Emotional content should probably come at the very end as a conclusion rather than the preamble.

Nah, I reject that definition of "hatred". People harshly disagreeing with eachother, even making it contextually aparant that they dislike someone while still playing by the social rules of civility is not warranted to be labled as hate.
That has no effect besides watering down a word that should hold strong connotations to be meaningfull.