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Alexandar (Some idiot nitpicks the lore) SPOILERS #589529
26/09/16 05:53 PM
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This thread won't mean much to you if you don't care about the lore, and honestly, you're right to do so. So just feel free to ignore this boring and worthless rant by some idiot (me).

Oh, and there are also unmarked spoilers for the end of Act 1.

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Alexandar is supposedly the Son of the Divine, Lucien. I've never heard of Alexandar. There have been two Divinity games set after Divine Divinity, Beyond Divinity, 20 years later, and Divinity 2, 70 years later.

This game is supposed to be about 4 years after Lucien's death*. There is at least one portrait of Alexandar in Fort Joy. It's 8 feet tall, and if you zoom in you can see the portrait in great detail. Alexandar has a grey goatee and is bald. He looks to be about 60 years old. That would make him 10-20 years older than his father given Lucien's appearance in Divine Divinity.

For Beyond Divinity, a Novella was created, "Child of Chaos" which detailed some aspects of the childhood of Damian. There's no mention of any Alexandar, or any romantic connection in Lucien's life. At one point when Damian is an infant, Lucien specifically notes that he's never had children of his own. So to fit Alexandar in, that would make Alexander under 20 years old with the face of a 60-year old.

Alexandar is in all aspects set up to be a really important person, the top guy, the man in charge. But at the end of Act 1, he is unceremoniously killed by the protagonists in a battle. He doesn't teleport away, he falls down dead and stays there.

It's true that would make his absence from mention in Divinity 2 make more sense. It's also true that having him survive by teleporting away is a dead-horse cliche in videogames at this point. (I presume Dallis will be the new head of the Magisters chasing the party down.)

But I have to ask what the point of making Alexandar Lucien's son is supposed to be if he's just going to get killed off immediately? You might as well save yourself the headaches with the sudden appearance of a son into the canon and just call Alexandar Lucien's top general, fixing both the "wait, what son?" bits and the "wait this guy is way, WAY too old to possibly be his son" bits.

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Re: Alexander (Some idiot nitpicks the lore) SPOILERS [Re: Stabbey] #589535
26/09/16 06:27 PM
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I must admit I was wondering much the same thing myself, in spite of not being a great follower of lore. Alexander would surely be some teenage brat rather than an elder politician type, unless Lucian adopted someone much older than himself.

Then again Bioshock Infinite was kinda like that: precocious teenager sets up awesome flying steampunk city and promptly ages several decades because space magic happened.

Then again II I'm just snarky because I haven't had enough sleep. Or cheese.


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Re: Alexander (Some idiot nitpicks the lore) SPOILERS [Re: Stabbey] #589538
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Hmm I thought of Alexandar more as a prophet, than a biological heir of Lucian. Maybe one day he heard voices in his head and decided that this is his "true" heritage(This is how some "prophets" even came to power in real life)?

Maybe Dallis is his mother (She seems to be a dragon, as you can see at the of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKwL7p3xK_s&feature=youtu.be ) and she told him all that hogwash so her little boy can feel better about himself? He IS crazy enough to believe all this and after losing Lucian the people of Rivellon would believe everything, if he can keep the Black Ring away from them.

As for his death: I don't know if the Hall of Souls is still part of the story, but maybe we will meet him again in the third act as an undead and he will make us pay for our decision to kill him? Or he delivers some exposition to explain some of the more cosmic stuff (fighting gods, Void, Demons).


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Re: Alexander (Some idiot nitpicks the lore) SPOILERS [Re: Stabbey] #589550
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Just because he claims that he's Lucian's son doesn't make it so. Until there's proof or explanation of it, I see no reason to believe that he is who he says or thinks he is. It just doesn't fit.

The end of Act 1 took me by surprise too, though. Considering Alexandar seems like a big deal, I kinda expect him to show up again, at least in some capacity. Death doesn't necessarily have to write you out of the story.

Re: Alexander (Some idiot nitpicks the lore) SPOILERS [Re: Stabbey] #589573
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He is an impostor.

Re: Alexander (Some idiot nitpicks the lore) SPOILERS [Re: Klavi] #589576
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Originally Posted by Klavi
Just because he claims that he's Lucian's son doesn't make it so. Until there's proof or explanation of it, I see no reason to believe that he is who he says or thinks he is. It just doesn't fit.


That's what I believe as well, however lots of people believe that he's Lucien's son, which is why him apparently being much older seems especially odd.


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The end of Act 1 took me by surprise too, though. Considering Alexandar seems like a big deal, I kinda expect him to show up again, at least in some capacity. Death doesn't necessarily have to write you out of the story.


That's a fair point, and if that's the case, then Larian can just ignore that complaint.

Re: Alexander (Some idiot nitpicks the lore) SPOILERS [Re: Stabbey] #589591
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I'm not quite sure whether the end of act 1 will stay exactly like that in the final game. To me the whole encounter kind of looked like a special thing they only did for the EA version.

I would have expected to fight Dallis instead of Alexander at this point, to be honest.


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