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I think that is fine if they are less "beautiful" by conventional Earthling standards. After all, there is a reason that western and eastern cultures have different ideas of what is considered "beautiful". Why should Faerunian beauty conform to what we consider "beautiful".
Because most people want beautiful elves, not alien elves? And Faerun standards are irrelevant, elves should appear beautiful to us. I mean, I can go and say that the Xenomorphs and facehuggers from Aliens are beautiful by their own standards, but they are ugly and I'd never want to play as one, period. So I guess my question to you, is should elves be beautiful by western standard of beauty? eastern standard of beauty? pacific islander standard of beauty? Whose standard of beauty do you think we should use when designing elves?
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I think that is fine if they are less "beautiful" by conventional Earthling standards. After all, there is a reason that western and eastern cultures have different ideas of what is considered "beautiful". Why should Faerunian beauty conform to what we consider "beautiful".
Because most people want beautiful elves, not alien elves? And Faerun standards are irrelevant, elves should appear beautiful to us. I mean, I can go and say that the Xenomorphs and facehuggers from Aliens are beautiful by their own standards, but they are ugly and I'd never want to play as one, period. So I guess my question to you, is should elves be beautiful by western standard of beauty? eastern standard of beauty? pacific islander standard of beauty? Whose standard of beauty do you think we should use when designing elves? You raise an interesting point - when making a game for a global audience chances are most if not all characters will look ugly to everyone. I think the most acceptable and least offensive solution would be to put paper bags over their heads.
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OR! Just give them impossible, unrealistic and beautifully angular features that are still pleasing to the eye! Yes! Yes please! :'D
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OR! Just give them impossible, unrealistic and beautifully angular features that are still pleasing to the eye! Yes! Yes please! :'D I'm afraid that's highly offensive to angularly challenged members of peoplekind. WotC has just deducted 10 points from your social credit score.
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Speaking of elves...that companion gives me very disconcerning vibes.
Shadowheart for a name? Black mascara under the eyes? Coldsteel the Edgehog called. She's a half-elf. But that is also one of the reasons I created this topic. Both Astarion and Shadowheart lean towards evil and have 'edgy' backgrounds. As Slippery Catfish mentioned above, elves lean heavily towards chaotic good. I found it odd that both Origin characters with elf blood share that in common, having a more traditional option in between would have been really nice. I wouldn't really care, if Origin characters wouldn't have the advantage of a richer experience in comparison to custom created characters.
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You can bet the dirty Sharran is getting a boot from my party as soon as I'm able to dispense of her! (Once she's helped me survive of course)
Can never trust that lot. Ever :P
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almost half of the races revealed so far are elves or elf related. Two of the origin characters are elves or half elves
Yep, truly is a DnD game. A whole boatload of elves
AS for the looks.
DnD elves have become increasingly more human (and increasinlgy more short) If you want Ayy Lmao looking elves youll probably have to turn to Elderscrolls or Vermintide
Im actually happy enaugh that the player characters look somewhat attractive by normal human standards so im not realy miffed by the elves not looking... overly fay like. This all leads to the question of character creation tho.
Will there be sliders? i better hope so but larian doesnt usualy do that, also the faces look very handcrafted... Tho, for your point i guess beeing able to make a very elfin lookng elf wouldnt satisfy you as your point is to make elves as a whole look alien.
I guess FR is just too much of a fetish fest for ugly elves We know about the Drow, Half Drow, Half Elf, and High Elf, but the Wild Elf is certain to be in as well, and there is a good chance Shadar Kai Elves (they retconned Shadar Kai into being Elves all sorts of rammifications for that), Eladarin Elves (the Feyish Kind, not Celestial, with four subsub races based on the seasons), Sea Elves will also be in. And High Elf includes fluff wise Sun, Star, and Moon Elves. But if you think that is alot of Elves, that is nothing compared to Tieflings. They are confirmed as using the MTOFs Tieflings with subraces, there are NINE Tiefling subraces in that book, one for each Archedevil/Layer of Hell. Plus they might have Feral Tieflings from the SCAG as well.
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Speaking of elves...that companion gives me very disconcerning vibes.
Shadowheart for a name? Black mascara under the eyes? Coldsteel the Edgehog called. She's a half-elf. But that is also one of the reasons I created this topic. Both Astarion and Shadowheart lean towards evil and have 'edgy' backgrounds. As Slippery Catfish mentioned above, elves lean heavily towards chaotic good. I found it odd that both Origin characters with elf blood share that in common, having a more traditional option in between would have been really nice. I wouldn't really care, if Origin characters wouldn't have the advantage of a richer experience in comparison to custom created characters. Bawhahaha, Elves in FR are primarily Choatic Good my arse, in practice they are often Lawful Evil with a long history of Genocide. Elves are the svariest race in FR if you know their history.
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One thing I noticed from the gameplay vid, is that they use generic D&D terms for the various subraces. True. They might've done it because, for example, sun elves and moon elves both just use the high elf stats. Though, Sven also says during the demo that you're "going to a place called Faerun" as if the nautiloid picked you up from elsewhere. Not my favorite idea, but would also explain it.
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i somehow dont think well be getting nine subraes of tiefling. at least not with visual differences.
Still wondering if subraces count for the 15 races. Especialy since Drow seem to be treated as a different race even tho technically they are a subrace
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Because most people want beautiful elves, not alien elves?
And Faerun standards are irrelevant, elves should appear beautiful to us. I mean, I can go and say that the Xenomorphs and facehuggers from Aliens are beautiful by their own standards, but they are ugly and I'd never want to play as one, period.
So I guess my question to you, is should elves be beautiful by western standard of beauty? eastern standard of beauty? pacific islander standard of beauty? Whose standard of beauty do you think we should use when designing elves? General human standards. There really isn't that much difference between eastern and western standards.
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Speaking of elves...that companion gives me very disconcerning vibes.
Shadowheart for a name? Black mascara under the eyes? Coldsteel the Edgehog called. She's a half-elf. But that is also one of the reasons I created this topic. Both Astarion and Shadowheart lean towards evil and have 'edgy' backgrounds. As Slippery Catfish mentioned above, elves lean heavily towards chaotic good. I found it odd that both Origin characters with elf blood share that in common, having a more traditional option in between would have been really nice. I wouldn't really care, if Origin characters wouldn't have the advantage of a richer experience in comparison to custom created characters. Kinda agree there. From what I've seen so far of the companions, only the human mages seems OK/interesting to me. The evil gay vampire interests me not, the elf gives me a edgy try hard vibe, which I hope I'm wrong about, since she the only female companion that looks decent.
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Kinda agree there. From what I've seen so far of the companions, only the human mages seems OK/interesting to me. The evil gay vampire interests me not, the elf gives me a edgy try hard vibe, which I hope I'm wrong about, since she the only female companion that looks decent.
Yep. Having companions is great, but having to main them for a better game experience sucks.
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On the companions, I'm confident Larian will give us some better variety than "Funny Bearded Mage, Hungry Vamp Lad and Scowly Sharran Lady." I know next to nothing about the Gith warrior.
These are just the very first ones we've seen. I don't take particular issue with any but Shadowheart, and purely from a personal perspective - saying whether they're well made just yet is getting the cart before the horse considering we're only just coming up to Early Access.
Back on the topic on Elves specifically, someone above mentioned they're "LE in practice." I can consider that true for certain members, but -yes- they do generally start as Chaotic Good. You don't find the typical inhabitants of Elven villages chanting about scouring out an entire landscape with a High Magic Ritual just to get a few lads they're not fond of. As a race they've made some hugely mistaken decisions that lead to absolute tragedy, but they remain a primarily Good aligned people as far as I'm aware.
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