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Did someone unlatch the troll door, again? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

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Wow people complaining after not only a developer takes responsibility for the bugs and keeps in contact with the people that bought the game, but does their best to fix them. I've seen alot of games released full of bugs and no patch was released for a few months and not a word from the developer. Stop whining.

Another thing a lot of people will cry and whine that a release date is pushed back so than when its released faster but full of bugs they cry and whine more saying 'RUSHED OUT OF DOOR WANTED MY MONEY GOT IT THEYRE HAPPY THEY DONT CARE GAME PLAYS LIKE CRAP BUYER BEWARE!!!111'

Another thing people don't understand is that some problems are technically impossible to fix immediately and take alot of recoding to make sure this fix doesnt break that ect. These constant patches showthat Larian is trying to fix the game ASAP so people can play it without making them wait for a few months.

Larian is doing their best, chill out.


Well, let's see, I see a whole bunch of posts, not complaining, but trying to better understand the limitations of the patch. Are you complaining about those?

Another, as well as some not here, complain about downloading patch after patch and the time this takes on a dial up modem. Not exactly utterly unreasonable. I am sure Larian regrets putting up patches that really don't do what they are supposed to do.

Another explains the patch doesn't solve their problem. Surely feedback worth having.

I smell serious fanboy/fangirl tendencies in this post.



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I don't have any problems with people who complain about a buggy game's status, or those who think the game is great. I guess my problems begin when the ones who love the game tell everybody else to shut up and stop questioning things--especially in a Tech Problems thread!--while those who dislike the game hurl epithets at those who enjoy it.

Seems to me like everybody can be right, from their own point of view. We don't all have to resemble apes, you know, and throw certain substances at one another. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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LOL! Gotta love it. I've had the game less than a week, and have spent 14 hours downloading patches for it. The result so far? My current game, in Act 3, is so screwed up that I doubt it will ever be salvaged. Half of the loot dropped is misnamed, i.e. the image of armor with the description of a battle axe (of course you cannot use or sell this stuff, since neither merchants nor your character recognizes what the hell it is). The other half of the loot just has a generic name, i.e. Quiver 20... again, unrecognizable and unusuable. New quests are recognized in my journal about 20% of the time. The game now CTD's about once every 10 minutes, compared to... well, no CTD's when I first started playing the game with the initial 1.32 patch which didn't fix half of what the ReadMe said it fixed, but at least the game would run even if half the Battlefield dungeons were empty.

So we come to the technical forum to tell our tale of woe, and find out if we dare try yet another patch since the prior patches have been a pretty steady downhill spiral... and we're told to shut up and quit whining.

Just. Gotta. Love it.

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Wow people complaining after not only a developer takes responsibility for the bugs and keeps in contact with the people that bought the game, but does their best to fix them. I've seen alot of games released full of bugs and no patch was released for a few months and not a word from the developer. Stop whining.

Another thing a lot of people will cry and whine that a release date is pushed back so than when its released faster but full of bugs they cry and whine more saying 'RUSHED OUT OF DOOR WANTED MY MONEY GOT IT THEYRE HAPPY THEY DONT CARE GAME PLAYS LIKE CRAP BUYER BEWARE!!!111'

Another thing people don't understand is that some problems are technically impossible to fix immediately and take alot of recoding to make sure this fix doesnt break that ect. These constant patches showthat Larian is trying to fix the game ASAP so people can play it without making them wait for a few months.

Larian is doing their best, chill out.


Can it fanboy. What I -expect- is for my hours put into the game already to not be obviated by dirty patches. My time -is- actually worth something, and backtracking to the start of the game just so I can play it again as intended is simply not acceptable. The responsiveness by Larian to the community, while admirable, is irrelevant in light of these issues, it also does not dismiss or justify the fact they have wasted alot of people's precious time already by unintentional bungling of patches. Also, to make implied comparisons of Larian to other less responsive developers, is also irrelevent to this situation. This is not to say I do not accept or acknowledge bugs, I do. However, when the 'fixes' turn out to erase hours and hours of work put into a game, gimme a break, I -am- gonna be pissed. With that said, this -is- the intended place to ask questions and vent our frustrations.

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You got my cash this time Larian, it will not happen again...buyer beware I suppose.

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FYI, this is the comment that set me of. (Although the guy wondering whether he should bother downloading the patch or not sounded like 'Larian is trying TOO hard to fix the issues') .It doesn't bother me at all to see people complain about problems they have with the game so Larian can see it and try and fix it and it doesnt bother me when people simply vent their frustrations but acting like Larian is some scam company releasing a broken product and running a way is not quite accurate. Your buyer beware comment was a bit out of line. I guess you buy games from a VERY small list of developers if you expect a bug free ride right out the door.

Had Larian not addressed the issues id be agreeing with you right now, but the fact is that they are. I can understand being annoyed with having to start all over, but do you think there's some kind of big red button Larian could press right now and fix all your issues right away? They're doing their best.


PS-I've only played 5 minutes of the game to see what it was like and dont plan on starting for another week or so to avoid the issues people are having right now.

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Of course, what we still lack is an answer from Larian as to a basic simple question--What exactly are the problems if one installed patch 1.40, and is this a reason for starting over.

This is the question I would actually like a simple answer to--and I think a lot of others are curious on this issue.


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the moral of this story is that you will never satisfy anyone. they'll find something else to complain about. bah.

just shut up and download the new patch, and appreciate their hard work, or go away.

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thank you. that is what irritated me. why is it necessary to *hate*. stop wasting more energy over one of the most frivolous and superfluous activities out there: a video game. nothing productive comes of it except one's personal gratification. that is the lowest form of productivity.

so, accept what is, stop fighting over something silly, and be constructive and positive in your criticism rather than taking the whole thing as a personal affront by Larian to YOU!!!!!!

Get over it!

Yay! Next!

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if you haven't been there yet, then it hasn't been generated.
if it hasn't been generated, it cannot be a corrupt magic item.
therefore there shouldn't be a problem, except for maybe the current unexplored area of the map you are currently on.

the technical difficulties is the layman's way of saying that they ran into some coding problems that, if they tried to explain, unless you are a programmer you probably wouldn't understand anyway, so they simplified it for us and ask us to have a little faith in them.

I can appreciate this, especially since they have been so timely in correcting the issue. One game I had similar issues with, Prince of Qin, it was weeks and even months before a patch was finished to address a game breaking issue.

Don't worry, be happy.

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Although the guy wondering whether he should bother downloading the patch or not sounded like 'Larian is trying TOO hard to fix the issues'


I'm the girl (well, technically, 'old lady') who asked if another patch was coming out again. I wasn't trying to be a smartass or dissing Larian. After all, I went out and bought the game as soon as it came out because I loved <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" />. I really just wanted to know if it would be better for me to wait as it really does take awhile (I've been downloading for 1:25 and I'm 82% complete). I don't understand why anyone who isn't a Larian employee (Note to Larian Studios: I still enjoy this game and will look for other Larian releases in the future), would take such offense at what I think is a legitimate question posted on the board created for such questions/comments.
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Without any tone of voice, etc it is relatively easy to misinterpret things online. Even without that, it is possible to allow emotions from another post or even influence the reaction to a different post.

Anyway, to not answer your question, I have not seen any time frame hinted at for the next patch.

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I'm the girl (well, technically, 'old lady') who asked if another patch was coming out again. I wasn't trying to be a smartass or dissing Larian. After all, I went out and bought the game as soon as it came out because I loved <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" />. I really just wanted to know if it would be better for me to wait as it really does take awhile (I've been downloading for 1:25 and I'm 82% complete). I don't understand why anyone who isn't a Larian employee (Note to Larian Studios: I still enjoy this game and will look for other Larian releases in the future), would take such offense at what I think is a legitimate question posted on the board created for such questions/comments.
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I didn't really take offense it just didnt make sense to me. Sorry if i mis-interpreted. I'd also like to know if another patch is coming out soon or not <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I wanna get started to! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

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the moral of this story is that you will never satisfy anyone. they'll find something else to complain about. bah.

just shut up and download the new patch, and appreciate their hard work, or go away.

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Oddly enough, I and a number of other people simply want to undestand exactly what the patch does and does not do if one has patch 1.40 loaded.

But apparently asking such a simple straight forward question shows we are inappreciateive fools, and should just "shut up and download the new patch".

After all, why should some one who has paid good money for a game have any right to ask a question? They should just shut up and accept what they are given.

Frankly, I rather admire Larian for their efforts--I do not admire people like you who want to tell anyone who does not accept whatever they are provided that should "just shut up"



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the moral of this story is that you will never satisfy anyone. they'll find something else to complain about. bah.

just shut up and download the new patch, and appreciate their hard work, or go away.

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You must be kidding. Is this the attitude you take with other products you buy? "Well, the product doesn't work as intended, oh well, thanks for trying to make it work, all the effort to get it to work -after- I purchased it absolves you of the fact that it doesn't work! Please, sell me more crap!" You son, are a chump if this is the case.

Also, if you had read my entire post, you would see I am still screwed even downloading the latest patch, sheesh.

I buy product, product is broke, your damn right I am gonna be pissed. Guess what too, I am definitely going to come to a forum where the people responsible can hear me bitch about it. Nuff said.

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[quote] PS-I've only played 5 minutes of the game to see what it was like and dont plan on starting for another week or so to avoid the issues people are having right now.


Then your opinions are moot. Re-read what I said. I stated v_e_r_y simply, that bugs are ok and I expect them, but having to restart the entire game is not. Again 'other developers' are eluded to, that is apples and oranges and has nothing at all to do with this situation.

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PS-I've only played 5 minutes of the game to see what it was like and dont plan on starting for another week or so to avoid the issues people are having right now.

Then your opinions are moot. Re-read what I said. I stated v_e_r_y simply, that bugs are ok and I expect them, but having to restart the entire game is not. Again 'other developers' are eluded to, that is apples and oranges and has nothing at all to do with this situation.

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What 'opinions' are you talking about? I simply said crying 'Buyer Beware' when the developer is obviously trying their best to fix the issues is a bit out of line. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with how long I've played the game.

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PS-I've only played 5 minutes of the game to see what it was like and dont plan on starting for another week or so to avoid the issues people are having right now.

Then your opinions are moot. Re-read what I said. I stated v_e_r_y simply, that bugs are ok and I expect them, but having to restart the entire game is not. Again 'other developers' are eluded to, that is apples and oranges and has nothing at all to do with this situation.

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What 'opinions' are you talking about? I simply said crying 'Buyer Beware' when the developer is obviously trying their best to fix the issues is a bit out of line. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with how long I've played the game.


Sure it does. Also, the next time you feel compelled to express your opinion, please drop it off in the toilet where it belongs.

People with your attitude, where they act like the developer is doing us all some great favor by supporting a product WE PAID FOR, just perpetuates and positively reinforces the vicious cycle of crap in the gaming industry.

Krathax *pats naive poster on head* 'Now go play the game'.

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People with your attitude, where they act like the developer is doing us all some great favor by supporting a product WE PAID FOR, just perpetuates and positively reinforces the vicious cycle of crap in the gaming industry.

Krathax *pats naive poster on head* 'Now go play the game'.

Krathax


Well said, and I agree 100%. Fortunalty Larian is supporting BD, and I have no doubt that all the bugs will be squashed out.

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PS-I've only played 5 minutes of the game to see what it was like and dont plan on starting for another week or so to avoid the issues people are having right now.

Then your opinions are moot. Re-read what I said. I stated v_e_r_y simply, that bugs are ok and I expect them, but having to restart the entire game is not. Again 'other developers' are eluded to, that is apples and oranges and has nothing at all to do with this situation.

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What 'opinions' are you talking about? I simply said crying 'Buyer Beware' when the developer is obviously trying their best to fix the issues is a bit out of line. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with how long I've played the game.


Sure it does. Also, the next time you feel compelled to express your opinion, please drop it off in the toilet where it belongs.

People with your attitude, where they act like the developer is doing us all some great favor by supporting a product WE PAID FOR, just perpetuates and positively reinforces the vicious cycle of crap in the gaming industry.

Krathax *pats naive poster on head* 'Now go play the game'.

Krathax



Once again, no it doesn't. Please explain why the fact that I've only played the game for 5 minutes has anything to do with my realization that Larian is working on the issues?(Awaiting the typical 'im not gonna bother' response <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> ) I don't need to be in-game to see patches being released.

Also, I am not naive, you're just ignorant.

And last, please quote where I said anything along the lines of "Larian doesnt have to fix these problems so theyre doing us a favor!' Once again, all I said was, because of their support, they do not deserve being tagged 'buyer beware'. If Larian wasn't addressing and working on the issues right now, I'd be pretty annoyed to.

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