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Personally I hope they don't move beyond "Bhallspawn existed" and "Minsc and Boo travelled with them". It is a cop-out you can argue, but there's so many different combinations and decisions that it's the only real way to satisfy everyone. I really, really hope things stay like the book you can find with interviews of people in the game that do nothing beyond say "BG1 and 2 happened"
There's a book you can find...IIRC in the Druid's Grove...that refers to the Bhaalspawn in gender-neutral terms, so optimistically that could be the direction they are going in. Although I'm a bit anxious concerning a certain confirmed returning character from the first two games who would know the Bhaalspawn personally. I can see it being very awkward for Larian to dance around the subject of addressing the Bhaalspawn's gender/species/class/alignment etc unless they are planning some sort of situation like with Atton Rand in the second KoTOR game where you could pick the gender and alignment of the protagonist from the previous game through a dialogue conversation with one of your companions-I'd love to see something like that would be implemented, but I don't know how confident to be that Larian is moving in that direction.
This is why I would rather have companions from BG1&2 as cameos and NOT as companions, if any must be included. So that the awkward questions can be swiftly ignored or left up to the player to answer. I'm afraid the old companions can't be done justice if they bring them back to be companions to someone brand new.

It's like Rihanna performing at John and Jane Doe's middle class wedding.

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I know that Minsc is semi-confrimmed allready ...
But just out of curiocity, how old would old BG 1&2 characters be? O_o

I mean, i realize that both previous games was about Baalspawns, but i really want to believe that there is more happening in this world. :-/


I liked original spellcasting system more ... frown

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Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
I know that Minsc is semi-confrimmed allready ...
But just out of curiocity, how old would old BG 1&2 characters be? O_o

I mean, i realize that both previous games was about Baalspawns, but i really want to believe that there is more happening in this world. :-/
BG3 is ~100 years later.

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Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
I know that Minsc is semi-confrimmed allready ...
But just out of curiocity, how old would old BG 1&2 characters be? O_o

I mean, i realize that both previous games was about Baalspawns, but i really want to believe that there is more happening in this world. :-/

There is more happening in the Forgotten Realms world beyond the Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale and Neverwinter Nights games, but you have to understand that the characters from the games are 90% of the time not mentioned outside of the games they appeared in.

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Originally Posted by 1varangian
BG3 is ~100 years later.
I know that is the point ...

Originally Posted by BladeDancer
but you have to understand that the characters from the games are 90% of the time not mentioned outside of the games they appeared in.
I feel like we don't understand each other ...
First of all, this is not about other games at all ... although I personally see no reason why a character from another game (or a book, or any other source) that belongs to the same universe and the same time could not show up here. .. after all, we live in the twentieth century, our technology and the complexity of stories go a little further than twenty years ago.
Can you imagine MCU created in 90' ?

The point is that every second post is about people wanting the return of the companion they liked in the previous game ... I know that 100 years isn't much for "some races", and I'm aware that this world offers an inexhaustible number of different ways to deceive time ...
I just think people should start to realize that this isn't a Baldur's Gate remaster, that's all. :-/

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Unfortunately, barring magical mishaps like Minsc got, most everyone who isn't of a long-lived species like an elf or dwarf from the old games is dead of old age- if one of the multitude of disasters plaguing the realms in the intervening century+ didn't do them in first. That goes equally for characters from *all* the other D&D games as well, since MMO excluded, all of them are pre-timeskip. (3rd or 2nd edition) I'm not holding my breath to see a Deekin Spellsinger or Allessia Faithhammer cameo any more than Keldorn Firecam-their fates are pretty much sealed by the passage of time.

If we are lucky we might meet one of their descendants, find a magic item attributed to them, retrace the steps of their exploits, or hear of their past deeds from npcs. That would be neat.

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Originally Posted by BladeDancer
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Victoria wiki

She was referenced in NwN Online I guess based on the trivia section of this website, going by this she's still around.

Vizeran DeVir mentions her in NwN Online, explaining that he heard about her heroics stopping the Bhaalspawn, it doesn't really mean she is alive in the 15th century of the Forgotten Realms.

Interesting, if that's the only mention of her, then the wiki is wrong.

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Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Originally Posted by 1varangian
BG3 is ~100 years later.
I know that is the point ...

Originally Posted by BladeDancer
but you have to understand that the characters from the games are 90% of the time not mentioned outside of the games they appeared in.
I feel like we don't understand each other ...
First of all, this is not about other games at all ... although I personally see no reason why a character from another game (or a book, or any other source) that belongs to the same universe and the same time could not show up here. .. after all, we live in the twentieth century, our technology and the complexity of stories go a little further than twenty years ago.
Can you imagine MCU created in 90' ?

The point is that every second post is about people wanting the return of the companion they liked in the previous game ... I know that 100 years isn't much for "some races", and I'm aware that this world offers an inexhaustible number of different ways to deceive time ...
I just think people should start to realize that this isn't a Baldur's Gate remaster, that's all. :-/

Then let's try to find some common ground. In games that provide multiple outcomes for your character and his/her companions, it is best not to canonize the fates of your companions too much, it would cheat others who did not make the same decision as you. Case in point, canonizing a romanced companion would not be fair to others who had their character romance a different companion. That is why it is best some companions never show up, because the player has some control over their fate.

It is technically 124 years between BG2 Throne of Bhaal and BG3, 1370 to 1494.

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Then there is potentially 'big' things like Viconia's romanced ending; if CHARNAME is a half-elf it's very possibly he's still waging a crusade against Lloth along with his child, for just one example. I don't want the past being dredged up mainly because of certain high profile films and games that seemingly delight in digging up beloved characters and taking a big squirty s**t on them. When BG3 was annouced my first reaction was "Oh, f**k, there's another teddy-bear-strapon'd memory" not "Hooray". I only got on board when it became very clear the game was only really a sequel in the theme of "How much are you willing to give up for power"
Even if you get a Mask of the Betrayer style thing where you decide who/what the bhaalspawn was, framed in asking an npc questions (eg: "What was their love, Aerie/Anomen/ect like?" you could very easily annoy someone and make them go "Well it wasn't like that in my head" depending on the response. Better to leave it alone imo.

edit: actually, a minor example of this was in Baldur's Gate II; certain npcs from the first game would turn up, even if you had imported a savegame from Baldur's Gate I where they'd died. If you raised the point you'd last seen them dead "I got better" was the answer, in one from or another, but even to my teenaged mind I found myself thinking "That's a cop-out"

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