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... and that's why it fails. I mean tis game is trying to be DOS2 + BG + DnD + Witcher 3.

It is a no-brainer that's not gonna work. What Larian should have done was to make a true DnD cRPG which stands on it's own foundations but no this game wanna be like too many games and that's why it doesn't have a strong posture.

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I don't see the Witcher 3 parallel other than it being a fantasy game

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I just copy my post from another thread.

Number of game owners according to Steam spy:
-> POE 1 is between 1-2 mln
-> POE 2 is between 500-1mln
-> Pathfinder is between 500-1mln
-> DoS2 is between 2-5mln !!!
The situation is worse if you look at other statistics.
Unfortunately, old school games are not popular.
Only PoE 1 sold over 1 million copies because it was one of the first classic RPGs in this decade. POE 2 sold much worse.



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That's irrelevant Rhobar. We aren't asking for BG3 to be like any of those games you listed.

(We want it to be more like 5e DnD, which has waaaay more sales than DoS 2)

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Originally Posted by Popsculpture
I don't see the Witcher 3 parallel other than it being a fantasy game



Then you are pretty ignorant about games. The cursed swamp with hag area, the bard NPC, trying to push romance too much into story. The wannabe Witcher 3 is so obvious.

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Originally Posted by Rhobar121
I just copy my post from another thread.

Number of game owners according to Steam spy:
-> POE 1 is between 1-2 mln
-> POE 2 is between 500-1mln
-> Pathfinder is between 500-1mln
-> DoS2 is between 2-5mln !!!
The situation is worse if you look at other statistics.
Unfortunately, old school games are not popular.
Only PoE 1 sold over 1 million copies because it was one of the first classic RPGs in this decade. POE 2 sold much worse.




So what? Witcher 3 sold 15 mln and nobody is complaining to CD about decision to put the most successful rpg franchise aside and build a new one from zero.
Larian on the other hand lacks on personality to accept that the DOS era is simply over and move on.

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I don't see the Witcher 3 parallel other than it being a fantasy game


He was referring to the alchemy bombs :p

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Originally Posted by Popsculpture
I don't see the Witcher 3 parallel other than it being a fantasy game

I think he is referring to every enemy have potion to throw at you, bomb, etc.

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Originally Posted by Muldeh
That's irrelevant Rhobar. We aren't asking for BG3 to be like any of those games you listed.

(We want it to be more like 5e DnD, which has waaaay more sales than DoS 2)



Maybe it's paranoia but every time I see a "true RPG" people mean another game with an infinity engine.
Never mind, the game will never be true D&D as the game requires the simplification of many systems if larian wants to sell the game to players unfamiliar with D&D.
I think they will change few things, but I don't expect that it will be much.
Systems like barrels will be weakened, but I doubt they will remove them.
I don't think D&D purists will be satisfied when they release the full game.





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You forgot about Dragon Age Origins... the entire camp and approval/disapproval system seems to be heavily inspired by that...

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... and that's why it fails.

By what criteria? Or by "fails" do you mean it 'fails' to keep your interest or something like that?

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... and that's why it fails.

By what criteria? Or by "fails" do you mean it 'fails' to keep your interest or something like that?


Right? The game is already a lot of fun and it's not even close to being finished yet.

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Originally Posted by sinogy
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I don't see the Witcher 3 parallel other than it being a fantasy game



Then you are pretty ignorant about games. The cursed swamp with hag area, the bard NPC, trying to push romance too much into story. The wannabe Witcher 3 is so obvious.

And you're calling me Ignorant. Those tropes were around FAAAARRRR before Witcher. Besides Witcher is a loose rip off of Elric of Melniboné and Brothers Grimm Fairy Tales. There's nothing new under the sun.

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Originally Posted by Nicottia
You forgot about Dragon Age Origins... the entire camp and approval/disapproval system seems to be heavily inspired by that...


...as is the "Origin character" concept, without the actual, playable Origins, though, and the cinematic coversations. It almost seams as if Larian is trying to imitate the wrong era of BioWare games. wink

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"Borrowing minor features from other games of the past" =! "Trying to be different games", by the way.
Not to mention some of these analogies are bordering the "reaching at straws" territory.

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Originally Posted by sinogy
... and that's why it fails. I mean tis game is trying to be DOS2 + BG + DnD + Witcher 3.

It is a no-brainer that's not gonna work. What Larian should have done was to make a true DnD cRPG which stands on it's own foundations but no this game wanna be like too many games and that's why it doesn't have a strong posture.


To me it seems this is a sentiment of the "I didn't get what I wanted" crowd.
I've clocked a lot of time in DOS2, and BG3ea. And it's not "trying to be DO2", but it's clearly made by the same team. Odd how companies have a "thing" they like to make.

As for "Trying to be BG", um only in title. You do know that Baldur's Gate is a setting within the Forgotten Realms which is DnD's biggest setting, right? And not only the story of the two PC games has affected this world? Heck Neverwinter Nights and Icewind Dale are also set in this setting. If they had called the game Waterdeep, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on with that argument. It's just the title that puts some people off, which I can understand, but hey I'm sure some people said the same about Fallout 3.

To me this is "The first draft from the makers of DOS2 to make a DnD5e game" and to me it's been working amazingly. Should they change some of the rules in the game to be more like 5e? Yes, of course, not giving everyone cunning actions for instance. But that's exactly why the game is in early access.



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It's not trying to be too many games. It's a big game which incorporates lots of rpg and tactical battle elements. Did you expect 300+ devs to work on a baldur's gate tetris or something?

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Originally Posted by sinogy
Originally Posted by Popsculpture
I don't see the Witcher 3 parallel other than it being a fantasy game



Then you are pretty ignorant about games. The cursed swamp with hag area, the bard NPC, trying to push romance too much into story. The wannabe Witcher 3 is so obvious.


A "cursed" swamp with a hag has been part of D&D (and various european myths/fairy tales) forever. By the bard NPC you mean Volo, I assume? Volo has been around in the FR setting since 1st edition AD&D.

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I don't see the Witcher 3 parallel other than it being a fantasy game



Then you are pretty ignorant about games. The cursed swamp with hag area, the bard NPC, trying to push romance too much into story. The wannabe Witcher 3 is so obvious.


A "cursed" swamp with a hag has been part of D&D (and various european myths/fairy tales) forever. By the bard NPC you mean Volo, I assume? Volo has been around in the FR setting since 1st edition AD&D.


This... I really don't see the W3 influence either... also, where is the Witcher "pushing romance"? Geralt's love life and sexuality are simply parts of his character and story, and aside from the juvenile card collecting shenanigans in the first game, not really "pushed" at all.

...but yea, not the topic.

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The Witcher games didn't invent anything. Everything about the Witcher 3 is based upon years of Bioware games. By the way, the first major CD project work was actually a translation of BG into polish, and the first Witcher game uses the NeveeWinter Night's engine.


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