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Originally Posted by OneManArmy
I just need one additional line in the dialogue, just like you too with Astarion. Someone needs Sazza. This will not make the game a trash heap, but will make it better - that's my opinion.


If honestly one single line of dialog and no other changes will actually make you happy. Hey then fine.

Though I just truly feel like it's a slippery slope because invariably people will fall in love with more and more characters and want more and more different types of romances. There are an extensive amount of visual novels out there. I don't have an issue with this being part of CRPGs but I think it should remain kind of compartmentalized.

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The game should provide an opportunity to respond as I would if I were my character. If there is already a moment when Minthara says that my character must obey, gives orders, why can't I express my admiration for this? And let her know that I am delighted with her ideas.

Because romance scenes in CRPGs don't need that level of granularity, since they are primarily simulative. The same reason I can't inspect individual items quality and engage in a complex haggling minigame, trading just doesn't require that level of granularity. It's not real romance, it's not real bartering, there's a point where they need to step back.

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When the furries get the races they are asking for, every sexual encounter will be a kinky one.


I don't have strong feelings about the suggestion but I'm probably more against it as an official game development. I'm not into kink-shaming but I'm not sure that having it as part of BG3 is something I want to see. Aside from anything else, you'd need a huge list of possibilities to please everyone; "Hey, you have the ABC kink featured but not the XYZ kink. That's discrimination!"

I understand that Drow and Dark Elves have long been a favourite of the BDSM crowd, and I understand why they are viewed that way. But having one particular racial sexual culture in the game shouldn't mean that the floodgates should be opened. Let's get the basics right in the official release and leave alternative sexual features to the modders.

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When the furries get the races they are asking for, every sexual encounter will be a kinky one.


I don't have strong feelings about the suggestion but I'm probably more against it as an official game development. I'm not into kink-shaming but I'm not sure that having it as part of BG3 is something I want to see. Aside from anything else, you'd need a huge list of possibilities to please everyone; "Hey, you have the ABC kink featured but not the XYZ kink. That's discrimination!"

I understand that Drow and Dark Elves have long been a favourite of the BDSM crowd, and I understand why they are viewed that way. But having one particular racial sexual culture in the game shouldn't mean that the floodgates should be opened. Let's get the basics right in the official release and leave alternative sexual features to the modders.


That is, you have acknowledged the fact that my desire to have such responses in dialogues with drow is canonical in the lore of the game - excellent. Hardcore and trash for modders, what is canonical in lore I want to see in a game authored by Larian - no one can do better.

I seriously would be able to just say that "Hey, I really like this, I really want to serve you and obey" and not only this stupid choice that was shown, "yes" or "no". What Larian decides to do next is at the discretion of Larian, I just want to have the opportunity to play a character who is not silent about his feelings

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Well yes, I absolutely acknowledge that a BDSM kink is suitable for any romances with the Drow. In fact, I'd be surprised if it wasn't somehow featured.

But at the same time, I wouldn't want to be tied to it whe... no, hang on. I don't want to be restricted in what I can do wh... no. I'd rather not be forced....

I'd like the possibilities to remain in the mind of the player, I think it fair to say, rather than for it to be explicit and shoved in my face... oh bugger it. You know what I mean.

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Originally Posted by Sadurian
Well yes, I absolutely acknowledge that a BDSM kink is suitable for any romances with the Drow. In fact, I'd be surprised if it wasn't somehow featured.

But at the same time, I wouldn't want to be tied to it whe... no, hang on. I don't want to be restricted in what I can do wh... no. I'd rather not be forced....

I'd like the possibilities to remain in the mind of the player, I think it fair to say, rather than for it to be explicit and shoved in my face... oh bugger it. You know what I mean.


It can hardly be called something unexpected or forced, when the answer was spun in the tongue, but there was simply no additional third dialogue option smile
I don't know what is in dialogues with other romantic interests, but most likely there are things that can also be done better, and most likely this is also related to kinks.
May be, I incorrectly named my topic and the first message, and at first people did not understand me



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Well yes, I think that much of the dialogue can be improved, and particularly in the Romancing scenes. But everyone has their own idea of what a good 'line' is, so I suppose the writers are trying to play things pretty safe. After all, someone has to be the final arbiter of what goes into the dialogue option, and I'll bet that each and every one of us on these forums would come up with a different 'best' selection.

Nobody so far has reported anyone saying "You may not be a wizard but I reckon if you and I get together you could cast Growth", for example. I'm sure that would work. It's been a while, but I'm sure that would work.

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Man, sometimes I feel like BGIII is a sex game first and a roleplaying game second judging by the comments on this forum.


The relationships and sex is a pretty big part of RPG's for a lot of people, look at how incredibly attached people got to the characters in Mass Effect and DA:O.

Edit: Also I think that some of you are severely overexaggerating...
It's like people mention it, and then you guys come in and are all like '' OMG IT'S NO PORN GAME Y U ALL TALK BOUT DIS!? ''.
Actually look at the forums, it's like one thread here and there.

It's the same with Tuco, if you don't like the discussion then just ignore it.
Dear lawd forbid not everyone just cares about violence and generic talk alone

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Do you want Astarion to unleash an army of animals? Jesus... it's already bad enough they changed one of his lines into cringe lvl over 9000. Anyway, OP, are you playing a tiefling perhaps? You seem to be... very horny.


I don't really care about the rest of the characters, I just want to worship Minthara. But it seems to me that such kinks can be harmoniously inscribed in other heroes too.
And was surprised by the stupid choice "I want you" and "I changed my mind" where there was no line that I really wanted to say.
You don't need to be some kind of special pervert and maniac to want to answer this way, this answer is quite obvious and it is not there.

Why the hell can't my character say he's totally in awe of the idea of ​​obeying her? This is not just my fantasy. This is in the game, but there is no replica.


Ah, yes, yes, yes. I know, Minthara is the main driving force behind 90% of your posts on this forum... but dear god, you really are so far gone that you wouldn't know a joke if it hit you right in the eye, would you?

Ah, so many comments come to my mind, now which one shall I choose? Well, this time I will try to rein my sarcasm in.

First of all, you respond to pretty much any joke/crticism with the same, slightly changed responses. It's like talking to a robot, people got your point, as valid/invalid it might be. You really don't need to repeat yourself like a broken record, alright?

Secondly, you realize that Minthara won't be the only drow you'll be able to obey, all the signs point towards having your own little pocket drow lady (aka a drow companion that ISN'T Minthara). Now think about that, before your brain explodes to a million little pieces. I know, you want Minthara to be a companion on the scale of origin characters, but let me shatter that little bubble for you: depending on the path you take, and according to Larian's own stats, 70% ish of players chose to annihilate the goblins. Now who's part of the goblin/Absolute faction? Oh right, your beloved Minthara. Now, unless Larian chooses to entirely rewrite the act 1 to suit your needs I highly doubt you will see her again after Moonrise Towers. She's the classic example of a 'one night stand' I'm afraid. On top of that, why would Larian invest resources to take one character out of the goblin leader equation to make her a permanent friend with benefits? They would have to write a new character to replace her, and knowing people, they would get hots for that character as well (just like people have massive hots for Halsin). And to continue on that line, what do you think you'll find in the city of Baldur's Gate once you reach it? You know, places like the Blushing Mermaid are still a thing right? I'm sure you'll be able to find all sorts of 'companions' there to cater to your kinks. Well, you should know that place's reputation if you played previous BG games.

Thirdly - whatever happened to using imagination? Do you literally need to be shown everything to make it 'canonically' true and to believe it happened? Like damn, whenever I read a good book or play a good old game (original BGs come to mind...) that is mostly text based, my imagination goes spinning. Hell, even in BG3, when we are shown about 90% of the stuff, I still like to imagine other scenarios, I don't go to forums demandingly suggesting Larian change the game to suit my imagination though. I realize that I'm NOT the only person playing these games and whatever I would love to appear in this game, other players might hate the idea entirely.

Conclusion: let Larian finish the game, I'm sure you'll find a bunch of cool encounters like Minthara in the finished product. And for the love of god, please, if you want to go full BDSM/kamasutra/etc just download mods. I don't understand what's up with your hate towards mods. Like damn, original BG2 had a mod made by one of the design directors of the game, cause the guy felt the game was slightly rushed and unpolished. It's called 'the Ascension' ( https://baldursgate.fandom.com/wiki/Ascension ). Would you say no to such a thing? Especially if it was centered around your particular needs?

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Originally Posted by Nicottia

Ah, yes, yes, yes. I know, Minthara is the main driving force behind 90% of your posts on this forum... but dear god, you really are so far gone that you wouldn't know a joke if it hit you right in the eye, would you?

Ah, so many comments come to my mind, now which one shall I choose? Well, this time I will try to rein my sarcasm in.

First of all, you respond to pretty much any joke/crticism with the same, slightly changed responses. It's like talking to a robot, people got your point, as valid/invalid it might be. You really don't need to repeat yourself like a broken record, alright?

Secondly, you realize that Minthara won't be the only drow you'll be able to obey, all the signs point towards having your own little pocket drow lady (aka a drow companion that ISN'T Minthara). Now think about that, before your brain explodes to a million little pieces. I know, you want Minthara to be a companion on the scale of origin characters, but let me shatter that little bubble for you: depending on the path you take, and according to Larian's own stats, 70% ish of players chose to annihilate the goblins. Now who's part of the goblin/Absolute faction? Oh right, your beloved Minthara. Now, unless Larian chooses to entirely rewrite the act 1 to suit your needs I highly doubt you will see her again after Moonrise Towers. She's the classic example of a 'one night stand' I'm afraid. On top of that, why would Larian invest resources to take one character out of the goblin leader equation to make her a permanent friend with benefits? They would have to write a new character to replace her, and knowing people, they would get hots for that character as well (just like people have massive hots for Halsin). And to continue on that line, what do you think you'll find in the city of Baldur's Gate once you reach it? You know, places like the Blushing Mermaid are still a thing right? I'm sure you'll be able to find all sorts of 'companions' there to cater to your kinks. Well, you should know that place's reputation if you played previous BG games.

Thirdly - whatever happened to using imagination? Do you literally need to be shown everything to make it 'canonically' true and to believe it happened? Like damn, whenever I read a good book or play a good old game (original BGs come to mind...) that is mostly text based, my imagination goes spinning. Hell, even in BG3, when we are shown about 90% of the stuff, I still like to imagine other scenarios, I don't go to forums demandingly suggesting Larian change the game to suit my imagination though. I realize that I'm NOT the only person playing these games and whatever I would love to appear in this game, other players might hate the idea entirely.

Conclusion: let Larian finish the game, I'm sure you'll find a bunch of cool encounters like Minthara in the finished product. And for the love of god, please, if you want to go full BDSM/kamasutra/etc just download mods. I don't understand what's up with your hate towards mods. Like damn, original BG2 had a mod made by one of the design directors of the game, cause the guy felt the game was slightly rushed and unpolished. It's called 'the Ascension' ( https://baldursgate.fandom.com/wiki/Ascension ). Would you say no to such a thing? Especially if it was centered around your particular needs?


By this reasoning I should be able to have sex with Kagha. Larian pls add.

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I would like to have a pet priest of Loviathar in my camp.

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I want hand holding.

Sweet, steaming and sweaty hands just wriggling around.

Ah yeah. Thats the stuff.

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Originally Posted by Vhaldez

By this reasoning I should be able to have sex with Kagha. Larian pls add.


Ah, yes, just imagine a scenario: Kagha x Halsin x Rath x Nettie x main char. wink

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Now replace car with kink in this Oprah meme, it would perfectly suit the occasion.

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I would like to have a pet priest of Loviathar in my camp.


Oh yes, I'm totally on board. Make him grant us infinite approval with Astarion while we are at it, after every time he beats us. wink

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I see some people of culture here as well.

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Meh. I feel like all this stuff can be in a player's head. I don't want to have my interest tell me to pee on them or treat them like a poodle. That will definitely ruin it for me. People's kinks are a bit random and not decided by culture or gender or personality, so any romantic partner could have any kink, but by forcing a kink that romance would be less desirable to many. I liked Iron Bull as a character in DAI, but when he told my character he HAD to dominate them I was very disappointed, especially because my male/male romance options were very few.

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Originally Posted by GoldenSphinx
Meh. I feel like all this stuff can be in a player's head. I don't want to have my interest tell me to pee on them or treat them like a poodle. That will definitely ruin it for me. People's kinks are a bit random and not decided by culture or gender or personality, so any romantic partner could have any kink, but by forcing a kink that romance would be less desirable to many. I liked Iron Bull as a character in DAI, but when he told my character he HAD to dominate them I was very disappointed, especially because my male/male romance options were very few.



We are not talking about extremes or something obligatory, just imagine that if you really wanted to, you could get from Iron Bull what you wanted with the help of dialogues. You could not accidentally see his domination, so players who are not interested would not suffer.

I don't want to see some disgusting extreme, but there is even dialogue in the game about tied hands, submission, and ecstasy in the eyes. It's ok, I'm really interested in this! I was upset by the no opportunity to say yes, I like it, keep going in that direction, let me obey.

And it seems to me that the Iron Bull did not have such strong tendencies for domination as Minthara and Laezel. It is obvious that they have such kinky, this is literally the lore of the game.
I really want it to be optional, and I can choose between romance and kink, but it's stupid not to give the player the opportunity to say that he likes the way his partner behaves.
This is already in the game, but I am missing the necessary dialogs

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Originally Posted by GoldenSphinx
Meh. I feel like all this stuff can be in a player's head. I don't want to have my interest tell me to pee on them or treat them like a poodle. That will definitely ruin it for me. People's kinks are a bit random and not decided by culture or gender or personality, so any romantic partner could have any kink, but by forcing a kink that romance would be less desirable to many. I liked Iron Bull as a character in DAI, but when he told my character he HAD to dominate them I was very disappointed, especially because my male/male romance options were very few.



I found it amusing how Iron Bull threw in criticism of breastplates curved after a womans chest when speaking to Cassandra, but then he literally runs into battle half-naked himself.
What makes it even more bizarre with people treating it as some '' hell yeah '' moment is that he was essentially literally praising her for '' being a man '' if I remember the lore correctly.
The Qunari literally view women who fight as men regardless of sex.

So yeah, a male Qunari hypocrite running into battle half-naked whilst being incredibly critical about the '' dangers of female breastplates '' ( in freaking Dragon Age ) praising a woman with short hair who's perceived as butch for being a '' manly man ''.
The dude was a douche for so many reasons and the misogynistic undertones went seemingly unnoticed and were instead praised lol.

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Originally Posted by Kou The Mad
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Oh no.


LMAO, this. Was debating against someone wanting to do away with romance options in another thread only to end up this one. It's like a poorly coded Youtube Algorithm.

Yes I'm all for romance and cool cool BG3 includes sex for people who want it.
But this is a bit much. I guess as long as it's optional and not in my face, that's fine. Not a fan of this idea by any means, but I guess if during the sex scenes if they plan on having it narrated through out with dialogue options that would make things interesting.

I keep thinking back on the pain-worshipping guy in the Goblin Camp and remembering how disappointed I was that I couldn't hit HIM instead. Pfft.

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Oh no.

I keep thinking back on the pain-worshipping guy in the Goblin Camp and remembering how disappointed I was that I couldn't hit HIM instead. Pfft.


I'm talking about just such things. Why not throw a d20 and ask for an opportunity to hit this guy?
Why not roll a d20 and make Shadow Heart pass this test? If the player has such a thought (do not lie if you say that you did not think about it).
He can give us his weapon during the test for this. And his weapon must be replaced with a whip.
Or maybe I want Laezel or Astarion to help me pass this test?

Will it ruin the game? No. This is already in the game, it just needs to be supplemented with some kink options in dialoge.
If someone doesn't like it, they simply don't click on this option.



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Originally Posted by Vhaldez
Man, sometimes I feel like BGIII is a sex game first and a roleplaying game second judging by the comments on this forum.


Ducking same. I check the forum once a day and once a day I find a new thread asking for more BDSM, big-tiddies-anime characters and dresses and other shit like this.
I have zero problems with mature content, on the contrary, I like it very much in a videogame since it makes it more "real".

Having people asking for more sex option every day is just cringe tho. Asking for mature relationship among the characters is all good and well, asking non-stop for particular fetishes is not ffs. Go on pornhub.
Nothing against you OneManArmy, yours is probably one of the more reasonable requests around here even if it isn't something I particularly feel the need of.

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