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Originally Posted by Firesnakearies
I was just about to say this. Torment is a timeless masterpiece. BG2 is pretty good, for its time.



People tend to overhype Torment in the same way they do BG2. They are both excellent games, judged by the standards of their time, and they can hold their own pretty well even today as long as the player can deal with the graphics and dated gameplay.

But timeless? Eh, having played both of them relatively recently, they both show their age, though perhaps in different ways. In particular, Torment's conversation trees aren't, as a general rule, nearly as complex or meaningful as people seem to remember them being. The game has a strong narrative core and a number of NPC interactions that have a lot of branches and/or very well-written dialogue (e.g. Ravel, The Transcendent One, Pragmatic Incarnation, arguably Dak'kon). But it also suffers from the gameplay getting in the way of the story a lot. Combat is an afterthought and not all that avoidable apart from some key story moments and a substantial number of dialogue options are locked behind attribute requirements (some of them very high).

Credit where it's due, though, it *is* deeper than the BG series by a good margin and does the "gang of unique characters with crazy backstories" a lot better than BG3 (although that is partly because of its setting).

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Well I checked what Terry Pratchet wrote, but I classify him as short parody writer or if not parody then SCIFI writer.

Baldurs Gate 3 is medieval fantasy and not SCIFI.

I think it is a shame that Dungeons Dragons writing has gone down...

Yes there are some writers like R.A Salvatore used to be a fan of his older books and then lost interest in his work at least a bit. Yes there are other good Dungeons Dragons books but few can match the original Drow story of Drizzt Do Urden the first 3 book and the 3 books after that Icewind Dale...
I enjoyed the 9 first books with Drizzt Do Urden but in time it gets boring he is invincible and never dies.
Cleric quintlet 5 books is also good story with a Cleric Cadderly as main character.

There exists separately a series of Harper books with many different authors they are separate stories each book and I have read all of them 16 books.
The Harpers series
The Parched Sea (July 1991) – Troy Denning
Elfshadow (September 1991) – Elaine Cunningham
Red Magic (December 1991) – Jean Rabe
The Night Parade (June 1992) – Scott Ciencin
The Ring of Winter (November 1992) – James Lowder
Crypt of the Shadowking (April 1993) – Mark Anthony
Soldiers of Ice (December 1993) – David Cook
Elfsong (January 1994) – Elaine Cunningham
Crown of Fire (April 1994) – Ed Greenwood
Masquerades (July 1995) – Jeff Grubb & Kate Novak
Curse of the Shadowmage (November 1995) – Mark Anthony
The Veiled Dragon (June 1996) – Troy Denning
Silver Shadows (June 1996) – Elaine Cunningham
Stormlight (October 1996) – Ed Greenwood
Finder's Bane (July 1997) – Jeff Grubb & Kate Novak
Thornhold (August 1998) – Elaine Cunningham


I really also tried the 90 ies released The Daughter of The Drow and found first book to very interesting, but already on second book in that triology have hard time to finish that book.


Terry Pratchett is not what I would call a Sci Fi author although he sometimes employs elements of Sci Fi. What he wrote is probably best described as Satirical Fantasy. Quite frankly its almost insulting to these authors to compare their writing to the writing in the forgotten realms however, since these people, unlike Greenwood etc, can actually write good books.

Here we go with your subjective taste and you have not named a single fantasy medieval book of your author.

Ed Greenwood bad author? I am pretty sure you have not read his best books.
https://www.amazon.com/Stormlight-Forgotten-Realms-Ed-Greenwood/dp/0786905204
That one of my favorite Harper books. You dont have a clue what the danger is it is mystery book. Have some horror feeling also when you do not know who or what kills?

You dont trust me?
Here is a link of best Dungeons Dragons books:
https://yourmoneygeek.com/dnd-books/
Among them is also mentioned the Harper books.

Your author is not mentioned among them. I do not care about your satiric comedy. I generally in movies and Tv series like Action and Horror maybe a bit Drama. Fine slitghtly comedy a few moments is ok fun, but I have never cared about satirical comedy movies unless some rare satiric Horror movie then maybe lol.

What about Harry Potter then? Well I think it is more for the children never read those books though I liked the first Harry Potter movie very much when it was a new fresh idea. Ok sometimes a bit less serious and for children fantasy is fine. Harry Potter is also those light fantasy movies a parent can watch with their children.

That said I am not looking for Harry Potter feel to Baldurs Gate 3, but if it has some fun moments then fine.

I like Action (fight), Horror (Horror monsters and scary monsters or classic horror monsters, big Trolls, Vampires, Werewolves, Undead, Demons and Dragons), Drama (Drama story not everyone always survive 100%) and if among them is few fun moments then fine, but generally I do not like comedy or satirical comedy. A horror mystery is also very interesting. Romance and specially full nudity is also fine with me.
Oh and though I mentioned Action a good main story is nice to have.

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ITT People complaining that Larian is too much Pratchett and demanding them to be more like GRRM.

I would like to add that some good old Asimov would do the game good as well (in terms of having the feeling of witnessing a grand scheme you gradually uncover and discover you have some part to play in)








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Originally Posted by Terminator2020

Here we go with your subjective taste and you have not named a single fantasy medieval book of your author.

Ed Greenwood bad author? I am pretty sure you have not read his best books.


I have read most of his books, albeit, a very long time ago. I did not think they were very well written and felt exceptionally gamified, having a very strong "I cast fireball" feeling to them. The same goes for most of the books set in the Forgotten Realms (FR).
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You dont trust me?
Here is a link of best Dungeons Dragons books:
https://yourmoneygeek.com/dnd-books/
Among them is also mentioned the Harper books.


I am not sure what you are trying to prove here. Firstly, that is a subjective list which doesn't even give its criteria for which it decided what counts as best. Secondly, fantasy is not defined by the FR, in terms of fantasy writing, the FR has barely any influence. Terry Pratchett has sold 85m books, other authors like CS Lewis, Suzanne Colins, etc have also sold a ton. D&D is a hugely influential tabletop game, but it is - not - something which is hugely influential in terms of the fantasy genre as a whole and it is especially not particularly influential when it comes to writing. People do not buy into the FR for the writing, its not the selling point of the FR and that is ok. People buy into the FR for a fun collaborative experience which can be had at a table over a couple of drinks.

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Your author is not mentioned among them. I do not care about your satiric comedy. I generally in movies and Tv series like Action and Horror maybe a bit Drama. Fine slitghtly comedy a few moments is ok fun, but I have never cared about satirical comedy movies unless some rare satiric porn movie or satiric Horror movie then maybe lol.

As I have said before, I don't actually care for the writing in the FR at all, compared to other fantasy writing it is just not very good. It doesn't have the depth of characterization of authors like Robin Hobb, or the world building of Sanderson/Robert Jordan. When I am talking about fantasy writing, I am not talking about just the FR, because the FR does not define fantasy as a whole, it is just a small (and quite frankly, not very important) part of it. Trying to define fantasy by only using the FR is setting the bar for writing so low that even an earthworm could crawl over it, because even if you ignore the books written in it, the setting itself just doesn't make much sense and isn't built well at all.

In terms of narrative realism, the setting has so many flaws, for example, pretty much every nation should be ruled over by some form of magical organization, whether they are wizards, warlocks, priests or druids. Tyranny should be the natural state of order, because in a setting with dramatically different levels of power, this is the logical consequence. Furthermore, there are other damn well gaping issues, like how society has been more or less in a technological stasis for 1000's of years. I could go on and on about the (quite frankly) glaring problems the FR has as a setting, but you get the point.

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What about Harry Potter then? Well I think it is more for the children never read those books though I liked the first Harry Potter movie very much when it was a new fresh idea. Ok sometimes a bit less serious and for children fantasy is fine. Harry Potter is also those light fantasy movies a parent can watch with their children.

That said I am not looking for Harry Potter feel to Baldurs Gate 3, but if it has some fun moments then fine.

I am not sure what Harry Potter has got to do with anything.

The OP of this thread said, "the game should feel like a book." I pointed out that there are books which have a similar feel to the DOS games in terms of brevity. I also pointed out that, its probably not a good thing for a game to, "feel like a book" in the first place. Games are an interactive medium, an excellent game is a game that leans into this and takes advantage of the fact that there is some back and forth between the player and isn't just a one way channel where the player reads what is told to them. A bad example of a game, "reading like a book," is the pillars of eternity games, where there was plenty of verbose dialogue used to give character descriptions which you could completely cut out and replaced with a picture of the character next to the dialogue box which would convey the same information and cut down the dialogue by, I would guess, about 70%. Things like character emotions could also be shown through animated characters and actions, rather than through text and this is better taking advantage of the medium as a whole. Gameplay mechanics that mesh and integrate well into the story are also an example of a game taking advantage of its medium, its too bad not many games do things like this though.

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ITT People complaining that Larian is too much Pratchett and demanding them to be more like GRRM.

Well I think it's dreadful that anyone would include any references to Pratchett. *cough*

I think there's room for both. I'm not even sure that I'd categorise GRRM as the yardstick of fantasy anyway as it's the worst* sort of timeless political backstabbing in a fantasy setting, which sometimes feels more like window-dressing. Admittedly I'm not sure that there is a "the yardstick" as there are many facets and it comes down to what we're used to and our personal preferences.

Originally Posted by SerraSerra
I would like to add that some good old Asimov would do the game good as well (in terms of having the feeling of witnessing a grand scheme you gradually uncover and discover you have some part to play in)

I'm as bad with authors as I am with films. Is Asimov another one who injected a lot of humour or am I thinking of someone else? I know that Clarke was one to leave mysteries unsolved (e.g. Rendezvous with... Rama? Dave? whatevs) which I wish ME3 had paid heed to.

Edit: * "worst" as in nastiest, not writing, except that there's a lot of it for my meagre concentration to deal with.

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Originally Posted by SerraSerra
ITT People complaining that Larian is too much Pratchett and demanding them to be more like GRRM.

I would like to add that some good old Asimov would do the game good as well (in terms of having the feeling of witnessing a grand scheme you gradually uncover and discover you have some part to play in)

I am still downloading the game slowly form gog.com bought it yesterday. I did not complain. I told what I wish. When I have played it I can sure give more feedback.

As for GRRM.... I might be called TROLL for this. I am not fan of him as author and barely with great effort managed to see Game of Thrones TV series which I consider one of the most overhyped fantasy TV series. Boring fantasy in mid seasons I have a friend who stopped seeing he could not stand to see it. A bunch of children actors and none charismatic actors with few exceptions like John Snow. Well and the person who killed Witch King...she looks like a little child. You know a woman hero is fine but then take an ELITE welltrained fit looking fighter that is not short.

Titta Keinänen from my country Finland is one of the worlds top ranked Karate women in women heavy weight

no maximum weight she is a tall and strong, fast and agile woman and not some short unfit looking child looking girl that manages to kill Witch King.

I am not a weak man and I have trained Tae Kwon Do in the past that is basically pretty much same as Karate. They have a judge but if someone would say please take full contact match vs Titta Keinänen then I would say please no thanks even during my best fit days. At her top ranking at one point Titta Keinänen was considered number 2 in world ranking in Women heavy weight (no maximum weight) Karate.

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I only wish companions had such excellent depth and development that it all would connect at some point in the game - if I could compare it to any book, then pilgrims from Hyperion (yes, I know it's SF).

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Originally Posted by Terminator2020

Here we go with your subjective taste and you have not named a single fantasy medieval book of your author.

Ed Greenwood bad author? I am pretty sure you have not read his best books.


I have read most of his books, albeit, a very long time ago. I did not think they were very well written and felt exceptionally gamified, having a very strong "I cast fireball" feeling to them. The same goes for most of the books set in the Forgotten Realms (FR).
Originally Posted by Terminator2020

You dont trust me?
Here is a link of best Dungeons Dragons books:
https://yourmoneygeek.com/dnd-books/
Among them is also mentioned the Harper books.


I am not sure what you are trying to prove here. Firstly, that is a subjective list which doesn't even give its criteria for which it decided what counts as best. Secondly, fantasy is not defined by the FR, in terms of fantasy writing, the FR has barely any influence. Terry Pratchett has sold 85m books, other authors like CS Lewis, Suzanne Colins, etc have also sold a ton. D&D is a hugely influential tabletop game, but it is - not - something which is hugely influential in terms of the fantasy genre as a whole and it is especially not particularly influential when it comes to writing. People do not buy into the FR for the writing, its not the selling point of the FR and that is ok. People buy into the FR for a fun collaborative experience which can be had at a table over a couple of drinks.

Originally Posted by Terminator2020


Your author is not mentioned among them. I do not care about your satiric comedy. I generally in movies and Tv series like Action and Horror maybe a bit Drama. Fine slitghtly comedy a few moments is ok fun, but I have never cared about satirical comedy movies unless some rare satiric porn movie or satiric Horror movie then maybe lol.

As I have said before, I don't actually care for the writing in the FR at all, compared to other fantasy writing it is just not very good. It doesn't have the depth of characterization of authors like Robin Hobb, or the world building of Sanderson/Robert Jordan. When I am talking about fantasy writing, I am not talking about just the FR, because the FR does not define fantasy as a whole, it is just a small (and quite frankly, not very important) part of it. Trying to define fantasy by only using the FR is setting the bar for writing so low that even an earthworm could crawl over it, because even if you ignore the books written in it, the setting itself just doesn't make much sense and isn't built well at all.

In terms of narrative realism, the setting has so many flaws, for example, pretty much every nation should be ruled over by some form of magical organization, whether they are wizards, warlocks, priests or druids. Tyranny should be the natural state of order, because in a setting with dramatically different levels of power, this is the logical consequence. Furthermore, there are other damn well gaping issues, like how society has been more or less in a technological stasis for 1000's of years. I could go on and on about the (quite frankly) glaring problems the FR has as a setting, but you get the point.

Originally Posted by Terminator2020

What about Harry Potter then? Well I think it is more for the children never read those books though I liked the first Harry Potter movie very much when it was a new fresh idea. Ok sometimes a bit less serious and for children fantasy is fine. Harry Potter is also those light fantasy movies a parent can watch with their children.

That said I am not looking for Harry Potter feel to Baldurs Gate 3, but if it has some fun moments then fine.

I am not sure what Harry Potter has got to do with anything.

The OP of this thread said, "the game should feel like a book." I pointed out that there are books which have a similar feel to the DOS games in terms of brevity. I also pointed out that, its probably not a good thing for a game to, "feel like a book" in the first place. Games are an interactive medium, an excellent game is a game that leans into this and takes advantage of the fact that there is some back and forth between the player and isn't just a one way channel where the player reads what is told to them. A bad example of a game, "reading like a book," is the pillars of eternity games, where there was plenty of verbose dialogue used to give character descriptions which you could completely cut out and replaced with a picture of the character next to the dialogue box which would convey the same information and cut down the dialogue by, I would guess, about 70%. Things like character emotions could also be shown through animated characters and actions, rather than through text and this is better taking advantage of the medium as a whole. Gameplay mechanics that mesh and integrate well into the story are also an example of a game taking advantage of its medium, its too bad not many games do things like this though.

Well again we go here all above is your subjective taste and not mine. Forgotten realms have many great books. Problem is also that nowadays I really do not read books or if do then very rarely instead I see movies and TV series.

If talking about classic none Forgotten Realms fantasy well that would be for me Tolkien books or Conan The Barbarian.

Well as for how is the story in my opinion in this game? I will answer that when I have played it considerably and still downloading it very slowly from gog.com bought it yesterday late evening.

I have not read almost any scifi books. I have seen the XBOX Halo movie that is rated fairly well on IMDB and it was ok. Starwars is of course a classic franchise though in my opinion they have made so many movies of it now so there is nothing special about it anymore.

I have seen lots of SCIFI TV series though... but usually I like more realistic scifi like The Last Ship
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2402207/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
Action, Drama, SCIFI
which is very much Action based TV series and USA army lended film makers a real USA military ship. Fairly realistic.

Bladerunner movies and Cyberpunk 2077 SCIFI is fine with me.

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Well an update I have now managed to install Baldurs Gate 3 both on my Gaming laptop and Gaming Desktop bought through gog.com

Here are some things noticed so far:
Positive:
A. Graphics, music and sound are nice.
B. Intro how it starts video I rank 5/5 stars.
C. Character creation I like it well ok you can not adjust everything example not adjust boobs size
on women but good enough character creation. Of course more classes, races and Cleric Domains
are welcome.
Neutral:
C. My gaming laptop runs a bit warm but does work.
D. The install to get it work had to uninstall all old Nvidia drivers then I took with Geforce Experinced
and installed newest Nvidia driver... with old driver experienced one chrash but with newest drivers no crash so far.
E. I took Aurora engine instead of Direct X 11.
Slightly negative:
No HOW to tutorial in game. You have to figure it out or be used to such or search in google. I remember Neverwinter Nights ... they had a tutorial that anyone should understand very easily.
I do not need tutorial for Dungeons Dragons rules.
F. Controls feel a bit unnatural currently but I am sure this last part gets better in time.
G. The so called crossover saves with gog.com does not work. If I save with my gaming laptop can not access that with Gaming desktop that save file etc.

No bugs encountered unless you count system crash but that was with very old Nvidia drivers. No problems after newest Nvidia drivers.

Here are my specs that I play with in little bit more detail:
Gaming desktop bought parts year 2018 on different discounts times like Black Friday and
other discount events.
AMD Ryzen 5 2600X Processor in TURBO mode 4.2 Ghz
Socket-AM4, 6-Cores, 12-Threads,
Nvidia 1700 Ti 8GB DDR5
RAM 16 GB to be more exact:
G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4 16GB KIT 3200Mhz
2x8GB, PC25600/3200Mhz, 16GVBK, CL 16
SSD: 500 GB
Separately have none SSD hardrives.
OS: Windows 10

Gaming laptop bought on Black Friday considerable discount November 2018:
MSI GP63 8RE-651NE I5/8/1128/1060
CPU is Intel I5 4 cores 8 threads Processor Base Frequency
2.30 GHz
Max Turbo Frequency
I dont know but more then 3Ghz
Nvidia GeForce® GTX 1060 with 6GB DDR5
8 GB RAM
SSD is to small for games...
Game installed under 1 TERA harddrive.
OS: Windows 10

I have not really noticed performance differences with these but I run with max settings 1080p (FULL HD) resolution my monitors support that resolution. In addition have not played so far yet only in very early beginning so no huge fight experience.

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Ok now I have finished PROLOGUE part of Act1 it took more then one hour for me...
It would be much faster a second time... learned a bit gameplay and other things.
I definitely like the SEXY appeal in the game...
Even though my main character is male the game says create also of opposite sex a character that you dream of well so you do that.
That is not all without spoilers hmm some mildly sexy views already in prologue.
Prologue is also enough well say Epic...

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I too want the game to be overly long, boring, and written in iambic pentametre.


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GRRM is not a great writer in my opinion. Ive read his cycle and it just didnt realy jump out to me.
Its not fantasy its historical fiction withut the part where you can open up wikipedia to get spoilers.

Of course theres fantasy elements but the parts wehre those come up are essentialy the weakest parts of the narrative.

ive recently come to change my mind on fantasy and came full circle admitting that tolkien was right about fantasy.

Fantasy should feel like mythology, especialy like Heroic sagas, with specific themes, allegories and exagrations.

Naturally DnD doesnt do this due to its random nature, beeing much closer to... well to real life in the sense that theres no given out come for anything.
Video games CAN emulate this, ,the question is wehter or not they ought to.

DnD based novels are, if anything, retellings of stories. Lodoss war comes to midn. Thats where you can go into the proper fantasy part. The retelling, the exagration, the part where you insert random songs into the narrative.

With DnD video games youre essentialy asking the question: should you be telling the story, or should you let playerrs enact the story taht is beeing told?
Who is in the right and in the wrong, who is the big damn hero? thsoe questions are to be answered after the action happened.
I think insofar, BG3 works in that it has deliberatley chosen the echew the forrmer and embraced the latter.

This of course makes it look less "epic", but think about recent fantasy, what realy is epic? Witcher? i disagree.
The last fantasy game that even tried that would be Skyrim, and thats almost 10 years old.

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GRRM is not a great writer in my opinion. Ive read his cycle and it just didnt realy jump out to me.
Its not fantasy its historical fiction withut the part where you can open up wikipedia to get spoilers.

Of course theres fantasy elements but the parts wehre those come up are essentialy the weakest parts of the narrative.

ive recently come to change my mind on fantasy and came full circle admitting that tolkien was right about fantasy.

Fantasy should feel like mythology, especialy like Heroic sagas, with specific themes, allegories and exagrations.

Naturally DnD doesnt do this due to its random nature, beeing much closer to... well to real life in the sense that theres no given out come for anything.
Video games CAN emulate this, ,the question is wehter or not they ought to.

DnD based novels are, if anything, retellings of stories. Lodoss war comes to midn. Thats where you can go into the proper fantasy part. The retelling, the exagration, the part where you insert random songs into the narrative.

With DnD video games youre essentialy asking the question: should you be telling the story, or should you let playerrs enact the story taht is beeing told?
Who is in the right and in the wrong, who is the big damn hero? thsoe questions are to be answered after the action happened.
I think insofar, BG3 works in that it has deliberatley chosen the echew the forrmer and embraced the latter.

This of course makes it look less "epic", but think about recent fantasy, what realy is epic? Witcher? i disagree.
The last fantasy game that even tried that would be Skyrim, and thats almost 10 years old.

Well ok looks you are Elder Scrolls fan. There exist them and even Elder Scrolls MMO nowadays you can play them.

The last thing I would like to turn this game is some huge kind of Sandbox like Elder Scrolls. Oh and I really bought Skyrim when you could get it for less then 10 euro. I have not liked any Elder Scrolls game. I am not Witcher fan either though Witcher is great in that way that they have lots of nudity, great graphics and fairly ok combat.

What I want is something like Baldurs Gate 1... you have main story... there are side quests of course. However it is not some huge Sandbox (except in that sense that many classes and races to choose from) the quests are clear.

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Baldur's Gate 2 and Planescape Torment were masterpieces regarding the story and character/world building.


BG2 wasn't ANYWHERE near the same league of Planescape: Torment when it comes to narrative and writing.
It was probably a better game overall, when you pile all its system to the comparison, but when it comes to dialogues, character writing, narrative and what else they are barely even competing in the same discipline.

Torment was arguably among the top two-three examples of writing ever seen in a videogame, regardless of the genre.
BG1 and 2 make for a barely serviceable fantasy romp with cartoony characters, cheap tropes at every turn and silly humor all over the place.




I was just about to say this. Torment is a timeless masterpiece. BG2 is pretty good, for its time.


Both are gems. BG2 is a better game and P:T has better writing and art.

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i fail to comprehend what this post is about.

I was refering to the way a story is told.
it has nothing to do with gameplay.

Fantasy novel style (if done properly) is like a Nordic Saga or the Odyssey, its a heroic story with themes defined and characters that are in many ways mythic archetypes (this is done less and less and its why fantasy novels dteriorate, the fantasy genre doesnt work well for quasi historical fiction as its too easy to handwave almost anyhting, fantasy works well for those kinds of narrative in literature)

a video game has many more options. It CAN lead itself to that kind of narrative, but BG3 is not that. BG3 discribes more the "Basis" for a Legend.
The thing that happens in universe, themes, charactterizations, mythic archetypes and so on would be drawn after the actual action has happened.

Simmilar to, as i said, a DnD campaign.

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Originally Posted by IrenicusBG3

Both are gems. BG2 is a better game and P:T has better writing and art.

I don’t think this is as cut & dry. BG2 and P:T have different objective with their writing - P:T has definitely more depth and finesse but it would be detrimental to BG2 if applied there. BGs are very bioware, black&white pulpy adventures, while P:T does something more thoughtful.

I think we can see the effect of merging the two in Pillars Of Eternity series - which tried to pay a homage to IE as a whole structure and adventure of BGs, combat of IWDs and reflective, subversive storytelling of Planescape. While I love the series, those three games combined into one clash rather hard at times.

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Originally Posted by IrenicusBG3
Both are gems. BG2 is a better game and P:T has better writing and art.
I don’t think this is as cut & dry. BG2 and P:T have different objective with their writing - P:T has definitely more depth and finesse but it would be detrimental to BG2 if applied there. BGs are very bioware, black&white pulpy adventures, while P:T does something more thoughtful.

I think we can see the effect of merging the two in Pillars Of Eternity series - which tried to pay a homage to IE as a whole structure and adventure of BGs, combat of IWDs and reflective, subversive storytelling of Planescape. While I love the series, those three games combined into one clash rather hard at times.
I played whole Pillars of Eternity 1 through and liked it but hated that it was not Dungeons Dragons..

As for PIllars of Eternity 2 at some point I got tired on it to much sandbox huge world and not Dungeons Dragons rule set...

Divinity Originals Sin 2? Well not fun of that but do not hate that game.

I mainly like this game due to Dungeons Dragons... and as for story feels fairly ok but story is not enough for me combat must be good (it is good) and game should be more stable less crash specially if I set max graphics.

Game is still buggy and not stable but this is ALPHA...

Well as for story they could improve it buy offering some GOOD alignment companions but perhaps we can find such in Act 2... current companions are all Evil or Neutral alignment... I dont hate them saved the Gityanki woman she look attractive as well as Shadowheart does...

Here is WHY I personally accept Lae'zel as party member despite Evil alignment more or less:
A. Gityanki was in hands of cruel slave masters the Mindflayers.. but in time got more resilient to their mindpowers and rose up in revolt..
B: In order to win against so powerful foes as Mindflayers Gityanki sought allies and they sent one member to Tiamant the very Evil Dragon deity... the member never returned (likely eaten by Dragon deity) but none the less Tiamant did so that Red Dragons did none aggression treaty with Gityanki and top of that even some Red Dragons agreed to help in the war against the Mind Flayers...
C. The majority of Gityanki either worship Tiamant or some other Evil deity...
D. Growing up in a cruel world the Gityanki themselves physically are strong (they get STR bonus) and they despise weakness and see weaker races as places to plunder much like the Vikings (my ancestors) did.
E. Gityanki could not care less about leftist politics equal equal equal but I share their view in real life I do not give a shit about leftist movement in politics.
F. Lae zel does not have high Charisma and comes like a bit action brute, but her class is Fighter and I respect her.
G. Any debate Lae zel vs Shadowheart in beauty I will not get into and I am neutral to that debate and personally I think both are very beautiful as women.

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It’s hard to feel a novel like experience when in every fight the whole party ist super Mario jumping around out of gravity or logic and eating apples during a swordfight to recover from wounds.

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Originally Posted by Baldurs-Gate-Fan
It’s hard to feel a novel like experience when in every fight the whole party ist super Mario jumping around out of gravity or logic and eating apples during a swordfight to recover from wounds.
Lets not forget the tactics.. get a bit old... oh there is that room wait there is oil barrel I put fire on that...
or what now I shoot there it explodes or shoot that thing there it falls down... oh my I am so good at this game lol...

In addition I have a Light Domain Cleric (my favorite domain from PHB not yet included) but found out that apples and bread quite make healing spells a bit less needed.

However to make a fair point.
Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 used Advanced Dungeons Dragons edition ruleset that has better healing spells.


They have nerfed Cleric to kingdom come in DD 5th edition and healing works less effectively in Dungeons Dragons 5th Edition then previous versions specially if compare to Dungeons Dragons 3.5 that Cleric was one of the most powerful classes. Now in DD5th edition it is a bit effort to make even a fairly ok Cleric that is useful to the party.

Well so in respect to that my healing is inferior despite having good Wisdom score as Cleric... I can use the extra help of food to heal...

In addition that apple will not heal as much in combat like a say higher level healing spell.

My favorite domain is not yet included from Players Handbook but I can also tell that my role (or what I want to do) in party as Cleric is not taking Life Domain and be a pure healing character.

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Playing BG3 should feel like you're taking an ocean cruise only there's no boat and you don't actually go anywhere.

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