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As someone who studied IT, I am not sure whenever I am supposed to laugh or cry at that. But oh god, is the moral of the story relatable. Software and coding in general can be REALLY messy to work with... :'] It is like when you're setting up a computer from scratch - SOMETHING is not going to work and one will have to troubleshoot for hours before the computer works as intended.

And then we have the legendary example - something is acting up with your computer and you troubleshoot the issues. No software resets or system reset works, so you pin it down to a hardware issue. Every single symptom points at one particular hardware component, so you have that particular component replaced. The computer is still acting up so you troubleshoot again, and find some overlapping symptoms for another component and replace it. :'D And so it goes until you've replaced each and every component in your entire hardware setup because the issue is ALWAYS due to the very last component that is replaced. :']

What? Publicly explain what bugs they were experiencing? I wouldn't really expect them to.
Communicate better about what they are doing in general? It wouldn't hurt a bit, frankly.


No one is underestimating anything. I made no complaint about how long it took them to fix the bug.
Especially because most of the times the hardest part of fixing one is understanding WHAT is actually causing it.

EDIT- Well, that twitter chain proves the point wonderfully, I'd say.

Jesus. As they say the biggest problem is not when something doesn't work. The problem is when it works and it shouln't.

To many people, a great companion cast will elevate the story beyond how it’d be normally received. Like DAO and DAI would be pretty generic saving the world stories if it weren’t for the twists the companions in both games brought to the table, for instance. That’s all.

On the topic of Dorian and Astarion, WotR’s Daeran is much closer to Dorian in that he has actual political ability/connections to the nobility, primary difference being he isn’t afraid to use it to encourage you to ignore and snub the useless nobles. And he has little concept of personal decency either. He’s not in this to please other people.

Wenduag would be closer to an Astarion type, and though I’ve never played with her since I usually go for Lann, she supposedly has a lot more depth than she appears at first glance.

Like I see people describe her as someone that worships people and beings of great power in the hopes of attaining it herself, but she is actually doing it to try to elevate her cursed mongrelmen in a super roundabout way. She will also support anyone seeking the same thing alongside her, and the evil part is mostly about quickly deciding to kill anyone who she perceives as getting in her way, including former friends. She can be ruthlessly intelligent, but only measures people based on how much of a threat they can be.

(Mild spoiler interaction with another party member below.)

First BG3 will outsell WoTR - probably by a significant margin. If we were allowed to bet on that I would. Nothing against WoTR - I WILL be playing it myself. I love the work of Owlcat games but they are catering to a more niche audience.

Bg3 catering to a broader audience is not a detriment. There is too much of this player-ownership mentality that demands the exclusion of anything that doesn't specifically cater to ourselves. I would invite you to revisit those instincts as they don't bring you anything but frustration.

Is Astarion written for me? Nope, I am more a Shadowheart type- but we can hang. A smart company will cast a wide net to create something for everyone. WoTC did that with 5e, and it has resulted in massive sales - with 5e outselling every other RPG game out there and bringing in a highly inclusive and diverse audience. The Livestream D&D groups out there are the model of diversity - and it really takes so little except saying "Hey, you have a place here too!"

And this isn't about being "woke" or "SJW" whatever those terms mean. Its about wanting to hang around interesting groups of people that are not like me and realize we have common ground.

I don’t feel the diversity argument really works with BG3’s cast as they are currently designed or written, but maybe the writing might surprise me later. The more cynical side of me is inclined to think the current party members are the way they are not actually because of any evil/neutral alignment testing, but because they are remarkably close in personality to the DOS2 companions, just with way more to say. But it does make sense, it’s a lot easier to do something you already have extensive experience in.

And like you, I’m more of a Shadowheart person, but maybe because she’s the only party member right now who doesn’t appear to worship her personal ego. There’s a reason why the clamoring for other characters to join the party like Alfira (non-edgy good aligned tiefling) and Halsin (buff male elf druid) are far louder than anything similar I’ve ever seen from any other game.

PFH3 in one week... (Larian's Discord)
Patch in ..?

Could we be getting the Paladin?

https://twitter.com/baldursgate3/status/1410617427713429504

Maybe this can work out in a positive, only have them Shove and Throw...

Why Paladin? I see everyone writing Paladin, but I can't understand why, is there some hint?

Considering Swen said that patch 5 will je foccused on features rather than new content, I don't really understand all those people talking about the paladin.

Is there a reference I don't know / understand in "noble sacrifice" ?


Well, you asked just before

Owlcat stating; "nothing is more important to this game than faithfulness", just got to be a jab at Larian's claim they were porting D&D as faithfully as they could

Well ... in last one, there was vines on those pilars. O_o

So maybe its bcs that room reminds people some kind of Stronghold, or Temple? O_o
Im more interested about those cogwheels ... it might be a hint ... i would guess we get Gnomes ... but to dream wild for a second ... woulnt it be AWESOME to get artificer?
I mean, i know that there is still quite a lot "basic classes" missing, but as far as i know, Swen never confrimmed that we will get all classes in EA (even tho it would be logical, if nothing else at least for test properly all Tadpole powers) ... so ... why not dream a little?

//edit:
Fun fact ... i can allready imagine Blackheifer spaming this forum with "i told you" if all we get in matter of content, will actualy be only Gnomes.

Thank you so much for pointing this out. I have been scratching my head over this one too. As one who discovered Dragon Age via recommendations from pals who loved BG1…idk…I thought we were all on the same team. In fact, at the moment, my complaint with the characters are that they are not as well written or empathetic as the chars from DAO…a game that is old af now.

Also, one can play the “character is just a reskinned x” with any character in any game ever. I consider the entire argument about Asterion being too much like Dorian incredibly cheap. Comparing Dorian and Asterion sounds to me like “well groomed, sassy, articulate? Must be a conspiracy!” As if creating characters based on a Byronic archetype is somehow novel or part of an agenda. Lmao. Watch some movies from the 80s…at least half of the bad guys were written like this.

Paladin makes some sense because they are the type that absolutely needs the mechanics to be fixed, proper reactions and such for smites and abilities.
And I do see new classes as more mechanics than new content at this stage. Like how Druid showcased transformation mechanics (which matters for a lot of spells), helped highlight even more issues with concentration, and showcased small bits of positive homebrew and small bits of negative homebrew, as well as showcasing that spell mechanics need more work.

Noble Sacrifice = Paladin to me. Finally a concrete date.

February to July

And there allready are "Paladin" npcs in game, that dont have proper abilities yet. O_o
Or at least, i dont know about any Barbarian, Sorcerer, Monk, or FIGHTING (wich would exclude Alfira) Bard. o_O

July 8th? They better be really careful or there’s a very good chance it’s going to run against the freaking rumored Sony state of play.

So who's excited about Gnomes?!

They are going to include Paladin I hear, but you can only be a gnome. Deal with it.

But in the last interview, they said that they are working only on mechanics, so there will be no classes or somthing like that.