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I think they are just waiting to until they have something to talk about. The the patch had something from the audio team. I dunno what that means but I'm guessing it means that some new cuts scenes were added. I'm guessing some content, even if it just cut scenes and/or Tav's voice.

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I suspect that the reason for this lack of communication seem to be the enormous weight the fans give to any offhand comment Larian's official makes. We spent pages upon pages discussing and analysing every word Sven said during his last interview with IGN, analysing both what he said and what he didn't. Were I in Larian's shoes, I would also be very careful of what I'm saying, since people seem to draw some very far reaching conclusions from every syllable I say. It seems to me like they comment on things they are absolutely sure about, at least for now

To be fair, I think this immense focus on that IGN interview is a direct result of the lack of direct/frequent communication. We have nothing better to do on these forums than discuss that article.

If there was a patch (or community update, big or small) more often, or a roadmap telling us when to expect these updates, then we'd probably give less weight to every offhand remark Swen makes.

Yep I was thinking about this possibility as well. Either way I can't deny that Larian need to improve their communication with the community. But I'm more inclined to give them some leeway at least for a little while more


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I think people could stand to be a little more patient.

Early Access is probably going to last 12-18 months, and we'll probably only get like 4-6 updates during that time. Settle in for the long haul.

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Originally Posted by Abits
I suspect that the reason for this lack of communication seem to be the enormous weight the fans give to any offhand comment Larian's official makes. We spent pages upon pages discussing and analysing every word Sven said during his last interview with IGN, analysing both what he said and what he didn't. Were I in Larian's shoes, I would also be very careful of what I'm saying, since people seem to draw some very far reaching conclusions from every syllable I say. It seems to me like they comment on things they are absolutely sure about, at least for now


Of course. That is one of the main reasons why it is like it is. A LOT of players are not reasonable. But as i already mentioned, there will always be badmouthing the publishers and developers not matter what they do. Pity i think. But i would rather inform the "good" customers and live with the ones that hear and read whatever they want instead of keeping silence and agitate the "good" ones too.

The wording of each comment hast to be very straightforward as to give the least amount of possibility to understand something wrong. That way you can always point back to the post and clarify. Some won't even hear that, i know. As usual the whole community gets punished for a few, sorry for the wording, stupid idiots. Kinda reminds me of politics sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Firesnakearies
I think people could stand to be a little more patient.

Early Access is probably going to last 12-18 months, and we'll probably only get like 4-6 updates during that time. Settle in for the long haul.


Looking at the status of the game that may be a good estimate.

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Originally Posted by Firesnakearies
I think people could stand to be a little more patient.

Early Access is probably going to last 12-18 months, and we'll probably only get like 4-6 updates during that time. Settle in for the long haul.


Pretty sure Swen mentioned monthly updates in Panel From Hell. I think they're just lagging because of unexpected EA numbers.

And 4-6 updates would be WAY too little for how much work the game needs. It's better to do several smaller patches than a few huge ones. I mean, 6 would be just for the classes, if they want to add all before 1.0. Also there's races and companions said to be added during EA. And that on top of all the systems/mechanics that I HOPE are going to be tweaked and tested.

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There will have to be a lot more than 6. You have 6 classes balancing, debugging, additional races, multi classing, mercs, levels above 4 chapters 2-3 to be added there is alot more to be done. Adding additional classes to balance there early levels will help both development and balance patchs is why some commentary would be valuable. All the updates so far have been just bugs and cinimatics so little small updates like we added paladin we fixed 5 bugs wit the ranger we fixed some cinimatics. We dont expect to see this added till around december or january and are also currently working on incorperating druid as well but no eta currently but for the following patch - is an example of them giving a little bit of info without a full disclosure gives community some things to talk about.

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Originally Posted by acatlas
There will have to be a lot more than 6. You have 6 classes balancing, debugging, additional races, multi classing, mercs, levels above 4 chapters 2-3 to be added there is alot more to be done. Adding additional classes to balance there early levels will help both development and balance patchs is why some commentary would be valuable. All the updates so far have been just bugs and cinimatics so little small updates like we added paladin we fixed 5 bugs wit the ranger we fixed some cinimatics. We dont expect to see this added till around december or january and are also currently working on incorperating druid as well but no eta currently but for the following patch - is an example of them giving a little bit of info without a full disclosure gives community some things to talk about.


I agree on most of that, but I'm pretty sure Acts 2 and 3 will only be added on full release.

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I also would have wished for a much better communication policy and more recent updates... more something like one patch per month, ideally with up- and downvote which features should be implemented...

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I'm okay with waiting. COVID, big game to fix, lots of pressure to perform. Of course I'd prefer not to wait but I get why are.

Besides, I'm hoping that the longer we wait the more it indicates that we are Xmas patch with presents inside. *Rolls to d20 to see if we are getting Moonrise Towers*

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A romantic scene with Astarion would be a good gift for me...


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I only want to be able to run this game without frame rates drop and textures loading mid scene.


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Yeah, this game really demands a great deal from the machine. My old laptop spiked to 97 degrees halfway through the character creator.

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And there is no justification for it. The game looks good, but it's not the Witcher 3


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Originally Posted by Abits
And there is no justification for it. The game looks good, but it's not the Witcher 3


Certainly not in the fabric/hair physics department...

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Originally Posted by Merry Mayhem
Come on people, stop expecting Larian Studios to act like an AAA studio who can do stuff like Tactical Adventures.

https://www.solasta-game.com/news/105-dev-update-23-winter-patch-preview

Oh wait, Tactical Adventures is a tiny independent studio who seems to understand how to communicate during an early access.


Wow Solasta is knocking it out of the park with these updates, can’t wait to get back into it

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Always enjoy seeing a request for a roadmap, especially since those things get altered, ignored, tossed out the window or lit on fire. Frequent communication just gives a different kind of avenue for complaints, this is the internet don't expect rational discourse to be the norm. As for the release of Act 2 and 3, that's happening at the game's full release. I figure the next patch will be more classes, maybe races, plus however many bug fixes. The evil path overhaul will probably be farther down the line. I'd rather they take their time overhauling that story rather than rushing out something for field testing.

Solasta could very well be an amazing game, maybe the shilling is an indicator, probably not though. However, unless it's BG or Arcanum I just don't care.

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Originally Posted by Abits
I only want to be able to run this game without frame rates drop and textures loading mid scene.

Optimization is always something that gets done near the end of development. Also UI typically gets a full pass near the end of the process. In both cases its more efficient to finalize these after the game is basically complete. Making performance optimizations and UI changes now would likely just result in rework for Larian down the road.

As for presenting a roadmap . . . I really don't think Larian feels comfortable enough to do that yet. I suspect they will give more information at some point. Its been a pretty confusing schedule for Larian, in part due to COVID. Even the Early Access release slipped dates and was a challenge to get out.

It sounds like a 3rd patch isn't too far out (given all the Steam updates). Larian is probably scrambling to get as many updates included in the patch as possible, and likely has some things that they are attempting to include but may need to be cut if bugs or schedule prevents it.

I would expect them to provide more concrete information as time goes by and things stabilize (both the game development and COVID)

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Originally Posted by FelLich
Always enjoy seeing a request for a roadmap, especially since those things get altered, ignored, tossed out the window or lit on fire. Frequent communication just gives a different kind of avenue for complaints, this is the internet don't expect rational discourse to be the norm. As for the release of Act 2 and 3, that's happening at the game's full release. I figure the next patch will be more classes, maybe races, plus however many bug fixes. The evil path overhaul will probably be farther down the line. I'd rather they take their time overhauling that story rather than rushing out something for field testing.

Solasta could very well be an amazing game, maybe the shilling is an indicator, probably not though. However, unless it's BG or Arcanum I just don't care.

Yes, I've followed other games development and EVERY comment the developer makes WILL get torn to bits . . . regardless of how much they communicate. And god forbid if they have to go back on their word . . . I've seen everything from death threats to employees having breakdowns to the point of leaving the industry.
Its FAR safer for everyone at Larian if they err on the side of saying too little.

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Originally Posted by trengilly
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I only want to be able to run this game without frame rates drop and textures loading mid scene.

Optimization is always something that gets done near the end of development. Also UI typically gets a full pass near the end of the process. In both cases its more efficient to finalize these after the game is basically complete. Making performance optimizations and UI changes now would likely just result in rework for Larian down the road.

I can live with that and I believe you are right. For all it's flaws, if there is one thing I can safely say dos2 does much better than any newish crpg I've played over the last few years is good performance. I feel like something so basic has became some sort of a recommendation only in this genre


Larian's Biggest Oversight, what to do about it, and My personal review of BG3 EA
"74.85% of you stood with the Tieflings, and 25.15% of you sided with Minthara. Good outweighs evil, it seems."
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