Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - General OMG this update you guyyyyyyys!

I agree this is great stuff. I had to read it three times before I really got the story straight, ha! From now on, I am going to leave my cell phone in the car and wear a wig and hat just like Dick the Lock when I go to the veteran to have a dice removed from my cat while inside an electro-magnetically active operating room.

i wonder if youre just trying to wind me up now
>warlock is a 4th edition class with 4th edition problems

For one thing, Warlock is not a 4th edition class and i dont know how youd come to that conclusion.
Warlock very much was a thing in 3.5, maybe you got confused because Pathfinder doesnt have Warlocks, but they were introduced with 3.5.
Secondly i DM a year long 4e campaign with a warlock in the party right now and there are none of these issues. Thats due to 4e not beeing poorly designed and making sure that this doesnt happen.
AEDU has this entire system baked into the core of the rules and as such the entire "issue" with short rests is resolved by applying it to everyone.

The only "4e" like class in 5e is the battlemaster, and by which i mean its a butchering of a system that 4e applied to all classes.
Battlemasters existance is the reason other fighter archetypes in 5e will always be lackluster.

See, you might not be aware of this but when 5e originally came around, the Battlemasters maneuvers and superiority die were simply a system for the fighter.
And for some reaosn that nobody now understands it got removed again and shoved into its own subclass, making all of these systems unavailable to other martial classes.

The reason for this primarily beeing grognards crying about not all of the special attention going to wizards.

And this just marks the entire problem with 5e. It doesnt know wha tit wants to do, it waters down all the good thigns from previous editions, tries to implement them at the same time and, this is the part where our two analysis are gonna diverge, fails miserably at it.
The quasi short rest focused playstyle of Warlock completley falls apart next to other characters in 5e, especialy if you then abuse the system when multiclassing a paladin.

Instead of a functional system, you got several butchered system that dotn work with one another

Amen. 5e purist are the biggest danger to BG3 at the moment, let's hope Larian filters their noise out.

I myself am NOT a fan of D&D rules, especially 5e rules, and am happy to see Larian change 5e rules wherever it is appropriate to make this VIDEO game fun for players.

That said, "5e purists" are not the problem with the game. It is "D:OS purists" who are the real problem. And just between those two groups' preferences, the "5e purists" ought to be favored over the "D:OS purists" 100% of the time by Larian in what is supposedly a D&D game.

(With the disclaimer that I don't have my own crystallized opinions on companions yet.)

You're conflating "evil" with "unlikeable", "annoying", "bitchy" and a couple of other things that don't need to go together. From what I can tell from reading this forum, it's the latter that many people don't like: companions criticizing every small thing you do and generally being a pain. No one complained about Viconia, because Viconia may have been a cold bitch, but wasn't bitchy.

BG2 is actually a good example of evil characters being "likeable" (the whole evil cast I think) and good characters being "unlikeable" (YMMV, but let's say Nalia, Anomen and Aerie.)

So the problem isn't generally the morality (or lack thereof), it's how the characters are portrayed; their personality, their writing. On the subject of the latter, several users noted that they all behave like characters in a teenage drama or the like. It's not just evil alignment. (Wyll and Gale have also been criticized.)

But it's also not that I don't see your point: some people ARE complaining because the evil companions aren't instantly chummy with their PC. And since most people tend towards "goody-two-shoes", it's more likely the evil characters won't be happy with how things go.

I myself am NOT a fan of D&D rules, especially 5e rules, and am happy to see Larian change 5e rules wherever it is appropriate to make this VIDEO game fun for players.

That said, "5e purists" are not the problem with the game. It is "D:OS purists" who are the real problem. And just between those two groups' preferences, the "5e purists" ought to be favored over the "D:OS purists" 100% of the time by Larian in what is supposedly a D&D game.

What DOS purists? I don't remember seeing anyone saying "the game should be more like DOS".

I think this needs to be adapted into the form of interpretive dance. Possibly directed by Kojima.

I think we've found the author of this.

Yes, buuuut Solasta. But Solasta is doing it right

Sorry but combat is better now that the cantrips are back to core DnD. Sometimes people know what they want. Granted Solasta is just a dungeon crawl with fugly graphics but people are having lots of fun with combat.

i dont even think there needs to be a distinciton between "based on dnd" and "dnd"
everyone houserules in dnd.

This may not be a charitable interpretation but thats the internet for you. As i pointed out before, "feats" are an optional rule in 5e. Thats not exactly houserules but that means that in order to play the game "Properly" , i.e. how every single DM seems to run the game at least from my anecdotal evidence of /tg/ and other roleplaying oriented circles, you need to extend the basic ruleset.

Which leads me to the conclusion that people angry about larian doing just that, are just angry at larian and either dont play dnd at all, play another edition of it or simply are only used to ADnD 2E based video games and assume RAW 5e is somehow the same thing.

Sorry but I've gotta' ask: Where is this "ugly graphics" thing coming from about Solasta? I have yet to play the game myself, but what I have seen of its graphics looks really good. Maybe not as good as BG3 or other AAA-budget games to be sure, but very good. Here's their latest dev update, which includes some in-game screenshots, which imo look gorgeous.

https://forums.solasta-game.com/forum/dev-update-25-new-content-sneak-peek

Sorry but I've gotta' ask: Where is this "ugly graphics" thing coming from about Solasta? I have yet to play the game myself, but what I have seen of its graphics looks really good. Maybe not as good as BG3 or other AAA-budget games to be sure, but very good. Here's their latest dev update, which includes some in-game screenshots, which imo look gorgeous.

https://forums.solasta-game.com/forum/dev-update-25-new-content-sneak-peek

You know what I've not seen in a video game for a long time? Woodcuts. Find an artist who does electronic wood portraits.

Some of the settings are nice but the close ups are terrible after playing bg3. Elves look like the hunchback on Notre Dame and sound like characters from Eastenders. The (super responsive devs) say that they are improving the closeups but they would do much better to scrap them and what PoE did and use hand drawn sketches.

You know what I've not seen in a video game for a long time? Woodcuts. Find an artist who does electronic wood portraits.

Edit: didn't realize Uncle Lester already answered

I think it's mostly character models, although they seem to be improving on that front (Winter Patch announcement). The faces look... kind of weird and the proportions are wonky. The hair looks like it's sculpted from polymer clay. The grid system also means the world is very visibly... well, grid-based and square-ish.

However, the environment shots look gorgeous indeed. I personally won't be put off by the graphics too much, I consider them pretty good for an indie, especially if they can improve the character models.

Btw, thanks for providing the link, I somehow missed that.

Yeah the grid-thing look is something that bothers me too (in all grid-based games). Character models are apparently improving, so we'll see.

Personally, and this is in response to @KillerRabbit as well, in the context of a small indie developer with a very tight budget, I'd rather they spend their money on pretty much anything else compared with graphics and character model fidelity. Don't get me wrong. When a game has awesome graphics, I welcome that and love it. There's a comment I made in another thread about realism in my RPGs. I love my RPGs to have as much realism as is possible, and the close-ups of character models showing very high levels of realism and detail is fantastic. But if I'm faced with (budget) trade-offs, I'm happy to sacrifice graphics over such things as story, character development, branching dialogue, interesting quests, etc.

My dude.
I dont know what to tell you, maybe we ought to turn it into one of those little maths diagrams for high school.

It's a nigh-universal sentiment that saying "I told you so" and gloating when you're right is crass, and not a good look for anyone. I agree with that thought, as it really is very obnoxious.


But...


In this case, I am perfectly willing to be obnoxious.


I told you! Look at this update, look at how many things they changed DIRECTLY from our feedback! All you jokers that kept saying "oh they don't care about our feedback, oh they're not gonna change anything, oh Larian doesn't give a crap about us", how does it feel to be profoundly wrong? They ARE listening, they DO care. I told you yahoos to just be patient, and now I'm just over here swimming in my fundamental rightness like Scrooge McDuck through his pool full of gold.


Also, thanks Larian! You guys are awesome.