Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Suggestions & Feedback The new "nicer" companion dialog seems out of place

Lol what kind of chicks do you all hang around? From what I gathered being "strong" is being standoffish? Now she is weak and uninteresting? Do you want to hang around nitpicking standoffish non agreeable chicks?

Don't know about you folks, but a companionship whether romantic or not does not happen if both parties at least tolerant to each other. In the game what reason is their for her to be rude and boderline hostile besides the player being Gith? Having secrets is as easy as not talking about it. It's got nothing to do with attitude.

Now some of you are using that as an excuse to attack dudes. Hmmm I don't know does not seem right to me. Were you even planning on having her in the party?

Devil's advocate: "The males are too weak and feminine. Perfect for a high school girl fanfic".

See thats how some of you look. Shame.

The reactions are much the same. From what I've noticed --

Wyll is pretty much the same in my playthrough

Shadowheart walks around with smile more often than not. Previously she had a resting scowl and the only time you saw her smile is when you mentioned night orchids. Someone made a post reddit suggesting the smile was graphics bug. Previously she thought the kiss was a mistake, now she's happy she made an impression. I'm guessing they swapped in the "committed" relationship voice overs.

Astarian is much friendlier -- which is strange since he and my toon disagree on nearly everything. Before he started out conversations with "you're staring again"and a scowl and now it's "well hellloo" and a smile.

I think that some of the comments might be referencing this older topic:

https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=735973#Post735973

It seems that they made SH more agreeable to them at the cost of making her more boring to the others. I'm guessing that while all NPC's are supposed to be playable, SH is specially meant as a romance more that anything else, so they try hard for SH to be likable.

PD: I kind of liked Astarion saying the "you are staring again" and his other anthics. It was fun. The flirty tone for when he has higher approval doesn't fit at less approval. Besides, what would he say when approval goes higher?

Oh Jesus now the simping will get even worse

I've met some poisonous people whom cover it with politeness on the surface. Maybe its a western thing. That's why I appreciated SH showing her true emotions. Memory wipe, serving unforgiving godess and her artifact mission, magical flarings and, crème de la crème, possiability to turn into mindflayer at any given moment (which won't happen till the end of the game if at all but she doesn't know that). This is shitload of stress. I would like to see true person chilled about that.

I like to work, to earn her trust and warm up. Smile was rewarding.

I can only disagree, I think, that being standofish makes sense at all given the "we're all about to die horribly" situation. It makes a lot more sense to just get on with it. Any active pushing away is absurd if your head is about to pop open. The place of "romance" here is equally absurd, imo, which makes it part of a broader problem that you leave a UFO with a timebomb in your head but then start your first day of school. Like a weird fever dream.

So it's not smirky teenager vs. waifu. As I said before, I think both "versions" are equally fetishistic (which makes sense, because all characters in BG3 are designed to be fuckable as an obvious "goal"), and more than a little detached from the supposedly imminent *pop.*

Definitely agree with you and others that the way they reacted is not a serious fix.

Isn't that with the assumtion that peoples true colors are horrible. Thats just not always the case my friend. It does not sound like you are building a rapport, but rather wearing the person down. That is probably why you assume horrible people are nice and nice people are posion. I don't know you so I have nothing more to say about that.

All I can say is don't expect to be happy if you have to "work" for anything with people. It puts you in a bad and unnecessary spot.

Stress and fear is what gets you killed. Keeping a cool head and think things through is the way. Why be hostile? No time for any bs drama including rudeness. Emotional instability. Nothing interesting or useful in that. It is a reason to leave her ass on a grove corner. If she was actually good with secrets she would say very little and follow along and subtlety take whatever. In which case I'd leave her 8 int ass anyway. Lol

The only way is to cut the rude bs and join the team like a normal tadpole infectee.

I would not even think about trust in Shadowheart's case since its literally join me or die from several things that have nothing to do with me including whats in her pocket.

So far, I preferred the before over the after.

I agree with some of the OP. You can tell which lines were newly recorded. In some of the scenes, Lae'zel doesn't even sound the same. I wondered if it was a different voice actor.

The VR issue definitely needs to be fixed regardless of scripting.

This is awful... I do not know what else to say, for many ppl he was attractive without these corrections. He's an asshole, but people love him for it. Also, because of this, you can't feel the" growth " of relationship....

I said some people, do not misinterpret. We had wide spectrum of companion's characters, now some of them lost their uniqueness. And working on trust is normal thing when person has her baggage like SH. She was guarded and opened because of our actions. Now they removed it, she became more flat. @Nyloth pointed the thing with Astarion, similar problem.
What kind of progression is left for SH? Show her true colors as evil priestess. We have Gale, he's kind but very manipulative.

What devs could do is cutting some of disapproves, giving at least one good companion and leaving VA untouched. Now its a mess.

How considerate of you. So you get all the edgy/manipulative/conniving/evil companions that you like, but I only get one good companion for my good party?

I don't mind evil companions in general, but is this a good opportunity for me to mention for the hundredth time Our Lord and Saviour, More Companions That Aren't Necessarily Origins?

Maybe just WAIT??? They said they would add more companions. So let them add good companions, and do not correct the evil...

Blame the devs, they wanted to bring us baddies at first. 3 more good companions incoming so you will get your dream team someday.
Still, nothing prevents you from demanding more sexy good companions.

Yes I know we are supposed to be getting good companions at some future point. But (a) I remain skeptical about these "good" companions we will supposedly get (because they not only need to be good-aligned but also likeable), and (b) the interesting discussions about the companions are happening now and I want to weigh in too and not wait to do so many, many months from now when everyone else has moved on.

Also just to note, I don't need them to be "sexy." Just good and likeable. I don't care at all about romance in my RPGs. What I do care about, a LOT, is camaraderie, friendship, and brother/sisterhood with my party companions.

(Sorry, I appear to comment a lot on your posts today. :P)

I have some faint hope that the currently unreleased companions still have some chance of being tweaked according to our feedback. It would be easier than tweaking the current ones, anyway. Two of those characters appear tentatively ok to me, although I haven't read the datamining thread, so I've got no info on any details. (I know about them at all because people have exactly 0 respect for the "tag your spoilers" rule. Speaking of which...)





I'm pretty sure that Verte was jokingly referring to the spammed "we demand more sexy [whatever]" threads one user produced en masse. But besides that: +1000 to what you said, couldn't agree more.

That was my intention ofc

While I dislike current companions toned down to be gentle smiling people, I would love to see more options than just romancing them and even more to see their banters goes like they are growing on each other (like a fungus ;-)) not just flirting. This and their character progression (getting nicer over time, not from get go) would give us more companionship.

I have the same concerns as Uncle Lester's spoiler.

I want scowling Shadowheart back and I want to her break off the relationship with the MC only to start it again. Just like the Viconia romance. This should be part of her redemption -- Shar is goddess of loss and sorrow. New hope and new beginnings should invoke a crisis of faith.

While I normally agree with Kanisatha I did like Durance exactly because he was going through a crisis of faith. I wanted to help him understand that he was serving a goddess that used him like a tool to be discarded when he was no longer fit for purpose. Durance never became 'good' because 'good' doesn't exist in PoE but I enjoyed bringing him to the point that he would denounce Magran.

So far I like old Shadowheart and current Wyll the best.

Sorry, it seems Larian's focus testing has shown that the majority of players do not enjoy companions talking back to them, and they will now have no choice but to adore the player from the moment they meet.