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I start to think to buy this demo was a terrible blunder. 4 months after EA release we are still stuck at level 4. No new class or race added. No new area. We are waiting for a new release where none of this is announced. Instead of this, we have goblins with a ton of HP and less bugged video sequences. Or am I the only one losing my patetience?

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Which goblins have tons of hp? There's couple bosses with 26-28, but most of them have 8-16hp.

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You were actively discouraged to join early access by Larian. We all were. This is a development period, the early stages at that. And, already, Larian demonstrated how much they care about player reaction and consumer opinion.

EA may end being over 2 years long. There is a long way to go before the finished game is done.

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Originally Posted by pageu
Which goblins have tons of hp? There's couple bosses with 26-28, but most of them have 8-16hp.
Typically, goblins only have 7 (2d6) hp, so even 8-16 is high. This is not necessarily a bad thing. However, while Larian reduced their AC to compensate, Larian did *not* reduce their Saving Throws (thus devaluing ST spells like Sacred Flame) or give a proportional buff to Sleep.

That said, these goblins have been present from the start. So I'm not sure why OP groups them with updates such as fixing video sequences..

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Originally Posted by Martinoso
I start to think to buy this demo was a terrible blunder. 4 months after EA release we are still stuck at level 4. No new class or race added. No new area. We are waiting for a new release where none of this is announced. Instead of this, we have goblins with a ton of HP and less bugged video sequences. Or am I the only one losing my patetience?

"Early Access" doesn't mean what you think it means.

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Try patience. This game will be awesome in time.

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Theyre trying to make us happy. even to the point of rewriting a good character to appease forumites.
Developing a game just takes a really long time.
Goblins being interesting to fight is good too, makes the game fun. Also the goblin models and characterisation is great, this is about the best version of goblins in DnD.
Also try Solastra, also EA, but it's goblins wiped me out first time. Mostly as I didn't expect they could climb up cliffs and flank me, but still. Goblins are a threat at low levels. Goblins are cool.

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This is Early Access, not a demo. This process takes time, sometimes years. We were told that we would only have Act 1 and only get to go to level 4 in this. They probably will rebalance goblins at some point.

Just like we were told the neutral and evil companions were getting released first but people still complain about that as well.

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I eventually got sick of hearing that the "early access will go up to level 4". I can't believe people are asking when the level cap will go higher than 4. This has not even been discussed in any way, shape or form.

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I eventually got sick of hearing that the "early access will go up to level 4". I can't believe people are asking when the level cap will go higher than 4. This has not even been discussed in any way, shape or form.

I understand Larian stated level 4 will be max in EA. I suggested they go up to level 5 because stopping at level 4 is a big mistake IMO.

If people think the game is broken now, they will be in shock how much more broken it will be at level 5. Level 5 is when each character’s power doubles. It’d be nice for Larian to get some data from all the EA folks.

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Originally Posted by Gt27mustang
I eventually got sick of hearing that the "early access will go up to level 4". I can't believe people are asking when the level cap will go higher than 4. This has not even been discussed in any way, shape or form.

I understand Larian stated level 4 will be max in EA. I suggested they go up to level 5 because stopping at level 4 is a big mistake IMO.

If people think the game is broken now, they will be in shock how much more broken it will be at level 5. Level 5 is when each character’s power doubles. It’d be nice for Larian to get some data from all the EA folks.

Yes, I agree. They really should allow level 5 before release so that they can calibrate to that power level. It's probably fine to hold it at 4 for a little while though so that they can get a sense of how we do when we push too far at low level (I think underdark is probably intended for lvl 5).

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I find amazing how many people's lives depend on Larian creating new content.

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Well I mean, we already bought into EA (for better or worse) and they already have our money, so we're just stuck dealing with whatever gets shoved down the pipeline. The easiest way to preserve your sanity during this process is to completely forget about the game and check to see if it's been updated every two or three months and pray that there's a serviceable product once it hits retail.


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Originally Posted by spectralhunter
Originally Posted by Gt27mustang
I eventually got sick of hearing that the "early access will go up to level 4". I can't believe people are asking when the level cap will go higher than 4. This has not even been discussed in any way, shape or form.

I understand Larian stated level 4 will be max in EA. I suggested they go up to level 5 because stopping at level 4 is a big mistake IMO.

If people think the game is broken now, they will be in shock how much more broken it will be at level 5. Level 5 is when each character’s power doubles. It’d be nice for Larian to get some data from all the EA folks.
Yeah, lvl 5 is the first major power jump for just about every class, so I think they'd be smart to include it in EA at some point.

I am curious how Rogue's Uncanny Dodge will work in the current build. Reactions behave strangely.


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I couldn’t care less for lvl as long as the combat is still a new super Mario version with DnD painting.

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Originally Posted by Martinoso
I start to think to buy this demo was a terrible blunder. 4 months after EA release we are still stuck at level 4. No new class or race added. No new area. We are waiting for a new release where none of this is announced. Instead of this, we have goblins with a ton of HP and less bugged video sequences. Or am I the only one losing my patetience?
This is why I will not play any early access games what's the point in playing a game that is unfinished when I can just wait until it is finished


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Originally Posted by Martinoso
I start to think to buy this demo was a terrible blunder. 4 months after EA release we are still stuck at level 4. No new class or race added. No new area. We are waiting for a new release where none of this is announced. Instead of this, we have goblins with a ton of HP and less bugged video sequences. Or am I the only one losing my patetience?
This is why I will not play any early access games what's the point in playing a game that is unfinished when I can just wait until it is finished
To help making it the kind of game you want it to become.

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I do not know about you but I rather not use huge amount of time to play games...

Being in ALPHA let you:
A. You do know system requirements. If not happy you can upgrade hardware.
B. Test gameplay (though currently limited to not all classes and only Normal difficulty level) and for sure when full release comes there is not learning curve so much you already know how to play and since early access finishing whole game will not take so long since you know already some parts how to finish them.
C. Classes test different classes and races and builds.
D. Give suggestions and feedback on the forums.

Now I do hope they would release a bit more classes (and stuff like all Players Handbook Cleric Domains) before full release... but regarding level naah I do not need that now in full release there are more levels.

Well what you feel Normal is to easy like me? I am sure they will release different difficulty level the Alpha is on normal there is likely to be Easy, Normal, Hard and Nightmare as example I do not know how they will name them or how many difficulty levels.

This all being said I hope they release a Patch 4 in February 2021 with more content and not some simple bug fixes only. Disclaimer I do not know when Patch 4 will be released or what it will contain?

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Originally Posted by DiDiDi
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Originally Posted by Martinoso
I start to think to buy this demo was a terrible blunder. 4 months after EA release we are still stuck at level 4. No new class or race added. No new area. We are waiting for a new release where none of this is announced. Instead of this, we have goblins with a ton of HP and less bugged video sequences. Or am I the only one losing my patetience?
This is why I will not play any early access games what's the point in playing a game that is unfinished when I can just wait until it is finished
To help making it the kind of game you want it to become.
I get what you are saying but the last thing I need is to play a game that is unfinished that's what pretty much put me off from ever completing Pathfinder Kingmaker that game had so many bugs in it time they fixed all of the bugs the damage was already done for me


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Originally Posted by Terminator2020
I do not know about you but I rather not use huge amount of time to play games...

Being in ALPHA let you:
A. You do know system requirements. If not happy you can upgrade hardware.
B. Test gameplay (though currently limited to not all classes and only Normal difficulty level) and for sure when full release comes there is not learning curve so much you already know how to play and since early access finishing whole game will not take so long since you know already some parts how to finish them.
C. Classes test different classes and races and builds.
D. Give suggestions and feedback on the forums.

Now I do hope they would release a bit more classes (and stuff like all Players Handbook Cleric Domains) before full release... but regarding level naah I do not need that now in full release there are more levels.

Well what you feel Normal is to easy like me? I am sure they will release different difficulty level the Alpha is on normal there is likely to be Easy, Normal, Hard and Nightmare as example I do not know how they will name them or how many difficulty levels.

This all being said I hope they release a Patch 4 in February 2021 with more content and not some simple bug fixes only. Disclaimer I do not know when Patch 4 will be released or what it will contain?
While I mostly agree with you, 5e is a system where level 5 is a huge bump up from level 4. It's the level where just about every class begin to get into their own, be it by getting multiple attacks, 3rd level spells or other powerful class features like Uncanny Dodge and Bardic Inspiration on short rest. With the current experience yields, we could pretty easily hit level 5 around the time we go into the Underdark (possibly even a lot sooner).

Because of this, it might be a good idea both to get to know how much more powerful the player's party will be in practice by letting us test it for them and how this impacts the overall difficulty of the Underdark specifically. If the stats they have for the Underdark from our playtesting is based on us being level 4, it might end up all too easy when the game is released and people go there when every one of their characters are significantly stronger.


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