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Cant say i understand that sentence ...
You "hope the feeling is mutual" ... so you "hope i dont care what you have to say" ... yet, you said it, even tho you "hope" i would not care ...
And what is even more interesting, you said "if you have something to say" ... that condition would mean you dont care only, when i have something to say ... when i dont, you care then? O_o

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So, please enlighten me ... what exactly was your goal here? O_o

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I liked original spellcasting system more ... frown

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Originally Posted by Saito Hikari
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I think it would make MOST D&D players drool. The issue is building the platform with a solid foundation rooted squarely in 5e. Which, at this point, Larian seems either hesitant to, or resistant to...

I also think a platform isn't happening unless Larian plans to abandon the Divinity Original Sin series, the next DOS game gets its gameplay completely transformed, and/or Larian gets straight up bought out by WotC. The potential licensing otherwise is going to be extremely messy.

I would also think we can get a better platform than one that apparently struggles to implement any kind of true flight or proper reactions.


I dont know man, im trying to stay positive about this. I know its a much needed feature to really make this feel like DnD. The fact so many other games have done this and some still are, I just see it as a huge blowback to a lot of BG and DnD fans. Its why I have tried to be noisy about it. Together we can get almost any feature we want, but with the DnD franchise and the huge desire for the DM mode on this, I really dont see why it wouldnt be implemented. Let make some noise! lol

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For those who think Hasbro & WoTC would save BG3 if they took it over, I don't think so. Look at the new Dark Alliance game. It makes BG3 look like 100% pure and true, 100% vanilla, by the books, D&D game. It not like Hasbro has really cared how fateful a video game for D&D is, as long as they get their licensing money. Look at the Sword Coast Legends, another D&DINO game. I do wish that Hasbro would protect the rules of their D&D games more but since they never seem to in the past, not expecting them to do so now.

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Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Cant say i understand that sentence ...
You "hope the feeling is mutual" ... so you "hope i dont care what you have to say" ... yet, you said it, even tho you "hope" i would not care ...
And what is even more interesting, you said "if you have something to say" ... that condition would mean you dont care only, when i have something to say ... when i dont, you care then? O_o

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So, please enlighten me ... what exactly was your goal here? O_o

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You are so right on so many levels. Really no point arguing with you on any kind of topics. I still think the game is a pretty bad state of communication with players right now, after 6 months of EA. About you? Do you think milk and cookies are unhealthy? If Boo was a bear and Winny the poo a hamster, could Minsc tell them apart? Ah I love red wine, about you? Kiss kiss peace and love wink

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Most of it sounds like offtopic ... but since value of this topic cant go lower, why the hells no. laugh

Nah, im fine as it is. smile Game is fun, and we get something new to talk about often enough to keep myself entertained. smile
Yeah, i thing they are unealthy ... but not so unhealthy so you cant have some from time to time, if you keep sporting sometimes. smile
That is tough one ... i belive Minsc would get them both on adventure, and protect them with his own life.
I more for mead to be honest, but red wine is certainly better than white wine. smile

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Originally Posted by Merry Mayhem
For those who think Hasbro & WoTC would save BG3 if they took it over, I don't think so. Look at the new Dark Alliance game. It makes BG3 look like 100% pure and true, 100% vanilla, by the books, D&D game. It not like Hasbro has really cared how fateful a video game for D&D is, as long as they get their licensing money. Look at the Sword Coast Legends, another D&DINO game. I do wish that Hasbro would protect the rules of their D&D games more but since they never seem to in the past, not expecting them to do so now.

This is going to sound cynical but we don't know if Dark Alliance is good or bad yet since it doesn't release for another 11 days. It may be brilliant or terrible.

I mean looking at it I know its not MY kind of game but who knows what the audience may be. Hopefully that isn't affecting Larian's radio silence since I don't see an overlap in the market for those two games. Except for the small niche of people who will buy anything with D&D plastered on it.

I honestly didn't even know Hasbro made video games until you mentioned they had control over Dark Alliance. Then I read this:

"In the deal, Atari's parent company acquired a 10-year exclusive deal to produce video games based on 10 key Hasbro franchises, including Dungeons & Dragons, Monopoly, Scrabble, Game of Life, Battleship, Clue, Yahtzee, Simon, Risk and Boggle."

One of these things is not like the other...


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Off-topic but the good thing about Dark Alliance is that it's now getting couch co-op!!! This is likely because of the massive amounts of feedback and negativity when it was earlier announced that there would be no local multiplayer. The devs said "We heard you loud and clear."

I will now put this game back on my wishlist, if only to support the developer listening to player feedback.

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Sorry, I did not mean that Dark Alliance is a bad game, just that it not really using the D&D ruleset, just the D&D lore.

I want both in my D&D games, using the rules I know and the lore I love.

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Originally Posted by Merry Mayhem
Sorry, I did not mean that Dark Alliance is a bad game
Well, conversely, from what I've seen I'm almost ready to bet on it.


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Honestly, I don't really know nor care if Dark Alliance will be good. Perhaps it will be a great action game (I think thats what it is going for) and perhaps it will be terrible, but I don't think it'd have any bearing on BG3 because other than the connection to D&D they are two completely different beasts and I don't think would impact eachother's development unless they contradicted themselves in canon which would give BG3 some minor rewriting at most (unless Dark Alliance does something stupid like Blow up the entirety of Baldurs Gate.)

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Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
but since value of this topic cant go lower

It astonishes me how you think that a complete lack of communication from Larian on this project is just okay.

But hey, to each their own.

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Originally Posted by DrDrizzyT
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but since value of this topic cant go lower
It astonishes me how you think that a complete lack of communication from Larian on this project is just okay.

But hey, to each their own.
I dare you to quote where i said that. smile

Or i can save your some time and tell you imediatly that i didnt ... therefore i dunno where you get that, but it was certainly not in my mouth. wink

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Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Originally Posted by DrDrizzyT
Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
but since value of this topic cant go lower
It astonishes me how you think that a complete lack of communication from Larian on this project is just okay.

But hey, to each their own.
I dare you to quote where i said that. smile

Or i can save your some time and tell you imediatly that i didnt ... therefore i dunno where you get that, but it was certainly not in my mouth. wink

Such a thing exists as an 'implied statement'. You didn't say these words specifically, but almost every post you've made over the last week has been passive-aggressively downplaying the issue at hand, and repeatedly besmirching people for rightfully being upset about the lack of communication. And anyone interested only needs to read the first page of this post to see that.

For instance:

"i cant help the feeling that the only acurate reaction would be posting picture of infant with tears in his eyes. :-/"

"Do people really believe that Larian pays someone to check media, and estimate the level of anger within the fan base ... bcs they refuse to tell us anything "until we are angry enough" ? O_o"

"you dont get update for few weeks, when the word "soon™" is promissed and sudently everyone looses their mind about "will it even be released", "is it even still developed". -_-
That is pure overreaction ..."

...just on my post. Not even considering the other post about a similar topic you've spent a considerable amount of time fervently dismissing what are, in my mind at least, valid concerns. I just don't understand your complete lack of empathy toward the topic. If you paid someone to make you a full pizza, they made one slice, and said 'more is coming soon' and then you sat at your table for like 45 minutes without a single update, would you not be slightly agitated? Or would you appreciate an update on where the rest of your pizza is in the process? Surely you can recognize the concern some people are having about the lack of communication...

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Originally Posted by DrDrizzyT
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Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
but since value of this topic cant go lower
It astonishes me how you think that a complete lack of communication from Larian on this project is just okay.

But hey, to each their own.
I dare you to quote where i said that. smile

Or i can save your some time and tell you imediatly that i didnt ... therefore i dunno where you get that, but it was certainly not in my mouth. wink

Such a thing exists as an 'implied statement'. You didn't say these words specifically, but almost every post you've made over the last week has been passive-aggressively downplaying the issue at hand, and repeatedly besmirching people for rightfully being upset about the lack of communication. And anyone interested only needs to read the first page of this post to see that.

For instance:

"i cant help the feeling that the only acurate reaction would be posting picture of infant with tears in his eyes. :-/"

"Do people really believe that Larian pays someone to check media, and estimate the level of anger within the fan base ... bcs they refuse to tell us anything "until we are angry enough" ? O_o"

"you dont get update for few weeks, when the word "soon™" is promissed and sudently everyone looses their mind about "will it even be released", "is it even still developed". -_-
That is pure overreaction ..."

...just on my post. Not even considering the other post about a similar topic you've spent a considerable amount of time fervently dismissing what are, in my mind at least, valid concerns. I just don't understand your complete lack of empathy toward the topic. If you paid someone to make you a full pizza, they made one slice, and said 'more is coming soon' and then you sat at your table for like 45 minutes without a single update, would you not be slightly agitated? Or would you appreciate an update on where the rest of your pizza is in the process? Surely you can recognize the concern some people are having about the lack of communication...

Dude, just ignore him and move on. He entertains himself more than he does others, while making moot points that he thinks are very clever. Its best to ignore and move on.

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I gladly take full responces for what i said ...
But not for how did you understand it. wink

You could ask instead of presuming ... maybe you even should have asked, when i told you that you are presuming wrong ... instead you start to conving me about that you are right, and therefore you know the reasons for my own actions? O_o
Well, all that remains for me is to tell you as it seems. smile

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"value of this topic cant go lower"

"i cant help the feeling that the only acurate reaction would be posting picture of infant with tears in his eyes. :-/"

"Do people really believe that Larian pays someone to check media, and estimate the level of anger within the fan base ... bcs they refuse to tell us anything "until we are angry enough" ? O_o"

"you dont get update for few weeks, when the word "soon™" is promissed and sudently everyone looses their mind about "will it even be released", "is it even still developed". -_-
That is pure overreaction ..."
All abowe, is about the very same thing i keep criticise in this topic the whole time of its existence ...
You people are overreacting ...

- Being concerned? Totaly okey.
- Politely asking for another info? Quite allright. smile (BTW ... i do that all the time on Twitter, if you watch Larian there is totally possible you have seen some of my questions about the promised Community Update. wink )
- Demanding something? Not quite okey, but mangeable ... if that isnt happening too often.
- Spamming all social media with your own demands? Unacceptable (i dont say that you do that ... its just accelerating of attitude and it would not feel complete without this)
- And finaly ... starting conspiracy theories about game not being developed anymore, even tho not even whole month ago we get promissed that another info will be provided "soon" ... well, i presume you can gues how fine such attitude is. laugh

Am i making fun of this topic?
Yes ... totaly ... and i was not even much subtile about it, so i ges it should not surprise you. laugh
But ... you kinda asked for it. :P

Originally Posted by DrDrizzyT
If you paid someone to make you a full pizza, they made one slice, and said 'more is coming soon' and then you sat at your table for like 45 minutes without a single update, would you not be slightly agitated? Or would you appreciate an update on where the rest of your pizza is in the process?
I would have to adjust that example, bcs it dont seem acurate:
If you paid someone to make you a full pizza, and that someone will warn you that this is very special kind of pizza, that will be baked for a unpecified, but certainly looooooooong period of time, but before it will be done ... they offered you to taste one slice, and tells you :"if there is anything that is not good for your taste, let me know and i see what i can doo about it ... then, after some time they bring you another, much smaller slice ... that contains some new ingrediens, and some that tasted badly for you are allready missing ... then, after some time, they said 'information about more, and more importantly about that baking process you asked for is comming soon' and then you sat at your table for like 45 minutes without a single update, would you not be slightly agitated? Or would you appreciate an update on where the rest of your pizza is in the process?

Now when our example is acurate ...
Yes, i would be agitated. smile
But i woul certainly not ambush the kitchen screeming "WHERE THE HELLS IS MY PIZZA! I DEMAND MY PIZZA! IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT YOU NEVER PROMISED ME ANY TIME, OR DATE I DEMANT IT NOW BCS I PAYED FOR SOMETHING, AND NOW I DECIDEED THAT I NO LONGER CARE ABOUT AGREEMEND WE HAD BACK THEN!"
But maybe that is just me. smile

Originally Posted by DrDrizzyT
Surely you can recognize the concern some people are having about the lack of communication...
Concern ... yes. smile
But the rest? Well ... as i said abowe. wink


I liked original spellcasting system more ... frown

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The quick and easy solution: Don't care about what others think. What I mean is, if your entire post is about your opinion on someone else's opinion, it's probably a post not worth posting. This goes for you as well, Ragnarok.

Focus on the topic, not the person. Further inter-personal ramblings of "he said, she said" or any forms of quick "gotcha" snips at others will result in the thread closing. That includes the slightest attempts at having the final word.

Just stop it.

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Tomorrow will make one full month since "We will be back soon with a larger community update", in case anyone is keeping track.

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Maybe we should start evaluating "soon" on geological timescales. A thousand years, give or take a century?

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Why stop at geological timescales? Let's go cosmological! A few billion years, give or take a couple hundred million.

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Coming soon: the heat death of the universe and the full release of BG3. Buy your reservation at Milliways now - it's going to be great show!

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