Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Suggestions & Feedback Some advice for BG3 after finishing Solasta

This is one of the reasons why I did not like D:OS2 system and I never finished the game.
I have the feeling that Larian hates classes. Every char should be able to do everything. In previous games the "class" only gave them different start abilities/stats but everyone could learn anything.

In BG3 the homebrew rules changes are so powerful that they make differences between classes pointless.
For example in 5E only rogues can hide as a bonus action which is powerful for them. In BG3 anyone can do it.
I think that the class is a very importent concept in DnD and different classes should feel different.

Yes Solasta does have homebrew stuff too.
Main reason is the licence, so they could only use one official subclass per class and they had to invent other subclasses.
I had a greenmage who gets light armor profiency, bow profiency, archery combat style and some ranger spells.
You can think that this is too powerful or not, but it is still a mage. Only mages can learn spells from scrolls and they can learn and use only spells that are on their spell list.
For example the only ranger spell I used for her was goodbarries so I do not have to carry rations.
(note to self: have to check if hunters mark works with multi hit spells and doubles the damage of magic missle for example)

So I think BG3 homebrew stuff is bad because it is more powerful than any class features and as result all classes feel the same.
The homebrew stuff in Solasta is less bad because the different classes stay different and each class keeps their class specific stuff.
We could argue if each individual rule change is too strong or too weak, but I believe that different classes should feel different.

Although I enjoyed these somewhat, they are janky a lot of the times. Particularly when aiming ranged attacks.

I don't know, Solasta took plenty of liberties with the rules as well. The daylight spell has been heavily buffed for one. But yeah, it does take less liberties.

That said I can't say that means it is balanced. I still adjust the difficulty setting (thank the devs for those sliders!) to make the encounters more difficult (apart from the very start of the game, the first few encounters are incredibly annoying). And in BG3 you can get through encounters without using jump/barrelmancy etc and without those exploits the game seems fair enough.


Definitely.


Useful, but would be nice if they gave you a list of Feats. Although I might have just missed that
Strong disagree. Getting interrupted by random goblins/skeletons/bandits/etc is so tedious. Most of the time its just a waste of 5-10 minutes. Sure, you get some loot, but apart from that those don't add to the tension or anything.


Definitely, adjusting the difficulty is a great and easy way to balance the game for each player

Hunters mark works only with weapon attacks.

It used to affect magic spells that made attack rolls, back in the super early stages of the EA. Then I discovered a bug where it somehow multiplied the amount of scorching rays based on how many of the base rays hit (as in, 3 scorching rays somehow turned into 12, and upcasting it to level 3 turned 4 rays into 20), it spawned an argument that went for several hours in their discord about whether it working with magic was an intentional design choice for Greenmage, and the devs came in and said it wasn't and fixed it up real good in the following patch.

@Eugerome
about fast travel:
In Solasta I liked fast travel on a dungeon/town map.
You open the map, click on the goal and the character icon moves there fast on the normal path.
Technically you can still call it teleport but it felt more immersive for me.

I do not want the world map travel of Solasta in BG3.
I agree that travelling for minutes with the thread of enemy attacks would not great in BG3.
Solasta (and BG2) had a world map and you often travel for long times from one place to another. Monster attacks are plausible there.
In BG3 each act stays in one region and probably you will not travel between regions often.

I see where you are coming from. Travelling on a map does have its appeal, and it does allow for some extra in-game activities like crafting at the same time, which is pretty cool.

But I dislike that stuff and see it as filler. Does it make the world more believable - probably. Does it impact the game mechanically/story wise - not really. So I didn't like it in Solasta as well.

That said it could be just my problem. I skim read fiction books, so maybe I need to mellow down a bit.

@Madscientis talks about fast travel mechanic in each individual map, not the world map. In Solasta it works pretty much the same as in BG3, except has less far fetched in-universe explenation (aka. they still travel, it's just you don't have to suffer through it) rather then magic teleporting thingies. It also allows triggers stuff on your way, so you won't "teleport" over a new event.

I had an idea and I think I understand now a little bit better what I do not like about BG3.

In BG3 you AC does not feel like a protection against enemy attacks, it feels more like a saving throw for half damage.
I believe that attacks that target your AC should simply miss if the attack roll is too low.
Maybe this is how Larian wants to reduce the numbers of full misses because they think this is boring.
Many physical attacks have an elemental part that hits anyway.
Solasta has goblins with fire arrows and spitting spiders too, but their misses just miss and this feels OK for me.

I still do not like it, but maybe I can understand their philosophy a bit better now.
I think that misses are OK when they make sense.
If you have high AC and you can give enemies disadvantage then they should miss you.
It is OK when you or the enemy can fully protect themselves from an attack if they spend a resource to do so, e.g. shield spell.
Misses are a normal part of gameplay, they are not a problem per se.
Only when inflated stats (on both sides, though usually its a matter of enemy stats) lead to a very high numbers of misses it becomes boring.

Except, if he's 2 rooms over it SHOULD take several turns to get there. The combat shouldn't be frozen in time while you run around with other characters doing whatever you want.

Edit: Or in proper DND terminology "don't split the party"

You may want to roll in this thread https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=760775 on the matter of characters staying out of turn-based mode. And Pandemonica been there, their stance is just all the same - they want their videogamey exploit untouched even if there will be a compromise.

I'm not quite sure what do you mean here. Because AC is working as AC in BG3, it creates misses, it has nothing to do with half damage. Is there any chance that you mistook one roll with another or mistook miss with a hit because currently the game doesn't always translate misses in proper animations?

I’m about 1.5 hours off 300 in BG3 - so I’m a fan.
I purchased solasta at 50% off as I’ve really been looking forward to it …
Lasted about 1-2 hours the first sorak encounter - terrible movement issues characters blocked - camera as bad as BG3’s can be - turned it off and haven’t gone back.
To say that solasta is a better game is just silly - it’s implementation of a couple of mechanics which could be implemented in bg3 I agree with but it’s also not a major if they don’t.
BG3 is head and shoulders on another level and if it doesn’t take anything from solasta I wouldn’t personally care. I still believe bg3 is a ways off full release so I am interested to see the next patch in 2022…

Calling someone's opinion silly just because it doesn't agree with yours is silly. See how that works? BG3 is higher budget with better graphics and (IMO) a more engaging story. Beyond that though, Solasta is superior, hands down.

Movement issues? At least you don't get boxed in by your own companions and have to walk your full movement in a circle just to get around them.

Camera issues? Totally agree. Both games blow in the camera control department.

A couple mechanics? Solasta far and above implements 5e mechanics both more faithfully and simply better from a user experience perspective. It isn't just a couple mechanics... its virtually the entire system that Larian claims they're being as faithful as possible to.

Don't even get me started on the vastly different loot systems. Solasta doesn't bog down gameplay with the majority of the time being looting tiny items and empty containers.

I have had to spend turns in Solasta because of other characters blocking the way (which was my own fault for not considering the positioning before-hand), so it seems like just a common thing between both games.

This is probably where the Ultima 7 influence of D:OS is bleeding into BG3. I don't really care one way or another, since I agree that it does slow down gameplay, but I think it does also make the world feel more interesting and reactive.