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Also, es gab in Europa die Bestrebung, mal Esperanto einzufuehren. Eine ganz willkuerliche Sprache wird keine nationalen Ressentiments erwecken.
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Le bon Jour tout! remercie Barta. Morbo? J'ai honte, de, eh, nevermind, vous alors. Hmm, je mets 't sait ce que pour dire, euh.

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Jvb, how come you judge the German school system?

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maar datzelfde geld voor frankrijk en duitsland; ze zouden een voorbeeld moeten nemen aan belgie en nederland, die op school engels, duits EN frans leren. => but it should be the same for France and Germany. They should take Belgium and the Netherlands as a shining example, who have Engl., German and French at school => translation correct? Used no translator.


We HAVE other languages at school. I myself had English, French and took up Latin later (was fascinated, cause it's the mother language of all Romanic languages) - we even have Spanish!
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Ek praat nie Nederlands nie, maar ek verstaan en bitje Afrikaans - y hablo espanol, hombre, es tu?

I like the variety of many languages - but I for myself prefer English to communicate. Why can't they all exist on the same level with equal rights?

And Barta, I myself had the XP in France that I was forced to speak in French (does Waterloo still play a role? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> )

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Latin seems cool, I'm thinking of learning it.



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Hi Kiya

Congratulation for the translation. I had to use a translator, it was horrible !
You never told me that you can speak in french.
I don't speak as many languages as you. At school i just learned english and spanish. And my spanish is worse than my english <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />

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I like the variety of many languages - but I for myself prefer English to communicate. Why can't they all exist on the same level with equal rights?

I agree with you.
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif" alt="" /> In the french forum i answer to some help question and sometimes i use your beautiful maps, giving your name of course.
You don't allow me to do it and i want to ask you if i can continue or not.

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kemungkinan besar anda tidak akan dapat faham kerana ayat ini adalah dalam bahasa melayu.

selain saya, seorang lagi ahli forum ini yang juga dari malaysia dapat baca dan memahami apa yang saya tulis.

kalaulah saya dapat menulis dalam bahasa cina. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />



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In the french forum i answer to some help question and sometimes i use your beautiful maps, giving your name of course.
You don't allow me to do it and i want to ask you if i can continue or not.



Please, Barta, carry on <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> - those maps wouldn't be of any use if not used, hm? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />
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kiya, you're not mad at me or anything now are you?
I know you can learn more languages in both france and germany, but they are voluntarily, even english afaik..

Like my dad, on his work, he got recently visited by 15 people from germany, which are in the same line of work.
And my father prepared a speech for them..

Only 1 of the 15 germans, was able to understand it, because he was the only 1 who spoke english..

Thats rather strange don't you think..

I dont judge the school system, its just that I would prefer it in another way..


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Maybe they forgot what they learned at school, Jvb? Without regular practise every language is forgotten. And I need to know the education lvl of these people and their age to know. All schools teach English (we have a 3-way-system) - but at high school you can choose after a while to go the science/maths way.

Where they from former East Germany? Then it's historical, their language was Russian until the Reunion 1989.

And here I agree with you, it has become voluntary under certain circumstances from class 10-13, but from class 6-9 it's not voluntary. And a project done in some kindergartens and basic schools tend to teach English even earlier. This is something I support strongly. The younger a person is => multi-lingualism is easier.

So, I think you and I need more facts and details now, hm?
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Take me: I learned Spanish (1 1/2-6 yrs old) as a kid in Uruguay and spoke it fluently. Forgot it, but it's still slumbering in my brain. I tried to find access to that part by private lessons = no success, the adult way of learning does not trigger this brain part. A Spanish friend told me my pronounciation was very good and native, she wanted to teach me the intuitive way - but then she died suddenly <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" /> - due to my chats with Shyon, who gave me Portuguese words, suddenly words come back now. I understand a lot and even use Spanish words in my everyday language without knowing. I guess a stay in Spain for about 3-6 months would trigger.

Last update:

From this year on elementary schools in Germany/North-Rhine Westphalia teach English from the 3rd class on - not voluntary but per law. Prob is this: Education is decided by the states we have. Our school system is not on federal level, so every state can decide on its own.

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using System;
namespace Print
{
class Class1
{
[STAThread]
static void Main(string<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" /> args)
{
try
{
new Class1().Run();
}
catch (System.Exception e)
{
Console.WriteLine(e.StackTrace);
}
}
public void Run()
{
Console.WriteLine("This is also a language <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> ");
}
}
}

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Pou eisse Lucretia?, de thelo na eime mono me hellinika.

...No this definitely doesn´t work: writing greek without greek letters is not possible. I´m not sure if this is understandable at all... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />




Nope! It works! It works fine!!! I understood perfectly!


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Euxaristó Lucretia!

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Ah, ca marche.
Barta: Je ne pense pas, que c'est brusque pour les, qui ne comprends pas. Je pense que c'est amusant. Pour example, je n'ai pas compris que jvb a dit, mais je peus reconstruer ce qu'il a dit par les responses de kiya.
jvb: Je ne sais pas avec qui ton père a parler, mais normalement en allemagne il n'ya personne qui n'a pas l'anglais en école. Moi, pour example, j'ai u l'anglais, le latin, et le francais. En Baden-Württemberg les etudiants nuveau commencent avec l'anglais en age du 6 (ou avec le francais, s'ils sont pres de la rhine).

Excusez mon francais, s.v.p. j'ai oublié presqu'a tout. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />


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well, its just that i stopped with some, but 2 years ago, i still had german, french, english, dutch greek and latin.
6 laguages, thats quite a lot..


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In a school here in town (Leverkusen) pupils can also learn the russian language.

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