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Rincewind #151415 24/01/04 06:35 PM
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television viewing is down among some Internet users by as much as five hours per week compared with Net abstainers, the study added.


Wtf? Why are people surprised by this? This should be common sense, not a newsflash. I mean, if the person is in front of their computer monitor they aren't in front of their TV monitor, in most cases.

When they did the study, they should have counted hours in front of the computer the same as spending time in front of a TV. It is the same after all. You're just sitting there vegging while staring at a monitor. There is no difference.

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So... our beloved mr Gates became somewhat rich by just "vegging"? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />


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Mr Gates did not get his money by sitting in front of a computer posting on forums and chatting in chatrooms and playing online games.

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Well, actually Microsoft bought up "QDOS", developed by someome else, and sold it to IBM, for their new PC.

There is a rumor about a failed meeting with IBM ambassaddors <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> and the head of another company which made the OS CP/M (sorry, but I've forgot the name. It was something with "digital"). Thus Microsoft got their brand-new bought OS into the PC, and not the other company.

Besides that, I've once seen a quotation that was said to be from Bill Gates' own biography, saying that he was fishing bad ideas out of peoples dustbins for considering (and maybe later use). <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />



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Yeah but Mickey, you said "they should have counted hours in front of the computer the same as spending time in front of a TV." People who write software and the like, do that all day. Even surfing on the Internet is part of that, for support and example code, for example. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> As for forums and chats - even those can be part of the work. There's plenty computer language forums out there, and although some go there for fun, others occasionally visit them for a living - so to speak. Or you could just have a chat while you're working.
My point is - sitting in front of the television, you can only watch. But sitting before a computer screen, even when surfing the Net, you can be doing more than watching. You can make things, you can actually do something.
So no, I don't think it's the same <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />


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Fine, let me rephrase this so my words can't be nitpicked. :P

Hours spent in front of the computer goofing off should be counted the same as watching TV.

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Except that a TV to write and therfore communicate with others. TV is one-way, whereas Computer is normally two-way , I believe.

Another thing is the flow of information : Other than changing the TV programme you don't have much of a choice. The ability abd possibility to choose is imho much greater with the Internet.

Wothout ... well, that's not so good.


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TV is totally different than Computer..
what interaction do you have with TV.?
How many "channels" does the internet have? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
Comp is one of the ultimate learning tools of these times...

oh yes its a great time waster but also it can be a great producer for you as well...lets see TV do that! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

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Hours spent in front of the computer goofing off should be counted the same as watching TV.


Yeah, I could agree with that <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


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TV is totally different than Computer..
what interaction do you have with TV.?
How many "channels" does the internet have? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
Comp is one of the ultimate learning tools of these times...

oh yes its a great time waster but also it can be a great producer for you as well...lets see TV do that! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


Doh!! and what about teaching 12 years ago I didn't know nothing about Computers, closed thing was my super hetrodyne calculater (used 3 aa Batteries) and my Sega, then I bought an IBM 486 sx and I learned about DOS and Windows, I learned about websites internet connections, how to make a letter/document, about fonts, even how to manipulate images.

The only thing I learned from TV is how to use the "Mute" button in regards to Commercials <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Except that a TV to write and therfore communicate with others. TV is one-way, whereas Computer is normally two-way , I believe.

Another thing is the flow of information : Other than changing the TV programme you don't have much of a choice. The ability abd possibility to choose is imho much greater with the Internet.

Wothout ... well, that's not so good.


Yeah, guess what? You're still goofing off, and your still sitting on your butt staring at a monitor. :P

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TV is totally different than Computer..
what interaction do you have with TV.?
How many "channels" does the internet have? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
Comp is one of the ultimate learning tools of these times...

oh yes its a great time waster but also it can be a great producer for you as well...lets see TV do that! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


Yeah, guess what? You're still goofing off, and your still sitting on your butt staring at a monitor. :P

You can use TV to learn and educate yourself. there's plenty of channels for that. I've seen a few myself.

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ok......i'll do that! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


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Hello everyone,

I haven't posted a long time on this website but I'd like to give my answer to these questions.

Kiya states:
"As the older members already know, I'm a newbie in this internet world - and I have wondered very often, why the sentence "get a life" is used so often in this virtual world and very seldom meant in a friendly way.

1.Well, what is this "life I/you/others should get"?
2.What does it involve?
3.What does it exclude?
4.What is your personal definition of a "life to get"?
5.Why is a "life" (spending time on the internet) not a "life" - and if it is not a "life", what is it then?

Please, try to stick to the questions I posted - I really want to understand. Refrain from spamming if you can - I've tried very often to understand the meaning - up to now: in vain.
Kiya"

This phrase is often used when someone is spending too much time on one task to the exclusion of almost everything else. It is also used when someone is doing the same things every day. To get a life is to constantly open yourself to what is new. Basically, if you're doing the same things over and over again, you are not living but dying because death is stagnation where nothing is changing. In reality, it is hard to sustain this for a long time because the natural state of things is change. There is off course those who are living but who feel drained both physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. They are alive but there is no life in their lives. Living 'becomes automatic, a dead process.'...Locked by conditioning. There's no freshness, vitality, and more importantly. awareness. It's almost as if you're sleepwalking through life dragging yourself from one day to the other. I know it because I've experienced it before. I'd like to quote from Instant Analysis by Joe Lieberman, "The more automated your life is-the wider the gap between reality and your perception of reality, moving you farther into your own little world. Most serious mental illness can find their root in this gap." So to get a life may also mean to look at the truth of what's happening...to wake up and smell the coffee so to speak. A person who has no life is run by conditioning. They may also have some habits that are hard to break such as being online too much, watching too much tv, spending too much time inside, etc...Of course, if you're someone who is like Leonardo Da Vinci who I think spent most of his day painting, then you have a life?!? A person who has passion for what he/she is doing will bypass sleep sometimes to do it but hey...he/she loves it and would do it even if they didn't receive any monetary compensation. It's their passion. It's their life. May they rise up and live it. Find your passion...eh?

Thank you.
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damn...
i finally decide to stop in and say hello and kiy is gone! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />
hope everyone else is doing well. i miss the discussions! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

for those that might question why i left, it may very well have been along the same lines as the 'get a life' comments...
i found trying to defend my personal humanity and my country's actions far more fatiguing than rewarding.
it's never good to have the self-righteous attitude of a teenager, and even less appealing when deliberately used to slam people - this especially when your 'facts' or 'ideals' or 'morals' are subjective (at best) and, more likely faulty in their premise.

who knows, perhaps bringing to front these issues is a positive and enlightening thing. discussions and even arguments are an inherently good, intriguing, enriching experience. slams are a waste of time, energy, character and grace.
hopefully we learn.....
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I am sorry I have missed this discussion.

As for TV and computers, common between both is that both belong to entertaining industry. Sure thy can use it rather for entertaining or educating purposes. As you can watch CNN, discovery, animal planet on TV you can do the same on net. Net has more options, it has much greater capacity.

Sure, both sources have a lot of junk.
As it was sayd in "the Wall" about TV - "I have got 64 channels of s**t to choose from."

So, it is up to us how to use these sources.

As for Kiya. I am sorry, she left. I think there is more good things happening in our small community than bad things like offence or spam. But, this is her decision, there is nothing to do with it. Maybe she will think over this and return. Or at least hope to meet again with arrival of Beyond Divinity.


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