Larian Studios Forums General Chat RPG Chat So Might and Magic is the official best game ever.

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> I like build-'em-ups.

i cant believe you didnt have much respect for the M&M series, there absolutes classics. Also M&M 9 isnt that bad, did you complete it? And its good to hear that someone elses first rpg was might and magic 6, mine was too, also it was pretty much my first game period. anyway i have the same thing as you have with dungeon keeper with M&M 6. never played ultima or wizadry maybe i'll give em a raz...........

good for you.

Ask General Alix, she's a fan of the M&M series. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

what in divinity? how does that work? what does she say?

no, a member of the German forum, Alix. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

oh, ok.

Stating the M&M series to be the best RPG is a pure exaggeration on your behalf IMO, Thor.

I played 2-9 and liked them, except 9. This was the first one I had to give up shortly before the end, because bugs and crashes, freezes made it impossible for me to continue the German version. 3DO only had a key control patch and stated, they would only support Heroes of MM - a few weeks later they went bankrupt.

MM has no strong interaction with the world
no complicated/interesting story line - it's just kill, loot and level up
no headbreaking riddles, no innovation
and it's always the same procedure => magic/fantasy first then SF afterwards - due to little changes I feel familiar at once and don't need to test around a lot before starting to play. Still fun? Yes - for me.

I can't even say what the best for me is in a subjective opinion, played too many RPG - maybe the one I play at the moment and keep hooked on playing - this changes naturally and is surely in the interest of Devs/publishers who want to sell <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> .

Does my preference add weight to the game's quality? Nope.
Does my liking/disliking qualify/disqualify me as a gamer? Nope.
Does approval/dislike of another gamer/review/award take away the fun I have with a game? Nope, I allow myself to make up my mind on my own.
And what about all those self-proclaimed "popes" claiming to know what the best game is, I really dare not to care for their judgement? Yep, I leave them to build their games-award altars, keeps them busy.
Oh, yeah - and what about "high standards"? <shrug> I have my own fun-standard <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" /> .

On a more serious note to all:
I've asked myself very often why a game even needs the judgement of being the best <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> ... if I like/dislike something => [color:"yellow"]says nothing about quality only something about my preferences[/color]. And I don't need approval due to awards, a "best of" medal or whatsoever. I wish, others would see this the way I do <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> - would take out the heat in hot "religious" discussions about good/bad games <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> - as if the quality/non-quality/liking/disliking of a game would add to/take away personality quality.... Well, maybe it does... in an insecure one - one who needs outer support/approval/awards to cover up inner deficits maybe?

I thought a long time Ultima VII was [color:"yellow"]my all-time best[/color] - but I know why: the first love is the strongest <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> . It was my very first RPG on PC (I've been a pen&paper RPG player) - therefore my dedication. So, is U7 really [color:"yellow"]the[/color] best? Nope, just [color:"yellow"]mine[/color] - therefore my delight with <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> , was like coming home again and reviving my old first love..
And if someone doesn't share my delight? No prob, roll in with your favourite, maybe I haven't played it and feel curiosity.
Kiya

PS: I think this credo shows clearly why I normally keep out of these futile "the best of..." threads, I'm an anarchic atheist with a Machiavellistic streak, even in games <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

i never said that was the actual best game ever, just mine. and you may like ultima 7 or whatever, and someone else might like divinity the most and that would be there favourite game. also you said something about there being no need for a best game to be discovered which is a good point but there is also a need for a personal best game on opinion as this allows disscussions between fans of different games and this is a far more interesting way of seeing gaming. having favourites and opinions is a necessity or otherwise there nothing to talk about because everyone would see all games as equal.

Uhm, duh!

But saying that your favourite game is the "official best game ever" is something very different.

Sorry, you didn't read my sentence carefully enough => I said, [color:"yellow"]there is no need for judgement...[/color]- there's a difference: If I say I like game XY most because of my AB preferences => ok. Then it's no judgement but merely my subjective opinion - equal value/equal weight to those who prefer game CD for the same or other preferences. And the far most interesting way for me to see gaming is this => playing it and having fun. And maybe (if interest is there) to claim WHY this game is fun for me. Translation of a German phrase => What an owl is for one is a nightingale for the other.


Postulating game XY as nonplus ultra for all times and all gamers ("the official best yadderyadder...") IS no opinion. It's a killer phrase in communication psychology. These phrases are commonly used to silence people, close their ears or cause arguments, turning into the boring power/authority game of who's right/wrong. Same goes for rhetorical questions that neither require nor ask for a real answer but are only used to stress one's own statement.



Only if it's meant AND expressed as a subjective opinion thus leaving room for differing ones, not as a postulate, expressed in absolute manner, turning into a pro/con crusade (Ouff, religion again).

And FYI => I see games as equal <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> Each game providing me with fun, wanting me to spend time on it is as equal as the next game I want to play and enjoy. Au contraire, if I would believe game XY is the absolute best one for all times, aeons and centuries - I doubt I could ever play another one then. I'd not be able to see each game as unique and discover gaming anew. I would deprive myself of flexibility and curiosity to discover the next fantasy world... I'd probably start to compare this game to others, fret, mourn about the difference and lose my openness. Not fair towards the new game IMO. What's the point in a ranking hierarchy for games?

In case you wonder => yes, I DO recommend games to members of my library - but not due to my preferences but due to their preferences. And I ask for sincere feedback, so I know if I judged the person's preference correctly - specially then when they prefer a genre I'm not interested in as a gamer personally. You'd be surprised how many gamers dislike RPG (and still see the light of day happily <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> )
Kiya

PS: This whole post is my personal opinion, free to take, agree/disagree <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> - with one exception => killer phrase/postulate/absolutism/generalisation/rhetorical question, that's communication psychology.

That's the fun thing with written language: very easy to misinterperet. Until you said that you had me convinced otherwise... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Ditto. Written language is very easy to twist and there are many ways to interpret it -- even different punctuation can change a sentence's meaning, let alone a whole word. Observe:

A woman, without her man, is nothing.
A woman -- without her, man is nothing.
A woman without her, man, is nothing.

(And now you see, kids, punctuation is important. Off-topic, but bad punctuation irritates me to no end, and now you see why.)

Observe:

Might and Magic is the official best game ever!
Might and Magic is the best game ever!
Might and Magic, in my opinion, is the best game ever.
Might and Magic is my favourite game ever.

I liked MM6 quite a bit, except the end,... one spends 90% of the game building characters based on sword and sorcery (might and magic if you prefer) then in the last 10% of the game all that goes down the drain in favour of damned blasters. Worse, pause and tactics go down the drain too, as it becomes a real-time FPS.

That was the only annoying thing I found in MM6, but they repeated the same formula again in MM7 and again again in MM8 I really started hating the series before even playing (or rather trying to play) MM9.

So IMO, MM6 was a good game but the series as a whole was below par.

Bravo Kiya!

Kiya Veni vidi vici.

as if they reproduce the blaster ting inn 7 and 8. i have 7 but have not got that far but you may be pleased to hear that 9 does not include and laser guns. Maybe the reason they included them is that the development team were trekies.

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also you said something about there being no need for a best game to be discovered which is a good point but there is also a need for a personal best game on opinion as this allows disscussions between fans of different games and this is a far more interesting way of seeing gaming.


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Sorry, you didn't read my sentence carefully enough => I said, there is no need for judgement...- there's a difference: If I say I like game XY most because of my AB preferences => ok. Then it's no judgement but merely my subjective opinion - equal value/equal weight to those who prefer game CD for the same or other preferences. And the far most interesting way for me to see gaming is this => playing it and having fun. And maybe (if interest is there) to claim WHY this game is fun for me. Translation of a German phrase => What an owl is for one is a nightingale for the other.


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So Might and Magic is the official best game ever. Anyone think a game is better? No didnt think so.


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Postulating game XY as nonplus ultra for all times and all gamers ("the official best yadderyadder...") IS no opinion. It's a killer phrase in communication psychology. These phrases are commonly used to silence people, close their ears or cause arguments, turning into the boring power/authority game of who's right/wrong. Same goes for rhetorical questions that neither require nor ask for a real answer but are only used to stress one's own statement.



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...having favourites and opinions is a necessity or otherwise there nothing to talk about because everyone would see all games as equal


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Only if it's meant AND expressed as a subjective opinion thus leaving room for differing ones, not as a postulate, expressed in absolute manner, turning into a pro/con crusade (Ouff, religion again).

And FYI => I see games as equal Each game providing me with fun, wanting me to spend time on it is as equal as the next game I want to play and enjoy. Au contraire, if I would believe game XY is the absolute best one for all times, aeons and centuries - I doubt I could ever play another one then. I'd not be able to see each game as unique and discover gaming anew. I would deprive myself of flexibility and curiosity to discover the next fantasy world... I'd probably start to compare this game to others, fret, mourn about the difference and lose my openness. Not fair towards the new game IMO. What's the point in a ranking hierarchy for games?

In case you wonder => yes, I DO recommend games to members of my library - but not due to my preferences but due to their preferences. And I ask for sincere feedback, so I know if I judged the person's preference correctly - specially then when they prefer a genre I'm not interested in as a gamer personally. You'd be surprised how many gamers dislike RPG (and still see the light of day happily )
Kiya

PS: This whole post is my personal opinion, free to take, agree/disagree - with one exception => killer phrase/postulate/absolutism/generalisation/rhetorical question, that's communication psychology.

talk is cheap! get to the point....

Get to the point, Thor?
Easy => If your intention is to discuss favourite games in a pares inter pares atmosphere - then I advise refraining from killer phrases implying generalism, absolutism, arrogance, inflexibility.

If your intention is to force your opinion unto others => then keep the way you phrase, but state this intention clearly then, maybe in this manner:
"I, Thor the Allmighty- Lord of War, thunder and lightning - state this... (put in what you think) as a postulate for once and for all - carved in stone, the one and true statement. Any one disagrees? No, I don't think so - good, no need to throw my hammer then."

Short enough? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
Kiya

And my personal point about games is this => There is no official best game ever, period - only personal preferences.

If that's not argumentative/confrontational, then I don't know what is.

Wasn't Thor the stupidest god in the norse mythology?
I personaly pity Loki: the poor guy had to live with a bunch of cretins like Odin and Thor...