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If you want to spend your precious time suing the the game companies because you feel you have been wronged then that is your perogative ( hope I spelled that right). I have all of the games on your list and I must say that I have enjoyed playing all of them.I think if I got as upset as you seem to be about human error in computer games I think I would quit buying them. You know from my expreience with buying computer games the advertizement on the packaging very
seldom resembles the actuality of the game itself. Most of the time the promotors overstate what the game is actually like itself with alot of hype.
Since I know this,I usually will get a demo of the game first or I will do a little research about a game before I purchase it.If I were a judge I would recommend these safegaurds. The technology that goes into designing and developing computer games still amazes me and I feel no anxiety about buying a game and then finding out that it is not perfect. I never install a game without going to GameSpy or the games websight to check if the game has an update or patch. IMHO it is just the way it is in the gaming computer world. Maybe you might be better off playing console games I don't know my friend its just a thought. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Yaaj man you're scary. I have to admire someone who would sue a publisher over a computer game. Several, in fact.
Good old American justice. Whiners rule. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" />
(I'm still sitting here shaking my head in disbelief.)


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now everybody calm down a bit, pleeeease!

he is not that wrong you think he is! for all those german people not understanding the cause of his wanting to sue: the skills are part of a werbevesprechen ( transl. advertizement promise )the company makes. and no, he is perfectly right to get what he was promised. never mind if the cause for sueing is only soooo small...and thats what makes tempers rise i think ;-)

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Indeed, but how many of us here would actually DO it? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />


" Road rage, air rage. Why should I be forced to divide my rage into seperate categories? To me, it's just one big, all-around, everyday rage. I don't have time for distinctions. I'm too busy screaming at people. " -George Carlin
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probably only one! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />

I forgot to say that was a most entertaining, tasty piece of thread!
Some good laughs,
a few suprises <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />
and some out and out bashing.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />
overall it's a good read,... I recommend it! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" />

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Me too! I believe its pretty much over now though. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />


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Hi everybody!

I recently bought this game and are about to start playing.
I've dl the lastest patch but after reading this post i've understand that there are skills that won't work!! (OMG)

The question is, which skills arent working??
Some archer skill and necromancer skills??

I'd really appreciate some quick anwsers cause i want to begin now!!


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I can't remember exactly. Been a long time since I played. Bow skill doesn't improve damage or something? Ranger sight is a bit useless. Dont' kill the final bad guy with steel scorpions also or the game will hang.
Nothing major, just few things to watch for.
The rest of the game is very enjoyable! Don't be put off! Don't sue anyone either 'cos that's lame! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


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Me too! I believe its pretty much over now though. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />


Yep. CDV gave me a refund.

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[color:"orange"]The question is, which skills arent working??[/color]

True Shot and the damage portion of Crossbow Expertise are broke.

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Hi everybody!

I recently bought this game and are about to start playing.
I've dl the lastest patch but after reading this post i've understand that there are skills that won't work!! (OMG)

The question is, which skills arent working??
Some archer skill and necromancer skills??

I'd really appreciate some quick anwsers cause i want to begin now!!


Doing a quick search on these boards will lead you to a thread that has a list of all the broken/bugged skills in the game. Since you were too lazy to do a search for yourself I'll go ahead and post the "offical" broken skill list then list the few skills that were too buggy for me to use.

Broken skills for the Bow:
Augment Damage
True shot

Broken skills for the Crossbow:
Augment Damage
Crossbow Expert

Skills for me that didn't work with version 1.34 or too buggy to to use:
Aura of Command - Crahses the game the second it's used
Repair - Crashes the game the second it's used
Sword Expert with male warrior - Reloading will give you a free skill level
Augment Damage with male warrior - Reloading will give you a free skill level
Resurrect - This skill was way buggy for me, too many bugs to list

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Augment Damage is not broke, it only applies to melee attacks.

Any character can get a bonus level of Sword Expertise and Augment Damage, but non male warriors need to put the first skill point in themselves, since their starting skills are different.

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The bug with the repair skill is very annoying, but it only happens about 30% of the time on my system. So I tend to save the game every time I want to repair something. This is one of several annoyances with this game, but overall it's so much fun that I wouldn't dream of giving my copy back (and yes, most europeans have the same or more rights that you americans have, and there usually isn't a need to sue anyone (unless they're a very dubious company) to get your money back if something doesn't work as advertised).

I just hope Beyond Divinity has less serious bugs (the repair bug is very serious, and it's very strange it hasn't been fixed by a patch).

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Some people who have run into a problem with Repair have found it more reliable to repair with items in their inventory or on the ground, rather than equipped.

I had this problem trying to batch repair a bunch of stuff to sell, but reverting to a save a couple minutes earlier pretty much cleared it up. I had another couple crashes (didn't bother unequipping stuff), but had started saving first as a precaution.

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Hi Yaaj,

The skills you mentioned:

Aura of Command
Repair
Sword Expert
Augment Damage
Resurrect

-are skills I use quite extensively throughout the game and to date cannot fault them. I do admit that the game is buggy (scripting and a few suspect crashes) but on the whole the game has been stable and compelling enough for me to persevere. Thankfully I bought the game after patch 1.34 was released so I can't begin to imagine what like was life before :P

As with any PC game in development, it's pretty difficult for the developer to cater for all the combinations of system configurations out there given the broad standards that are in place. I sympathise especially for PC developers (especially debut ones at that) in that regard and it's no surprise that there are stories of developers flocking to the next generation consoles.

Anyway, Yaaj, it's good to see people like you keeping the publishers on their toes. Ultima 9, Temple of Elemental Magic, Myth Drannor were disasters and were released knowingly to the public and that is unexceptable. I don't think CDV and my good mates at Larian Studios are in that category though :P

I am not really enthused about the ethos of releasing a piece of software now and patching it up later. I'd rather see a company released a final, stringently tested, stable working build even if it means delaying the game for a few months.

There's so many unknown facets to this, it's really hard to get a clear picture.

Meh, I'm just thinking out loud.

edit: spelling




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I don't think CDV and my good mates at Larian Studios are in that category though :P

Hi LordPanda! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I agree with all of that except the bit about CDV. They are very much in the culprit category. Check out The C-word publisher.

Sword Expertise and Augment Damage are bugged, but in a good way! You receive a bonus second level of each after you learn the first level, then save and reload.

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Hi there!

Oh yes, Breed (this game had promise!)...I forgot about that game.

Well I stand corrected partly! The lads at Larian are still swell though!


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As with any PC game in development, it's pretty difficult for the developer to cater for all the combinations of system configurations out there given the broad standards that are in place.


Yes I realize that, but those bugs aren't system related. They're code related, and yes there is a difference. I tried playing the game on my three different desktops and my laptop and I ran into those same bugs on each system.

Oh well I got my money back and used it to pre-order Beyond Divinity so I'm getting a free copy of Divine with it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> And if Larian ever releases another patch (either offical or unoffical), or a fan does the work for them, I'll reinstall the game and give it a play through. The sad thing is I really did enjoyed Divine, from what little I got to play of it any ways. That's why I waited so long before I tried to get a refund. All I can hope now is that Beyond won't suffer from the same bugs as Divine did. Judging from how polished Beyond's demo is I doubt it will.

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As I have said; it doesn't not matter if it's one skill, or in this games case, six skills. And, no I won't have to goto Europe if I have to sue CDV for a refund since CDV is the USA puiblishers.
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oh yeah, well, theyre going out of bussness fasrt, preobably cantspeakr your money.


6> actually it is 2. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

and is that SUCH a big deal you will sue?


sometimes I want to swim accross the pacific, atlantic, and sea of indian ocenas just to get to a civilized place were my classmates and fellow countrymen aren't a bunch of jackass idiots. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> for our portfolioes in art 1 kid said on his "WAR ON IRAQ" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/down.gif" alt="" />
and others say earthday is just for a bunch of loses to say 'save the earth'
good idea! lets sue everyone, and trash the earth, maybe THEN we'll have a nice world, huh? oh, just lets make sure, ATTACK! hmm, lets not good worried. "the fights over people, its all good" BAM BAM BAM "ok we were wrong, but its not so big" BOOM! "ok, more troops needed!" lets wreck society just a 'tad' bit more, eh?


BLOODDY FRIGGEN HELL YOU SUCK AMERICA!

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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />but what I also don't like is people saying ALL Americans are bad, just as examples look at Mslynx and look at me, and MOST of the other Americans! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />



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Yaaj, you scored a pretty sweet deal there <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

In essence you got a free copy of Beyond Divinity. Chances are this game will be buggy as well so if you do the same thing again, you might get a free copy of Divine Divinity 2 and so on and so forth. Yaaj, you've got it made <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Maybe you should consider a career in 'Law' Yaaj, with people like you dodgey or buggy games will be a thing of the past.


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