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Some people say not to compare the two games...but how can you not compare them? Set in same universe, play the same way, and look the same in a lot of places...but DD was the game that brought me to this forum and kept me here for months because
a)I loved the game and played it to the finish (which is a rare thing for me to do)
b)The people here on the forum are sound!

If I had never played or heard of DD, and started out with BD, I think I would have enjoyed BD more. I am enjoying it, but just not on the level I did with DD. I try not to compare, and people would say you shouldn't...but it's there in the back of my mind all the time!

It's not because it's more of the same, it's because it's NOT more of the same...the huge open map of rivellon that was a joy to explore is the feature I miss the most from BD.

Because of the split acts in BD it feels like I'm playing 4 smaller games of DD that just don't have the involvement DD had...you got to know the different areas, and villages and NPCs but in BD you blink, and they're gone, you're on the next act.

I got to act 3 in less that 15 hours because without fully realising it, I was doing the main quests to advance the story before I did the side quests. Especially difficult to be aware of this in act 2 where the 'main' quest doesn't have any hint in it that it's leading you to act 3!

I'm enjoying the game for what it is, and it is fun.

I wholeheartly recommend that for anyone who hadn't played either game, and got DD with BD, play BD first, then DD. DD is so good it should have been the sequel!

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I agee with plowking (but I like mr plow a whole lot better <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />). I would die a happy man if <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" />² would have the best things of both games.

gameworld of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" />
skills & party of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beyond.gif" alt="" />
crysal bag of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beyond.gif" alt="" />
freedom of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" />
sidequests of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" />
story of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beyond.gif" alt="" />
dolls of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beyond.gif" alt="" />
reputation system of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> (reputation di't influence my game I think in <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beyond.gif" alt="" />)
detail of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> (like when stealing the guards would come)
pickpocet,sharpen skill and hammer skill of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beyond.gif" alt="" />
ending of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beyond.gif" alt="" /> (well the ending of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> sucked )
personal traits of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" />
loading tips of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> ( <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beyond.gif" alt="" /> loading tips weren't all that funny exept for the sleeping in game as well.)


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I'll just chime in here. Good comments plowking. Is the comic strip over BTW?

I think <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beyond.gif" alt="" /> had a LOT of expectations to live up to. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> was a gem. An absolutely charming and addictive game and it would've taken a lot to beat it.

Nothing wrong with the alterations made to the system in <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beyond.gif" alt="" />.It just seems a lot less people liked it. Maybe the Larians could think about this when making <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" />2.

Can't live in the past though. There will always be people who object to change.

Personally, I like both. I thought I didn't last night after dying to yet another trap <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> but I breathed deep, calmed down and started the game again and went back from another save. Something dragged me back to it. Call it the <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> factor maybe.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


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Is the comic strip over BTW?


The comic strip should return soon, hopefully! It's hard find the time between work, girl friend, going out, and playing games when I should be writing the next strip!!!


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I thought I didn't last night after dying to yet another trap <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> but I breathed deep, calmed down and started the game again and went back from another save.


This happened to me the other night, after clearing off a huge chunk of map I was thinking I'll save it after I open this.......... bang - dead!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />

I closed it down in sheer frustration!!! But...guess I'll go way back to my save....

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Well personally I consider <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beyond.gif" alt="" /> an experiment. So eventually the best of both worlds will come one in <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" />²

So shall it be written and so shal it be <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


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well the ending of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> sucked


To be fair, the Larians have already said they pretty much ran out of time after the gong strike. The wastelands and everything that followed was hastily put together to give the game an ending.

I'm sure the actual ending the Larians had in mind would've been much better. But we'll never know.

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I got to act 3 in less that 15 hours because without fully realising it, I was doing the main quests to advance the story before I did the side quests. Especially difficult to be aware of this in act 2 where the 'main' quest doesn't have any hint in it that it's leading you to act 3!


Why that's just not true. The chieftain's son already said he'd help you "leave this place" if you helped him find the alchemist who could cure the sick imps. That seems like a hint to me.


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Why that's just not true. The chieftain's son already said he'd help you "leave this place" if you helped him find the alchemist who could cure the sick imps. That seems like a hint to me.


Did he say that...I wasn't listening, what with the tibars attacking me!

At the risk of people replying about how 'linier' it'd be, I'd prefer if you had to go into the other areas like the spider and mushroom forests for some reason before you can find the alchemist and leave the act.

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I guess I'll throw in my nickel as well.

There are mainly two areas that I felt BD lost big points to DD, and a few small ones.

1- The battlefields, so boring, they could have been a 100ed times better, but most of them just require running down to dungeon level 3 to complete almost every quest (I gave some suggestions in another topic of what I would have liked to see in them).

2- end game <span class='standouttext'>Spoiler : </span><span class='spoiler'> only 4 acts?! arg, I was very, very disappointed, I wanted at least one more act in revelon (sp?), they could have easley made Sammy the final boss after entering the rift, and made the death knight/Daemion run away leaving the hero to deal with Sammy alone, leaving room for one last act, this act would have been a refreshing change of pace after that long--- trek through Nemesis, would have made the game longer, and probably give a more complete feeling, the game still can end with Daemion getting beat by the hero and run away leaving room for the expansion/sequel, IMO they should have used the extra time to make another act instead of "improving" the voice acting -_-; </span>


And for a few smaller gripes

1- bugs! lots and lots of bugs! lots more bugs! big annoying game stopping bugs! (ok this is kind of a big gripe but its already been beaten to death <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> )

2- summon dolls are nice but still doesn’t beat real party members <span class='standouttext'>Spoiler : </span><span class='spoiler'> I was disappointed when that rennar elder (can't remember her name) just left withought offering to join up after restoring her </span>



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no contest.

Divine Divinity is head and shoulders better than Beyond Divinity.

The gameplay in Beyond is slow, linear and fiddly.
The game layouts are very very dull and the acting is appalling.

Seeing as how Diablo 3 may never ever exist, Beyond Divinity was my Holy Grail that turned into a Sows Ear.

They turned a decent franchaise into a sad Baldurs Gate clone.

if they dont go back to the Diablo with a plot model, perhaps introducing network multiplayer aspects, i wont be purchasing another Larian game.



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hello-

i am getting divine divinity today, I am wondering if you consider it a difficult game to finish?

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hello-

My picture is not working under my name, does anyone know why that is happening?

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hello-
Welcome to the Forum maggie...... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

is your avatar linked to an image online?

hello-

i'm not finished yet, so i don't know the answer to that one! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />


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Hello-

I am not sure since I do not understand any ot it? Can you help a beginner?

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Maggie, where is your picture located? Is it on a webspace in the internet or a pic on your PC?
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If it is a pic on your local machine - it will not show up. I can host it for you, if you wish. Send this pic to [email]kiya1@t-online.de.[/email] I will upload it then to my server and send you the URL link, so you can add it in "my home".

If you look at my pic => right click and then on "properties" => you will see an address, the URL link => http://kiya1.de/images/mapavavic.jpg => see? this is the link, Jurak mentioned.

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hello-

have seen yours and looked at the url. thanks for helping, that is one thing I always have a problem with.

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Hello Again-

I believe mine is on my computer in my documents and then pictures.

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Ok, then please send your pic as an attachment to me, I will upload it then and send you the URL link via PM.
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kiya1@t-online.de - as the pics only are allowed to have 80x80 size, I might have to resize it, if it is larger - would you mind?

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My picture is there and looks great thanks to you. Thanks so much.

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ah, so you took one from Hellfighter's link? Looks very nice <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />
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Yes, I though it looked nice and got lucky and it fits, so you were right 100%
Hope anyone who needs help will ask you as I did not know what I was doing and your a big help.

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