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#245174 18/06/04 10:25 PM
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Why do people pirate? It just makes it so they can't even make anymore games!

And I will suppourt any copy protection that lets me play the game and makes it hard to pirate. and this system they use right now lets me play the game. AND IS IT TO HARD TO SWITCH A FRIGGEN DISC???? NO!


Pirates? There are no pirates here! No-no! We are mushrooms... yeah... I think...

You will support any copy protections? Well, the companies do not seem to require your support nor the pirates need your lack of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />.

And yes, it *IS* annoying to switch CDs when you play Baldur's Gate 2 + Throne of Bhaal and traveling betwen Athkatla and Umar Hills to sell loot.

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okay. BG 2, yeah. um. even I can relate to that. But thats why I installed Maximum after so much trouble! ya i know. im just saying I will buy a game even if it has some weird copy protection if it will help. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


and stop Pirating things DATD!



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and stop Pirating things DATD!


Sorry, when you insulted pirates I felt hurt, especially when I was about to install Pirates of the Caribbean (new mods fix many of the bugs) so I had to reply.

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my CD never complains when i use it.

how are your organizational skills, coming along? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


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#245179 18/06/04 11:37 PM
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...and somehow he knows all this... interesting...

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I'll tell you why.
Your pissed off you have to actually pay for this game because of starforce instead of downloading it through "P2P technology" uh yeah.. What was the second phrase? "chat technology"? Gimme a break. Don't troll the forums just because your used to downloading free [nocando] through xdcc/filesharing apps /fxp /affils(i doubt it.)/topsites (HA)/. I could understand if you were angry because this protection screws your ability to play the game, and in some cases I've seen on this forum that holds true for some people. But thats not why your here. It's not a question of why do I have to use a cd-rom drive, it's question of why the hell isn't this piece of software free. If it was you wouldn't be posting in this thread, and you sure as hell wouldn't be asking people how much they paid for BD in a second thread. You can either get a job and pay for something people worked hard to market and create, or wait until the protection is defeated and have your free game. But the one thing you have to do is STFU.

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#245180 19/06/04 01:39 AM
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You can always rely on piracy to cause chaos in a forum <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> Well... At least it keeps everyone posting <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


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#245181 19/06/04 02:49 AM
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...and somehow he knows all this... interesting...

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I'll tell you why.
Your pissed off you have to actually pay for this game because of starforce instead of downloading it through "P2P technology" uh yeah.. What was the second phrase? "chat technology"? Gimme a break. Don't troll the forums just because your used to downloading free [nocando] through xdcc/filesharing apps /fxp /affils(i doubt it.)/topsites (HA)/. I could understand if you were angry because this protection screws your ability to play the game, and in some cases I've seen on this forum that holds true for some people. But thats not why your here. It's not a question of why do I have to use a cd-rom drive, it's question of why the hell isn't this piece of software free. If it was you wouldn't be posting in this thread, and you sure as hell wouldn't be asking people how much they paid for BD in a second thread. You can either get a job and pay for something people worked hard to market and create, or wait until the protection is defeated and have your free game. But the one thing you have to do is STFU.

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Yet he has guts to say directly what I was trying to hint...
The game didn't work? Too bad. You returned it? Why do you complain?

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This is an interesting thread. One man's reaction:

1. Human nature is fixed. Some way needs to be found to protect the creators of valuable property from casual piracy. Until we kill off all the bad guys I guess we are stuck with CDs in the drives, eh? I believe some utopian societies were set up last century to fix this but they did not turn out so good (they killed the wrong people). I also hate to have to lock and unlock my home and to set and clear the alarm system not to mention the monthly alarm charges. It's all part of the same deal, isn't it?

2. I don't like keeping CDs in the drives either because the game I want to play right now is always the one that is not in the drive.

3. I have purchased by now three copies of D2 because of mechanical damage to the discs (mostly caused by me slamming the drawer too fast) but D2 now only costs (at most)$20 so not really a big deal.

4. I just read how DVDs can get "rot" just like Laser Discs did. Rot on optical media looks like flashing white speckles in video. For music, I believe the correction routines paper over most of the flaws. For programs there must be some kind of error correcting routine. The only unplayable CDs I have seen are visibly damaged -- you can see the scratch. Rot, on the other hand is invisible and is caused by oxygen trapped in the plastic during manufacturing or seeping through porous plastic eating at the aluminum. Rot just gets worse over time whether or not the disk is played -- nothing can be done except to buy a new disc and too bad if it is an out of print Laser. There are some (expensive) music CDs that use gold foil instead of aluminum that are immune to rot because unlike cheap aluminum, gold will never tarnish.

5. I had a lot of trouble installing BD on my system until I "removed" the CD drives (using Windows Device Manager) and letting Windows re-install the drivers automatically on restart. CD drivers do not normally come with the drives -- they usually come with and are installed by Windows. Now that I have the game installed, the disk check only takes a few seconds the same as, for example, D2 -- on my four year old P3 system. But the BD (Hip) user interface is a little misleading in that it shows a five inch bar but only a quarter of the bar is covered when the check completes. I find D2s spinning disk icon easier to understand and wait for.










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It was an interesting read, mate. I agree with some things you said and disagree with others but it was a good read. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
I seriously didn't know about rot.

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