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Interesting theory by Mamet. From what I gather, Schindler's List is one of the incredibly rare attempts by Hollywood to create a genuinely accurate historical film, as opposed to the usual rubbish, and for that reason I disagree with him.

His overall point is a good one, but, I feel, wrongly applied in this specific instance. Had he named virtualy any of the other 'historical' Hollywood films, I think his case would have been inarguable.

The term 'Hollywood History' is not used as a running joke for no reason, after all <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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If I ressurect this thread much more, I'm convinced it'll turn into a revenant on me <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

I am currently in the process of attaching a forum to my web site, but I can't yet amend the main page as Angeltowns is shifting servers, so rather than scream and cry a lot (OK, that too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />) I thought I'd tell you guys about it here <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

It's completely writer related (And totally non-profit. I'm not selling anything), so I figure is no competition at all to Larian, and hence (I hope) they won't mind me mentioning it here <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Larian staff - if you DO mind, I apologise most profusely, and will not do it again.

The reason I think some of you might find it interesting is that I've included a board for writers to post their own stories.

Nothing too adult, please, but beyond that - post any kind of stories you want <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

The forum is here: http://elliotkane.proboards27.com/index.cgi

For anyone reading my stuff, it's also a good place to ask questions or tell me what I'm doing wrong <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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I don't care. Do as you wish. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


ROFL <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Will do! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


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In this discussion the talk is about Copyright and Fan Fiction. Very interesting to read (although my own point of view given there is rather extreme, imho.)

But far more interesting is this article, which is about the same thing - in the case of Marion Zimmer-Bradley and a fan. She had written a story which overlaps with a story written by that fan - seemingly she read it - but negotiations between both became fruitless. The publisher then decided not to print that book. And Marion Zimmer-Bradley forbid her fans to write FanFiction stories.

Now I can understand what Lynn meant with "legal reasons" she said when I sent her - in her role as an official representant of Larian studios - a bunch of deep ideas for the <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> Universe.

This isn't funny anymore.

Sad times.

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Fascinating stuff. Thanks, Alrik <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

My general understanding is that the copyright holder can demand the removal of any and all unofficial stories/uses of their character(s) at any time - but that most do not bother with anything that is making no money for the creator or anyone else involved.

Published fan fiction is making money using other people's copyrights, so is obviously stopped ASAP.

Most professional writers I have ever seen an opinion from will never read fanfic to avoid any possibility of lawsuits, and most professional companies are the same.

Even if 99% of fans would say nothing in the event of similarity, there is always the 1% who head straight to the courts, and no publisher/author wants that.

It would be very hard for a writer to claim that they weren't even slightly influenced by a story they had read, after all, whether they were already working on a similar idea or not...


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Elliot or Alrik or both of you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I have a question.

With so many people suing now days over even insignificant things, how can
writers and artists and others sell their works to the public without fear of
being sued. I guess what I am trying to ask is no one comes up with a truly new
idea or a new painting or drawing. They are influenced by what they have read that
other wrote and what others drew. True it may be their own style but yet it is
not truly their own. Where is the line drawn to say this is my idea or my
character only done a little different?

Did I make sense? I don't know. I know what I am trying to ask but I don't know
how to get it into words. Sorry.

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Shan...

I think that's a very good question, actually.

There is no doubt that all writers do derive a lot of ideas from the works of others as well as from their own lives & experiences.

Fortunately, I think most writers are not particularly prone to suing or being sued unless the copying is so absolutely blatant as to be indisputable.

After all, any court case is going to take up a lot of time and money with what amounts to the word of one writer against that of another. There are so many similarities in fiction anyway that providing absolute proof is all but impossible.

So I guess the short answer would be - very few authors are sued because the chance of winning is so slim.

Also, most authors don't make huge amounts of money so it isn't really worth it.

This, at least, would be my guess <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Yes - intellectual property is a very touchy subject, and the burden of proof is heavy... (not only for stories, but for games also)

Basically, plotlines are virtually impossible to protect, as any possible variation has probably occurred in one or the other genre.

Two things are generally attributed to or associated with their creators:

- characters (from Mickey Mouse, Mario and other trademarked characters, to a Sam Spade)
- worlds/universes (the disc world, star wars, middle earth, etc)

Legally it is very hard to impossible (Elliot is right in that) to actually prove that you made an original creation, and vice versa. Especially the successful ones become 'common knowledge', and everyone is influenced - be it only to avoid similarities...



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How to write a best-selling fantasy novel <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


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ROFL! Excellent find, Alrik <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


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Woho, I'll get staring right away <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />!

Honestlly, I didn't recognize most of those points, and I've read quite a lot of phantasy. For being 17 (allmost 18) that is. And point one was just plainlly unfair <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />!

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Someone I know had found it before ... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> I just took it from there ... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


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I'm in a fine forum which I like very much. It's about Creative Writing, mostly lyrics, but a bit prose and other things, too.

CreativeArt

English is in this forum and others connected to ProBoards a MUST. Sadly the company running these boards will delete complete boards without mercy if there appears any other language than English.


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Most funny misspelled words It's misspelled, see ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

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.....

I'm feeling a little strange lately. Or maybe strange isn't the right word to describe how I feel; actually I don't think there isn't a single word invented that could even come close to actually describing it.
Is it love? No, it can't be, I've been seeing the same girl for almost a year now; I know what love feels like, and this is not it.

I am questioning a lot of things lately, like the age old questions of why we are here, if there really are alien life forms out there.. Gosh I would really like to see a real alien once, IF they exist.

But let's not talk about the future, and other things we will never know for sure. No, let us talk about the past.
Nowadays, when you watch an action movie on tv for example, the bad guy has a gun, and the good guy has a gun. And at the end of the movie, one of them gets shot. 1 single bullit, dead. In order to make these movies of a reasonable lenght, there were only a few sollutions.
1 Of them was making the entire movie like a hide and seek game, the other being the main characters' bullits missing each other except for the last 10 minutes.
None of them really give any satisfaction.

But the old days, swordfighters, archers, true heroism, noble knights on horses.. I wish I would have been born in that age, then I would have had a REAL life..


......

Never mind the above, I just wanted to practise my english a little bit again, since I haven't used it for some time.
so if you guys could give me some spelling tips, it would be great <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

The above part is completely ficion btw <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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The above part is completely ficion btw <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


Damn, and I who had a good answer <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />!

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