Larian Studios Forums Beyond Divinity (English) General I will not buy the game because of StarForce 3.33

I undestand what you're saying, and hate the porotections too. But I feel it is ultimately the responsibility of the law enforcement agencies to prevent piracy, not the games industry.

Anybody with the IQ of a well trained chimp can copy a game, get fixes, or whatever. They're wasting money on protections, when they should be bring pressure to bear on the people responsible for the law, and the ones who enforce it.

Since Divinity 2 will have a multiplayer, I think Larian should forget Starforce and switch to CD-Key protection.

Sounds good <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> Seems to work for Blizzard.

Well, you know, xAcesx that whatever Blizzard does, it works for them <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />.

Thanks for the overwhelming response <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

I'll try to answer a few people:

@ Lego : gaining sympathy was not the reason for my post, but there seem to be a lot more people who (partially) agree with me;

@ Deathatthedoor : no thanx, just helping you to reach 3000+ responses on this board;

@ His Divine Shadow e.a. : I accept copy protection, but I don't want to spend TIME sending back malfunctioning discs etcetera.


Protections like Starforce or Securom 5(*) and will not be a problem for (semi)professional pirates (e.g. factories in mainland China or Russia) which use similar production equipment as the original disc manufacturer. Game publishing companies are only making backup copies impossible for the average customer.

Greetings...good luck with your favourite teams on Euro 2004!


(*)note: Securom 5 can't be physically copied because the protection is embedded in the spiral track on the disc during the production process, it can however be emulated by measuring sector delays and writing these delays to the TOC of the disc.

jandeakker
you'll probably never read this, but, of course you were looking for sympathy. perhaps not the "oh, poor boy" type,
but sympathetic to your cause. you're effectively looking for others to join you in boycotting a game due to the CP scheme.
the problem is this, your basic premise is flawed. nowhere in your initial post do you express any difficulties in using
the game disks - only in copying them.
were you simply trying to a make a point, you'd have sent an email directly to the companies involved. by expressing
in a forum you can't even be sure the company will ever see your thoughts.
firstly, as stated before, take care of your stuff and you needn't worry so much about backups.
secondly, by your logic, you'd never buy a house built in 1960 because it doesn't come with a warranty. you'd never buy
a used car, a used book, or (god forbid!) a used CD...because none of these items come with a warranty (return policy) -
meaning, you can't make a backup of them! oh my.
life is full of caveat emptor. use common sense, not only in your purchases, but in your responsibility of those purchases as
well.
a number of posts have pointed out quite legitimate reasons for not liking this copy protection - you simply made a wild
statement.
should we be able to make backups? yes. could this be an irritant? yes. have people expressed real concerns with this
CP? yes. but is the simple fact you can't make a backup enough for a person to not play a game they would like to play?
silly.
your arguments are far from compelling.
but thanks for playing. have a nice life.

Most of your statement was fair enough, but comparing these is just being silly. You must remember, when you buy a game it says "COPY ME" in the EULA, none of the above do. Most of the others come with insurance, and are repairable <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Well, here we go again! So i'll get us started...

agreed. none of the listed say 'copy me'.
but of the 4, only the house has insurance (due to the intital cost). any other insurance must be purchased at an additional cost.
from reading the posts, starforce can also be repaired.

no, my problem is NOT with posters like yourself that have gone on to explain legitimate issues and how they may even have hidden consequences.
it's simply with someone who tries to gain support based on a limited premise.

Yep, he did have a bit of a rant when he came in. But he was probably just upset about the protection.

Sometimes people let off a bit of steam in the forums (as i'm sure you know). I try and inform people about what the possible problems there might be. I have some tech knowledge, and try to use it for everyones benefit <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

The points you made are quite valid, and make an interesting argument. And I look forward to reading more of them <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

don't get me wrong, this CP does not sound like a good thing! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif" alt="" />
and i'll not defend it's use.

i just wish he'd read or added to adraeus's post from the night before his. it almost seems as though he did read it and simply jumped on the bandwagon - but without the support of adraeus's or your knowledge.
posts like the above, or what you've pointed to, are vitally important and need to be seen - hopefully to facilitate change.
and as said before, i applaud those of you who are informed and willing to pass that knowledge on - even at the expense of possibly being flamed (please note, i defended adraeus <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />)

Blizzard uses both a CD copy protection and a CD key. The CD key is for multiplayer mainly, the copy protection is the base security. Any game that has free multiplayer usually does the same, then they just ban your CD key when they want to.

www.vladc.com

This guy seems to have had a bit of trouble with the Divine Divinity CD.

Yes, it only took 30 seconds, but we live in a day and age of laziness, did you know 90% of internet browsers hit the BACK button if a site takes more then 2 seconds to load what they were looking for??

Thats why most people will just buy games which have a nocd patch, why suffer when you can play games comfortably?

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> wasn't protected with StarForce.

Well I think game companys have the right to protect their products ...I hav'nt had any problems with the Copy Protection...If u look after your disks they should last a life-time +++Remembers He still has a DRAGON ED. of Ultima @ home in perfect condition+++

Thats my 2c worth ...

Cheers <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

Welcome, Moonfrost!

I wholeheartedly agree with you. Companies do have a right to protect their products. If you don't like it, don't buy it. 'Nuf said. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


Faralas <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mage.gif" alt="" />

Er... Whatever you say Faralas and Moofrost.

not whatever.... that's just the way it is....

like it or lump it! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

are we gonna keep flogging this dead horse, or what???

getting awfully tired of this.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sleepey.gif" alt="" />

Then don't repsond to it, if you're so sick of it. I didn't keep this thread going either. I was compelled (just like you) to make a post in it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />, so don't moan about someone else doing it, when you're doing it yourself.

a guy here said his BD had starforce in his folder.

true?

http://www.gonegold.com/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=14&t=003314#000017

Just something else I want to refer to, sth I've seen in this thread at GoneGold:

"LYNN from Larian says
" BD wasn't protected with StarForce."

I have never said that, what I said was:

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> wasn't protected with StarForce

I was referring to Divine Divinity.