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Remember, while checking inside of your computer, be sure to have an elbow (bare skinned) or hand on a non-painted metallic surface of the computer, since those surfaces are grounded. The components inside the computer is made to handle 12 volts and static electricity can build up to 10000 volts on your hands. If one of the circuits in your computer comes in contact with 10000 volts, that circuit will die, which is not very good. So stay grounded! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

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You can always check if its not something as simple as a component having come loose...

Open the machine, check if all the cards are in propperly... (you should not be able to see the golden rows of "teeth" where the card clips into the slot... so press on all the cards with MODERATE force, (please dont go snap anything)...

Check if the memory is propperly in by using the same method... and while you at it, check that the ribbon cables are in firmly aswell...

even though it doesnt boot, leave the machine on for 3- 5 minutes, and feel if any part of the computer gets excesively hot, check if all the fans are spinning. The Heatsink on your CPU should NEVER be hotter than lukewarm. for that matter no component should be much hotter than lukewarm.

If all these things are fine...

try the following:
While the machine is off
unplug the power from the unnecesary devices like CD rom, stiffy drive, 2nd hard drive (if any).
See if it will boot now...
If this help, there may be a problem with one of those devices, OR your powersupply is faulty and is no longer supplying enough stable power (and this is where my gut tells me the problem may be, if its not a faulty motherboard and/or CPU as suggested earlier).

That small fan atop the motherboard's onboard chip does not spin. I manually twirled it around (with the power off) and unplugged it and replugged it back into its power source, but it does not spin. I guess that is the problem. So now I need to practically rebuild my computer by removing and replacing the motherboard. Oh well...


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Commiserations Cleg, I know what it feels like, but hey look at the bright side, at least you are gonna have an interesting time <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


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Giant rubber wellies and a rubber glove on your head in the rough approximation of a chicken's head


Why not use complete rubber chickens instead of this ?



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[color:"orange"]That small fan atop the motherboard's onboard chip does not spin.[/color]

Do other lights and fans come on? A bad power supply can light LEDs and turn fans, but not allow the system to POST.

Did you try a different power connector for the fan? For that your motherboard would have to have another fan connector close enough, or you would need an adapter to plug it into a 4 pin connector from the power supply.


[color:"orange"]So now I need to practically rebuild my computer by removing and replacing the motherboard.[/color]

The recent symptoms are consistent with something overheating and possibly becoming permanently damaged (not sure if current chipsets get that hot). The occasional boot problems you had from the start could be due to a bad power supply (though I suppose a loose connection somewhere could behave that way, as well).

Before replacing the MB, try plugging in a different power supply, if possible. You would only need to connect the MB, main fans (if they don't connect through the MB) and the video card (if required) to check if it will POST, not hard drives, etc.

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[color:"orange"]That small fan atop the motherboard's onboard chip does not spin.[/color]

Do other lights and fans come on? A bad power supply can light LEDs and turn fans, but not allow the system to POST.

Did you try a different power connector for the fan? For that your motherboard would have to have another fan connector close enough, or you would need an adapter to plug it into a 4 pin connector from the power supply.


[color:"orange"]So now I need to practically rebuild my computer by removing and replacing the motherboard.[/color]

The recent symptoms are consistent with something overheating and possibly becoming permanently damaged (not sure if current chipsets get that hot). The occasional boot problems you had from the start could be due to a bad power supply (though I suppose a loose connection somewhere could behave that way, as well).

Before replacing the MB, try plugging in a different power supply, if possible. You would only need to connect the MB, main fans (if they don't connect through the MB) and the video card (if required) to check if it will POST, not hard drives, etc.
All the other lights and fans come on. The fan which does not spin is a fan which comes with the motherboard already attached. It sits atop a VIA chip I believe. I actually had trouble with it early on -- it made awful noises. After a time the noise stopped and I assumed that it was running ok, but it might have simply stopped functioning and caused some overheating damage. I should have another power supply I can scavenge from an old computer that I can try. I'll see what I can do. Thanks for the suggestions.


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The chipset fan may already be attached, but it should be replaceable (it would be a very poor design to hardwire it in, anyway).

With the previous fan problems that puts heat as the most likely problem. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> However, if you can scavenge another power supply, that would be much easier and cheaper to check first than a new motherboard.

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This is proving to be more complicated than just a fan not spinning on the MB.

It turns out I don't have a suitable substitute power supply to try; my power supply does meet the specs however. Anyway, I emailed ASUS, the MB manufacturer. I received a reply which I am posting at the bottom of this post. Following their directions, I still got no post when I removed the MB from the case. But after I removed the CPU, I was able to force a post/vocal post error to the effect there was no CPU. The MB fan still does not spin. A couple of times during my multiple starts it tried to spin, but did not succeed in spinning. So -- I could have an issue with the CPU as well as the MB fan? How do I test the CPU? Remove the old thermal paste, apply new paste and retry it?



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There are a couple of reason that your system may not be sending a signal to your monitor or giving you any post beeps. The first thing to try is to insure that we are not having something as simple as a grounding/emi interference problem. Start by taking the motherboard out of the case you have it in, set it back up on the cardboard box that it came in straight to the card board(do not use the antistatic foam, plastic, or an antistatic mat as these can keep your system from posting) if you do not have the box then use a phone book, newspaper or some other completely non-conductive material. Connect up to the motherboard just the bare minimums needed to post your system up the cpu(w/heatsink and fan), video card(connected to monitor), memory, power supply and powered speakers if your board has our vocal post reporter. Power the system up outside the case, if you are now getting video and post then we need to take some extra steps before mounting the board back into your case to prevent it from not posting again, the easiest remedy for this is to get some standard black electrical tape and make a cross over the brass or metal standoffs you are mounting the board into, this will accomplish 2 things, it will insure against a metal to metal contact and it will lift the board up away from the case insuring that no solder points are sitting to close to the case generating an emi field.

If out of the case you are still getting no post/no video then we need to try and force a post/vocal post error, remove your cpu from the socket and power the system up if you then get post/vocal post errors such as no cpu installed then we will need to have the cpu tested to insure that it is functioning properly, go thru each of the main components that we had left connected to the board to verify they are working. Another reason your board may not be posting is if your board came with a bios on it that will not support the cpu you have installed, please go to the link provided below and check to see if your board required a bios update to work with your cpu:

http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx.

Power can also be a factor when you are having a no post/no video situation as each power supply manufacturer differs in the way they rate their wattages you can have huge difference in the actual amount of power the power supply can push out. When choosing a power supply the best method would be to check the side of the power supply under DC output and verify what each of the voltage rails can distribute. We recommend that the +3.3 voltage rail which powers your cpu and your video card can supply at least 28 amps, the +5 voltage rail which powers up all of the IC chips on your motherboard be able to supply at least 35 amps, the +12 voltage rail which powers all drives and fans be able to supply at least 18-20 amps and the +5VSB which will be the determining factor for bringing your system out of standby mode be able to supply at least 2 amps.

You may also want to try clearing your CMOS settings using the CLRTC(CLR_RTC) jumper or solder points and removing the battery this will set the bios back to factory defaults and may resolve a bios conflict that can cause the problem you are having. To do this first locate the CMOS battery and the CLRTC jumper/solder points in your user manual on the page with the drawn motherboard layout this is usually in the first section of your manual, next unplug your power supply cord from the back of the computer, pop the battery out and move the jumper cap or short the solder points for fifteen seconds after doing this then reverse the procedure.

After trying all of these steps and verifying all other components as working then please contact our RMA dept.


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I can be (and i have seen this a few times before) that the motherboard blew the CPU... due to the (i presume) North bridge overheating, the CPU get forced into an erronious loop... eventually blowing it... (typical symptoms is the PC getting SLOW stages, then comming out of it, which gets progressively worse).

It may also be that at some stage you had a power surge, which blew the CPU....

But have both the MB and CPU tested (and swopped out if possible)



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Re-installing the CPU in your MB probably wouldn't help, unless there was a loose connection or corrosion on some of the pins, or something, which reseating the CPU might fix (unlikely). Replacing the CPU might be safer than leaving it out on the table, though.
You would have to either install your CPU in a different working computer or install a known working CPU in your MB (preferably both) to isolate whether the problem is with the MB, CPU or both.

If you can not get your hands on another compatible computer (that you can take apart), any decent repair shop will have test systems they can swap components in and out of. You mentioned the MB was still under warrantee, but how about the power supply and (more importantly) CPU? If a shop replaces something under warrantee there shouldn't be a cost (though you should check first in case they add shipping charges or something) but there would probably be some kind of diagnostic fee for out of warrantee components (ie an OEM CPU may only have 90 days coverage).

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In the press there have recently been *many* articles about brokwn-down electrolyt capacitors. They just go broken over the time.

I think you should better check them, too. Their acid (once they're broiken) can do damage to the main board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolytic_capacitor

Look especially here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague


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My current plan is to replace the motherboard under warranty (I have an RMA# now.), and upgrade the cpu from an Athlon 64 3500 to a dual core athlon x2 3800 if I can find one in socket 939. They are not too expensive. I know that intel has superior dual core processors, but then I have to buy a new motherboard and memory as well. God, RAM gets expensive these days!

I am also getting increasingly suspicious of the power supply, which I can run a few tests on with a multimeter--I plan on doing that this weekend. So, if all goes well I'll have my box up and running with an upgraded cpu in a couple of weeks.

It is tempting to upgrade everything, but that costs money. And I might be doing a travel position in a month which will necessitate a laptop. Ah well.

Thanks to everyone for all of the helpful advice.


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I bought a new PC a few days ago(finally) and it got a dual core 1.86GHz processor(s). Now I wonder: is this equal to a 3.72GHz processor or is it just faster then a 1.86GHz processor?
Other information about the PC:
Graphical card: Geforce 7650GS
1GB RAM
DVD-writer 16x
DVD-reader 16x
I wasn't able to see which motherboard it got

I'm pretty happy about it and for the one's intrested it costed €799.


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What brand of processor?

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I bought a new PC a few days ago(finally) and it got a dual core 1.86GHz processor(s). Now I wonder: is this equal to a 3.72GHz processor or is it just faster then a 1.86GHz processor?
Other information about the PC:
Graphical card: Geforce 7650GS
1GB RAM
DVD-writer 16x
DVD-reader 16x
I wasn't able to see which motherboard it got

I'm pretty happy about it and for the one's intrested it costed €799.


hmm if you type into the start>run> DXDIAG then hit enter the dx program will run a diagnostic (hence the name) and at the end it will give you the opportunity to print a report, once you done this, say saved to desktop then open that text file copy and paste it on the forum and voila all your details will be laid bare <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


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[color:"orange"]dual core 1.86GHz processor(s). Now I wonder: is this equal to a 3.72GHz processor or is it just faster then a 1.86GHz processor?[/color]

It depends on the program. Most current programs are not multi-threaded, so would only be able to use one core. However, Windows can manage which applications are run on which core, so if you have multiple programs running, task switching would be smoother (ie a CPU intensive program running in the background would not interfere with whatever is running in the foreground, and vise versa).

Some programs are multi-threaded, particularly CPU intensive ones such as video editors, etc, as are a couple games, so would be able to utilize both cores at the same time. It depends on the program on how much of a difference that would make; there is a little overhead managing the 2 cores, so at a maximum you would get a bit less than 3.72GHz performance out of any program.

Multi-core processors are the way Intel and AMD are going, so eventually multi-threaded applications should become more common (for non-trivial applications, anyway).

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and so sayeth the "Sage" of larian <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


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open that text file copy and paste it on the forum and voila all your details will be laid bare


isn't it a bit long to paste it on the forum? unless ofcours I start a new thread just for pasting the log. If I could upload it somewhere, I would have no problem with it.(unless there are hackers who can actually hack my system by reading my systeminfo)

Is there a way you can choose if the program uses the same cpu as all other programs, or can you click a button somewhere, forcing the program to use the second CPU?


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OK, I have a friend who bought Warcraft 3 (with expansion) a while back. The problem is he keeps getting fatal errors (ie game quits) that sais:

Fatal Error, c0000005 Memory could not be read

This might be liveable if he plays single player, but if he plays multiplayer, and then especially DotA (which I'm teaching him <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />) getting one of those errors means destroying for the other nine persons in his game. He has tried several things (like updateing his graphic card), but none have worked. Have any suggestions?

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