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#296276 20/02/05 12:52 PM
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What?!? You cut my nose off?!? YOU [nocando]!!! *Übereil aims and then takes a BIG bite of Wallace a$$*.

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*points to the house of the Pirate who's selling artificial parts (known from Monkey Island IV)*



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I have never understood the concept of copyrighted images. I am also not familiar with the procedure of getting any image copyrighted. Could someone already familiar with the procedure enlighten me? I would like to copyright some of screenshots from UT. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

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Well, basically *everything* is copyrithted - by you, since you are the "Urheber" (a German lawyers term for that), you are the Originator of something.

In pronciple this means that you can forbid people to use things you've created - in fact no-on cares about that.

German laws and U.S. laws differ in the point that in the U.S. you can actually selkl the "spiritual proerty" of that - what we call "geistiges Eigentum" - the idea to create a thing as such. We here also call therefore therything that's created with the help of the mind or spirit as "Geistiges Eigentum" - not only the idea as such, but also its materialistic "impersonation", I mean an idea crystallized into its material form (an invention, maybe, or a painting, or a song).

In Germany, we cannot sell the complete rights, but the right to publish it. And that can b - like everywhere else - almost forever (well, I think I've read that after 75 years things become "public domain" or such a thing, but I'm not sure about that).

The thing is, that only rcently the music indistry and the publishers of printed meterial became more and more aware of their monopolistic status - publishing is power. People rely on you. You can dictate the prices.

That’s why they are forcing copyritht things this far - with the „Digital Millennium Act“ (I think that was the name) as the peak.

The sad thing is that the U.S. as a economical giant tries to push their laws into global business - rsulting in many countries adopting their kinds of laws (like seen in the european patent war). GATT is a prominent vehicle for that.
So, practically this means that the major companies are sitting in the U.S. and are pursuing copyright violations from the U.S. - with their laws as background. It’s symptomatic, imho, that they don’t do this from smaller countries.

A „collateral damage“ of that are the private users or home users. Business isn’t interested in helping them at all. All their rules and laws are tailored for their needs - not the needs of an home user. If I as a home user would try to use the copyright laws against a company, I would have no chance. Also, they have the best lawyers with lots of money to pay them, whereas I as a home user have almost nothing - compared to that.

A practical result of that - although never used this far - would be that companies theoretically are „allowed“ to happily steal copyrighted material from home users - simply because of their power and might (and money, and lawyers ...). No-one protects home users, and companies aren’t even interested to do o.

It’s like huge security congresses : They are for companies only. They are not for home users - although they are the far wakest point in the chain (or pyramid) - because it doesn’t pay. You cannot earn money with security and home users. Instead, you could rather use them as „cash cows“, because if their almost non-existent security fails, they’ss have to buy new Software, Hardware etc. . Makes money.

You see, I’m *very* critical and pessimistic over that.


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What would you say if you wrote a book and in writing that book it took you years of mental labor, research, and perseverance to finally finish it?
You get it copywrited and published by a book company.
Then your book is on the brink of becoming a national best seller, but it doesn’t make it.
You find out that 3 to 10 times the quantity of your whole book has been uploaded and given away for free on the internet.
You, the creator, have lost out on all of those sales.
Basically, billions of people stole your work from you.
Would you like someone to break into your home and steal everything you own out of your house? That would be the equivalent of what has happened to you and your book when billions of people downloaded it absolutely for free off of the internet.

It is not perfect, it is not perfect, it is not perfect and the kinks need to be ironed out, and true there will be some internal corruption, but the goal of Digital Millennium act is a step in ensuring you get paid for your work.

I don’t care if it is Americans, Germans, or Spaniards.
If you, as an individual, puts forth a ton of your own time and effort into something like writing a major 500 to 700 page book, you want to get paid for it. You do not want people stealing it from you.

When you buy software, the EULA copyright, you are not buying the software.
You are buying the PRIVILEGE, PRIVILEGE, PRIVILEGE, to use that software.
If you look up your EULA laws for your country, you’ll note this is true World Wide.

Tsel <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Wait a moment !

What I want - as the author - are ALL rights !

I want to have TOTAL CONTROL over my work !

Which means that I don't want a company (a publisher) to do what they want with my work.

If I take a look at the music industry and considr how few money the actual producers ( I mean individuals) of a song get (I think it was about 9 % ) , then I feel ashamed. And even worse : the music industry wants to even lower that rate !

I belive that originators of work deserve a lot of more money for their "year long research", and not only a few per cent of the actual price (how it's sold, actually).

As long as I have to give up almost all of my rights to a company in order to publish anything at all ("publish or perish" with a cynical twist), then I won't do it.

What's even worse is that publishers have a monopoly on Knowledge - I mean in scientific works. Any scientific researcher must frely on knowlefge - and threfore publishers of scientific books can dictat their prices. If someone can't afford it - bad luck. Lack of knowledge.

I've been studying Geology for a while. And all I can say that scientific books needed by the studends *are* expensive.

Even the person who originally had written the scientific book can be forbidden to copy his own work, at least in theory.

And what is when scientific books simply "get out of print" ? Another problem. Still you are not allowed to copy them (the same problm with the so-called "abandonware"), but you also don't get the scientific knowledge that's buried in these out-of-print-books.

That's what buggers me.

Alrik.


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I would like to quote what I read on a topic at orkut
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Topic: Thanks to the Starforce Crackers


Ali Thanks to the Starforce Crackers 12/15/2004 10:04 PM
I, on behalf of all the Divinity series lovers all over the world who can't buy the cds, respect the affort of all the hackers who did their best to crack the starforce [nocando] code.

Brandon 2/16/2005 6:34 PM
sadlythe decision on using starforce was that of the publisher, not the developer so when u got yoursef the cracked game, u're crapping on the hard work of Larian Studios. in another words, u're making sure that it will be a lot harder for them to develp new games because u don't buy the original game that actually pays their efforts.

so do u have the original game?

Ali 2/16/2005 7:17 PM
I couldn't buy BD not because i haven't enough money or dont want to pay. but because its not published in my country and I know many with same condition.

Brandon 2/17/2005 12:02 AM
where are u from, by the way? import is one way to get the game. as for me, i asked a cousin in the states to help me.

Andreas 2/17/2005 2:03 PM
Hello.

In some rare cases, for people with extreme problems ith the protection, Larian can give a kind of "Registry key". But please this should only be used in extreme cases.

What I want to say with this is : Larian tries to be polite with their customers; if they use a protection, they try to do it in a way so that the gamers are also satisfied.

By the way, wasn't there a sries about the dveklopment of BD where they complained about it ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Wallace wish.. 2/18/2005 12:25 AM
.. lynn could see this thread.



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You two sound very morbid on the present copyright laws. I don't have a very good opinion about them now <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />


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We had a ton of discussions about this when Beyond Divinity first came out. I must have gotten into an argument with every new person who came complaining about it. Ahh, good times.



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Umm, yeah, sounds like a real nice community. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />


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Yeah.

I may or may not join some day. If Brandon and Alrik like it, sounds not bad. But I'm stretched thin over the internet right now, and have lots of work in school.



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Well, I don't do too much in Orkut now; that's mostly due to the server errors there ... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

I'm slowly getting to know everything there ...



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