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I am staying out of this thread but my sig should explain...its something I am writing a paper on atm

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My English are improving. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/XmasJump.gif" alt="" />
I understood Nero's sig. And I like it very much. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />


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I understood Nero's sig. And I like it very much. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />


Luc, you were always better than you gave yourself credit for <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Have to agree with his sig too. Every person and situation is unique, so generalizeing isn't the smartest thing to do.

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I don't entirely agree with you, as I think is obvious, but I think this discussion will be much poorer without you. Please don't feel put off from contributing

You are very nice but i prefer to stop talking in this topic for several reasons.
I felt that some people misunderstood what i said.
Someone said :

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This thread is kinda insulting...

I guess the next post would be : "Please close this thread".
It reminds me the Pope thread. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />
This kind of topic is embarassing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Anyway we could discuss again about another subject less......embarassing.
You are an ancient member of the forum and i don't really know you.
For exemple we could talk about London which is a town i love very much.


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maybe Barta has said her piece so she has nothing else to say? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

No i would have had to say a lot more about this subject.


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That is what i told my Love every Day <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
I`m a good Stone, a lovely Stone, an Angel. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />
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But she dosn`t belive that <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" /> i wonder why <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

You're joking. She believes that !
I wish you a lot of happyness. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/XmasJump.gif" alt="" />

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Barta...

I will of course respect your wishes.

I am a... Well, I suppose an occasional member of the forum, in that I drop in every once in a while before mysteriously vanishing again <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> But this type of topic always sparks my interest.

I'll not likely be hugely active here again until DD2 comes out.

London... The most cosmopolitan city on Earth. Yeah, I understand loving it. I do myself <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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I am staying out of this thread but my sig should explain...its something I am writing a paper on atm


very interesting, nero. i hope u will share the article with us once u're done with it.

@ barta -> please don't feel embarrased by threads like this one. it serves to provoke thinking. for my case, it made me think; am i like the men those ultra feminists say i am? maybe i am not but is it possible for me to be one? just how easy is it to be one? can i fight it? can i be better? in what ways can i improve on my behavoiur towards women? etc etc etc

so threads like this is never a waste. it makes me think. & when it does, it has already serve its purpose. whether it makes me a supporter of feminism is another matter entirely. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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It is possible for all human beings, male and female, to be horrible, brutal and disgusting excuses for people. But we don't have to be <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> We have the choice <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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exactly, EK, but it is crucial (at least for me) that we acknowledge our fallibility & potential to succumb to such, which will bring us to conscious choice.


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@ barta -> please don't feel embarrased by threads like this one. it serves to provoke thinking.

@ Janggut

I don't feel embarassed.
I said the subject is embarrassing, it's different.
As you said it's provoque thinking and asking questions about ourselves and about what we see around us without any reaction.
I mean about violence.

But some people have been hurted.
Virgo Bluefire said : "I am going to commit suicide" !
And a good friend of mine told me in a PM : "you say you are not extreme, but from my point of view it comes over as very extreme".

Anyway it was a good discussion and i just regret that people like Kiya, Master Guroth, Cleglaw and Womble were not there to give their opinion.

@ Elliot Kane

It was a pleasure to talk with you.
Even if you are an occasional member of the forum, we will meet again sooner or later.
I am going in vacation and i will be away for several weeks.
But i always come back. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

@ Luc

Don't be mad at me because i did not answer to your last mail, i will try to send you a letter.

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Janggut - I agree <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> The potential is in all of us to be really GOOD people, too, and the best people - of both sexes - try hard to be <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> But yes - it IS a choice <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Barta - you're not an extremist. I've talked with extremists, and they are nothing like you. Your friend is wrong. I am sure we will talk again at some time, and I hope you enjoy your holiday <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Personally, I'm quite embaressed how ... this discussion had become . I sense a bit aggressiveness in it, which I don't like.

I guess we should leave it to the point of Elliot Kane : Everyone can be cruel sometimes, but we have a choice (unless we are psychical ill).


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Anyway it was a good discussion and i just regret that people like Kiya, Master Guroth, Cleglaw and Womble were not there to give their opinion.


Agreed. But then again, it's a pity they're not here to share their oppinions and views in general.

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No problem Barta. You have been so nice to me!
I wish you to have the best vacation!
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Aaahhh, now the good part of the thread is beginning. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


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exactly, EK, but it is crucial (at least for me) that we acknowledge our fallibility & potential to succumb to such, which will bring us to conscious choice.


That is so true. It reminds me of these two beautiful quotes (roughly translated by your devoted):
I am human and nothing human is alien to me (Terence)
There are not crime of wich I can't imagine myself being the perpetrator (Goethe)

And after the choice, comes the work...

@Alrik
Please, don't feel embarrassed. Confrontations are part of life; if the differents & misunderstandings are handled and solved a lot of good can come out from it. It is just important that people don't stay with any grief, keep good will and remain open minded. This subject is always a delicate and slippery one.

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Bonnes vacances; amuses-toi autant que possible, gâtes-toi et reviens-nous en forme! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />


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Bonnes vacances; amuses-toi autant que possible, gâtes-toi et reviens-nous en forme! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />


This is the English part of the forum! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />

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translation for so far my french goes:

Good vacation, Have the best time possible, eeeuh something about resting I guess and coming back in a good shape.


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@ Hey Ube do not get mad. LaFille wanted to write a wish and sometimes wishes are personal. It is not so bad.

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I only got off topic because Barta left and I wanted to say thanks. I did not use her pm because usually it is closed when she is away. My apologies.


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For so far your french goes, it goes good Dragh. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />
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