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Viper #32647 17/03/03 08:39 PM
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" Road rage, air rage. Why should I be forced to divide my rage into seperate categories? To me, it's just one big, all-around, everyday rage. I don't have time for distinctions. I'm too busy screaming at people. " -George Carlin
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good to see you seth =)

Hi mickey,
You doin' ok?



yeah, you get my pm i sent you?

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a proud conservative christian republican....

good to see you seth =)


Just out of curiosity what's a proud conservative christian like yourself doing on a board like this? No offense, but isn't playing any kind of RPG a sin?


to some it's a personal conviction. hard to explain...

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Hmmm, I remember when Dungeons and Dragons became really popular. One would think that Gary Gygax was satan himself to hear some christians talk about it.


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um, no offense, but i think dungeons and dragons is one of the geekiest thigns in the world =OP

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I think D & D is a lot of fun and takes a lot of imagination. As with anything, some people can take things 'over the line'; but for those of us who don't, it's liberating & mind broadening. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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um, no offense, but i think dungeons and dragons is one of the geekiest thigns in the world =OP


lol! So you've discovered my true geek identity. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I'm a geek from waaaay back. I married a geek and I'm probably going to raise some geek kids. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


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>>Besides ending communism, fascism, and nazism - war has never solved anything!>>

Mickey, no offense taken, but I disagree with your signature: a war can't change people's minds, heart or thoughts. They may keep a bit silent for some time - if they haven't been killed - but their minds, heart and beliefs still remain. Germany is not the only country with neo-nazis, but we've got them here: young people.
The old-communists in former Russia still try to corrupt the country and nearly every country has facists.
And if I'm not totally wrong: The racist community Ku-Klux-Clan is still active in the USA.
War may change conditions - for better or worse - but it takes more and other efforts to solve and change.
If I misread the irony behind your signature, then, please forget my post <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
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Addendum: I liked your opening post, I consider it very precious, this kind of old love, of growing together - never experienced it though, my own personal record is 4 years <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> of close relationship.

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Communism killed people mickey?? How can an ideal kill people? The whole idea of communism(or socialism) is a great deal fairer than capitalism. It was simply poorly implemented and abused by power-hungry dictators such as Stalin.
When Lenin and the Russian people overthrew the Tzarist regieme the people in that country were starving. Unfortunately Lenin's ideals and Russia's industrial growth were cut short by an axe in the head <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> but Russia may have been greatly different today if Stalin had never risen to power.
Pack it in with the red-bashing. Besides, its totally 80's anyway.

Are you trying to equate the 2nd world war to this little piss-ant conflict in Iraq??
This will not even be a war dude, Bush will bomb, bomb, bomb and when the smoke has cleared and the only thing standing is a three-legged cockroach with a limp the Iraqis will surrender.
Bush is doing several things with this 'war'.
1) Trying to justify the US's MASSIVE military budget.
2) Get his sad ass another political term of office.
3) Exercising 100,000 bored soldiers.

You don't fight terrorism by declaring war on a country. It just doesn't work like that, trust me. This is an invasion.
The US are such a bunch of chickens anyway. The UK went down to the falkland islands with about 10 ships, and lost a few to a well armed opponent. All to save a few farmers and some penguins. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

The terrorist attacks will increase after this, martial law, even a police state. I'm not even sure I want to live in this arrogant country anymore.

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right on, womble. communisim is a great idea, on paper. it has the potential to go terribly wrong, though.

there have been times when a war is inevitable, and needed, to stop something or someone. however, this time it is not the case.
i found this on the internet at http://www.whatreallyhappened.com:



At http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0112/04/se.04.html is a transcript of President Bush's comments regarding the day of the attacks on the World Trade Towers.

Towards the bottom of the transcript is the following quote. (Note: Some readers are reporting that the version of the CNN transcriopt they see in some parts of the country has been edited to remove the following comment. George Orwell would be proud!)

QUESTION: One thing, Mr. President, is that you have no idea how much you've done for this country, and another thing is that how did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?

BUSH: Well... (APPLAUSE)

Thank you, Jordan (ph).

Well, Jordan (ph), you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."

But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack."

There is a problem with the above statement. There was no live video coverage of the first plane hitting the tower. There couldn't be. Video of that first plane hitting the tower did not surface until AFTER the second plane had hit.

Bush is lying through his teeth here.

Even though Bush is not a very good pilot (he was taken off of flight status for failure to take a medical exam which included a drug test), it would be silly to assume that a passenger jet hitting the WTC in clear weather was pilot error. The only other known impact between an aircraft and a New York skyscraper was when a military airplane crashed into the Empire State Building in a heavy fog. Because of that incident, there are mandatory altitude minimums over the island. If Bush really did see an airplane on TV hitting the World Trade Towers, then he saw that the aircraft was under control at the time.

And, it must be remembered that even after andy informed Bush of the second impact, and by his own admission Bush knew we were being attacked, he continued to read to the classroom full of children.

Just think about that for a while.

Confirmation of Bush's comments is also at http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011204-17.html and http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,612354,00.html


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i can't remember where now, but i once read or saw something that tied in all recent events into one big bush lie. he knew about the world trade centers, but he let it happen to get america all riled up so he could move into afganistan. we wanted afganistan for their heroin. you are all aware the cia controls the drug trade? now bush is going after the oil in iraq.
i will try to find it again.

the main reason i am opposed to this war is because it's not about saddam. he just wants control of the oil.


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Thanks for the supporting reply Faile. Note that you are one of the americans I've met(virtually) that I do not shower with the same derisory scorn as the rest. I'll check out those sites later, rather amusing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />


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Well, let's see. Bush seinior was the head of the CIA before becoming vice president and then president and he got to keep all the hard drives from the white house when he left office. Jeb promised Bush Jr that he would give him Florida and lo and behold there was some confusion over ballots and who exactly was registered, but only in counties that traditionally vote democratic. Am I missing something here? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shhh.gif" alt="" />


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They better leave Jeb out of this though.
He isn't to bright. He already called the king of Spain "the president of Spain". And that while Spain is one of the few countries who's suporting Bush in this Iraq thing. What a mistakea to makea <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


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womble- thank you.

hypatia- you are definitaly on the right track, don't forget everything about how america trained the taliban, though! and the bush family's closness with the bin ladens...

speaking of that osama guy, what ever happened with him? hmmm?? do we ever hear osama stuff anymore?
oops, it seems we forgot about him.


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nice info, but it seems the war has a [color:"green"] green [/color] light now. Bush is going to war even if Saddam decides to leave after all... which he won't do


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it's sick, isn't it


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very, but expected though


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That was pretty cool. Sad that human nature hasn't evolved much in 2000 years. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />
Seems like America has been looking for enemies for a long time. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />


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