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*Sniggers to self* -mooooooo <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Right, I'm off home to play. More exiting topical debate tomorrow.....

sorry, i don't believe in even distribution...

i believe if you want something you go out and earn it. alot of people who are rich are rich because they earned it. take bill gates for example, he's rich because he earned it.

granted there are some people who get rich without earning it, such as the lottery which is something i don't like and don't think we should have it. or others use dishonest methods to attain wealth.

but like i said, all earthly systems have their flaws and cracks that people can slip through, even communism.

a lot of people have been killed by religious zealots claiming to be christians, but they really weren't.



let him get off his lazy butt and get his own cow...

i'm all for helping people, but i'm not one for condoning laziness. if my neighbour is in need because he's a lazy bum, then i would have a hard time lending him a hand. but if he's genuinely down on his luck, then i would help him gladly.



makes the most sense to me. that way you can have even more cows and have more to help other people with.

i think that people should always help out others who have less, but they should have that freedom to choose whether they do or not. they shouldn't be forced into being charitable.

isn't it ironic that this discussion is in a thread titled "more beautiful"....

i seem to be a political debate magnet.

happens no matter what i post or what forum i post on...

hey you started it

Bill Gates-*sighs* what a C**T!
Agreed though, he earned most of his wealth and I'm sure he's very happy screwing people over for a new OS every 6 months. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />
With wealth comes power AND responsibility, the capitalist system does not make people return the results of their good fortune to the state. Taxes are virtually even for every pay bracket.

If it were for people like you I would never have had an education. Fortanately I was one of the last poeple (mid nineties) to qualify for a student grant in the UK. I see the amount of debt people have to pay for the right to an education now and frankly, it stinks.
I had several friends who weren't so lucky however. They went through 3 years of college on loans of over 10,000 pounds per year. What is the point of getting a job when you could get just as much cash doing nothing. (UK student loans have a stipulation which requires you to be employed to start repaying)

I can thank the fact that I am sitting here in this chair with a (good) job to a policy implemented by a socialist government in the UK of the '70s. A policy that was torn apart and slowly destroyed over the next 15 years by a conservative government. A government that helped drag the boom-bust economy back into being and wiped out the economic stability of a country for a quick fix.

One thing, I agree on the religious zealot point. The name of many a belief has been perverted to commit the worst imaginable atrocities, even that of the muselim faith.

The cow thing was obviously written by a capitalist. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Should be "One man has 100 cows and taxes the crap out of everyone else for milk"

Some people can achieve great things with more state help. I would have been stuck in my back-ass white trash home town now if I hadn't had a break. Think about that before you tell someone to 'get off his lazy ass'. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

i didn't call you lazy, womble. i simply pointed out that there are lazy people.

and when someone makes it it would be nice if they gave back to others who needed a hand, but like i said they shouldn't be forced into doing something. it should be volunary.

i'm not a big fan of the way the college system is set up in the US right now, either but, but to be honest, i don't think that has anything to do with our discussion on capitialism verse communism or socialism.

there are some capitialistic countries that do provide a collegiate education without burdening them with thousands of dollars in student loans.

That's the trouble though, nobody ever voluntarily gives money back to the system. The educational system point is a litle OT but is was a general point about what can happen when the state helps someone i.e. under a socialistic type of system.
My country's universities are full of rich, upper/middle class kids now, the difference is rather disgusting.

I know you didn't call me lazy. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I have heard it (especially as a student) from a lot cretins though. (conservatives and liberals) Some people have no idea what goes on in a poor person's life. Some breaks NEVER come to people in poor areas and there are a lot of talented people there. A capitalist system is shooting itself in the foot because it ignores 4/5 of its population and the talent therein. When a person is not given an incentive to work of course they will become lazy. 'Community programs' do not pay well.

There are well supported educational programs in most european countries. A lot of these countries also have left-wing governments. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

Womble, how would you call the German Government - left-wing? If so <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />, our education system is going down rapidly. German schools are in the lower middle-field of the PISA studies - they've been cut down on money for several years now: Teachers too old, a totally old-fashioned civil-servant-system, closing school libraries, forcing parents to buy additional school lecture for their children. Universities are too old and technically not up-to-date, over-crowded and here again a totally oldfashioned stupid civil-servant-system. We have a rather high population of foreigners, but special classes for teaching these kids a proper German were cut down, too. NO teachers in teaching them their mother tongue, so they remain wanderers between the cultures.
Students and pupils in Germany are the oldest to go out to life, the education system is really a disgrace. If I think of it, I get really angry. I know, Germany has a lot of economic problems dealing with Reunion and trade problems, unemployment rate is very high. But to cut down education is to cut down future.
I don't know if I can call this capitalism, the right and left wing have been doing a real good job in depriving kids of their future.
If you want to look where the good education is: Scandinavia.
Kiya

aye
For education you have to be in Canada, Scandinavia and (strange but true <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />) Belgium.
For years now those countries been on top of a list the UN publishes every year.
They check everything: quality of the schools, classes you can atend, quality of the lessons, environment and everything for the students, ...

Thanks for the info Kiya. This is what an international forum is all about. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Sorry your educational system sucks as much as the one in the UK.

OT - I may get slammed for this comment but I'll say it anyway. Why should a country provide education for (note-illegal) immigrants? The UK has such a large problem with an immigration influx since the serb-croat war and the opening of the channel tunnel. I guess better help should have been given to their countries but it isn't right that they should be given preference over the country's rightful citizens. I don't really know why I made the comment but it just bugs me.

I have a legal visa for the US but I do regard myself as fortunate. (sort of)

Oh, Womble, I'm talking about 2nd/3rd generation kids of foreigners! The parents were lured into Germany in the 60es and 70es, cause Germany wanted their Trade Wonder (Wirtschaftswunder), grmbl. But after some years all integration programs were cut down. And these kids can't speak a proper German, cause they have their mother-tongue at home, they live in separate communities - yes, I hate to admit it: Acceptance of some countries is VERY low here. So, these kids have their own language, a mix out of German and mother tongue, called Kanaka, angry kids, desillusioned kids, no-future-kids...
Some of them are then sent off to their original countries, they go to school there for a few years, return and can't speak their or German language properly: No good education, low grades in the final report, no qualification for a job. Womble, it's a total disgrace. I don't want to name the specific home countries, please understand - but I'm very ashamed of what's happening.
No integration programs, none at all now.
Kiya

And worst of all, by both wings in our countries. You know my job, don't you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />? I have to deal with this every day now.

that is the trouble, that a lot of people don't give back to the community when they make it. but part of being free and living in a free world is having that option.

there are some people who make it big and acquire mass amounts of money that do give back to the community.

darrel green, a cornerback for the washington redskins for twenty years has his own foundation that is designed to help underpivilged people.

durwood merril, a baseball umpire, has established his own charitable organisation which helps poor families.

then there's the boys and girls club of america which gets alot of help from various other athletes and famous people.

i have a very big idea what goes on in a poor person's life. that's how i was raised, and right now as an adult i am just barely able to stay above the poverty line.

That sucks Kiya. Sounds like the government simply brought these people into the country for the cash and then left them to rot. These (in my country the Pakistanis) people tend to be very isolationist and form their own communities. As in the US you do not want to be a white guy walking down these streets!
Anyway, the point is that the kids are subjected to their mother tounge most of the time and forced to speak it to communicate with their parents. Simply no chance to practice. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />

Mickey - glad to hear there are some charitable people out there. A lot of communities are still totally in need of some money though. Sorry to hear about your lack of cash, sucks. (beats me why your'e republican then <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />)

Free world?? Dream world more like. Can I wear my 'peace' t-shirt and not get arrested then?

you might have people rag on you but you won't get arrested.

are you in the UK or in maine?

i may not have much cash but i do what i can to help others out.

a girl at work shakes her head when i do though. she worries way too much about me.

I work in Boston now but I am from england. I believe maine is MN. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

What about the story I heard of a guy getting arrested in a NY mall? Apparently all he was doing was wearing a peace t-shirt..... Maybe he was 'diturbing the peace'. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

That's good of you to give cash. There used to be a guy who would hang around the Harvard square 7-11 who I would give change to. No big deal to me what he spends it on.... booze, whatever. I'm sure I would drink myself into oblivion if my life was that crappy too... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />

well, i would have to know the rest of the story before i could make a statement.

he probably was doing soemthing to get aressted.

MN is minnesota. ME is maine.

what would you know about minnesota? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

who can tell what a person will know... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
i've picked up a few things in my 22 years in this state. can i move now?