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here's something i found very amusing and entertaining:

http://www.oddcast.com/vhost/bush/host.php?id=1

it's called dress 'm up dubya


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And to get the facts right. There's a very big chance the USA would never have been here in WWII. If Japan hadn't attacked the USA and involved the USA in WWII. Before Pearl Harbor, the USA was only watching...


And to get the facts right??? Uh, the USA was doing FAR more than just "watching" before we actually started sending regular troops over there. Guess you forgot about the 50 desroyers and cruisers we gave to Britain before we got "involved", or perhaps you forgot about the entire Lend-Lease act altogether, eh?


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Maintaining peace and security --> there still war
Making peace --> peace? i tought it was war?? I'm puzzeled they made peace and still they are fighting???
Strengthening international law --> which is broken, shouldn't there come some sanctions?
Orienting economic policy toward social need --> LOL
protecting the ozon --> still a hol in the ozon
Establishing "children as a zone of peace" --> oh so those children with their ak-47 or Galil are just playing

promoting ******** --> we don't need words but actions.


*sigh* not only did you ignore the rest of the links, but you even ignored my rebuttal, so here it is again:

"general comments: If you had even bothered to read any of the links past the general summary (which I kinda figured YOU wouldn't ), you would have the answers to many of the complaints you made, like where exactly the UN is involved in maintaining peace and security (East Timor, for example). This is my biggest criticism of your post: You didn't even bother to look at details involved in supplying the list of accomplishments, you just rolled over them with your own, unsupported, biased, OPINIONS!!! "

If your post is an attempt at support for Seth, making fun of my own position i would say "it's as feeble as the UN" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />



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The us supplied brittian, and that was it if it didn't happen in pearl harbor, The US wouldn't have fought.

Patriotism is naïvity

There is NO peace if there is still beeing fought, no matter the country.

So can I make a summary of my own:
- made peace ( I did make that some poeple didn't get beaten)
- promoted human rights ( supporting organization, posting on these forums war isn't right)

that list globalizes local things they have done.


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The question is asked, "Is there anything more beautiful in life than a boy and a g1rl clasping clean hands and pure hearts in the path of marriage? Can there be anything more beautiful than young love?"

And the answer is give. "yes, there is a more beautiful thing. It is the spectacle of an old man and an old woman finishing their journey together on that path. Their hands are gnarled, but still clasped; their faces are seamed, but still radiant; their hearts are physically bowed and tired, but still strong with love and devotion for one another. Yes, there a more beautiful thing than young love. Old love."

---authour unknown


You know this is what this thread started out as...

Isn't it really sad that a discussion of something beautiful had to change into a discussion of war? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />



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The us supplied brittian, and that was it if it didn't happen in pearl harbor, The US wouldn't have fought.


hmmm. I wasn't born yet, so i can't say for sure what would have happened. It's possible. and most these days in the US agree that it was a travesty the US did not get involved sooner.

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Patriotism is naïvity


Agreed, but it is still a very powerfull political tool.

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There is NO peace if there is still beeing fought, no matter the country.


Technically, this is of course, true. Not sure what you meant by it?



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I menat the list stated made peace, wich they only did partially.


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The question is asked, "Is there anything more beautiful in life than a boy and a g1rl clasping clean hands and pure hearts in the path of marriage? Can there be anything more beautiful than young love?"

And the answer is give. "yes, there is a more beautiful thing. It is the spectacle of an old man and an old woman finishing their journey together on that path. Their hands are gnarled, but still clasped; their faces are seamed, but still radiant; their hearts are physically bowed and tired, but still strong with love and devotion for one another. Yes, there a more beautiful thing than young love. Old love."

---authour unknown


You know this is what this thread started out as...

Isn't it really sad that a discussion of something beautiful had to change into a discussion of war? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />



hmmm the more i think about it, the more i see it as a natural progression; along the lines of "how can there be light with no darkness to define it".

On the other hand, I would really like to see the original topic discussed further as well (perhaps as a new topic post?). There just isn't enough love to counter the darkness it seems to me sometimes. We could all agree to keep it on that topic, and not let it drift too far.



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I menat the list stated made peace, wich they only did partially.


Fair enough, but it doesn't invalidate the value of the UN, does it?


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The question is asked, "Is there anything more beautiful in life than a boy and a g1rl clasping clean hands and pure hearts in the path of marriage? Can there be anything more beautiful than young love?"

And the answer is give. "yes, there is a more beautiful thing. It is the spectacle of an old man and an old woman finishing their journey together on that path. Their hands are gnarled, but still clasped; their faces are seamed, but still radiant; their hearts are physically bowed and tired, but still strong with love and devotion for one another. Yes, there a more beautiful thing than young love. Old love."

---authour unknown


You know this is what this thread started out as...

Isn't it really sad that a discussion of something beautiful had to change into a discussion of war? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />



Yes. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" /> Very sad! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" /> And not beautiful at all.

I'm not going to let people who dwell on negativity ruin my love for life. And I'm not going to debate it either. I'll just keep working on the things that I have half a chance of improving, and let the negativists deal with their mudslinging faaaaaaaaaaaaaar away from me. They seem to be very happy doing so, and I am content to let them think that they are helping the situation.


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here's something i found very amusing and entertaining:

http://www.oddcast.com/vhost/bush/host.php?id=1

it's called dress 'm up dubya


Now that's some good creativity! good catch <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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gotta admit, that's a nice hat you picked out for him! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> so nice, in fact...


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here's what micheal moore has to say about this:

Monday, March 17, 2003
A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the Eve of War


George W. Bush
1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington, DC


Dear Governor Bush:

So today is what you call "the moment of truth," the day that "France and the rest of world have to show their cards on the table." I'm glad to hear that this day has finally arrived. Because, I gotta tell ya, having survived 440 days of your lying and conniving, I wasn't sure if I could take much more. So I'm glad to hear that today is Truth Day, 'cause I got a few truths I would like to share with you:

1. There is virtually NO ONE in America (talk radio nutters and Fox News aside) who is gung-ho to go to war. Trust me on this one. Walk out of the White House and on to any street in America and try to find five people who are PASSIONATE about wanting to kill Iraqis. YOU WON'T FIND THEM! Why? 'Cause NO Iraqis have ever come here and killed any of us! No Iraqi has even threatened to do that. You see, this is how we average Americans think: If a certain so-and-so is not perceived as a threat to our lives, then, believe it or not, we don't want to kill him! Funny how that works!

2. The majority of Americans -- the ones who never elected you -- are not fooled by your weapons of mass distraction. We know what the real issues are that affect our daily lives -- and none of them begin with I or end in Q. Here's what threatens us: two and a half million jobs lost since you took office, the stock market having become a cruel joke, no one knowing if their retirement funds are going to be there, gas now costs almost two dollars -- the list goes on and on. Bombing Iraq will not make any of this go away. Only you need to go away for things to improve.

3. As Bill Maher said last week, how bad do you have to suck to lose a popularity contest with Saddam Hussein? The whole world is against you, Mr. Bush. Count your fellow Americans among them.

4. The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a SIN. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? Of course, this is a war you personally won't have to fight. Just like when you went AWOL while the poor were shipped to Vietnam in your place.

5. Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. Johnson of South Dakota) has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! If you really want to stand up for America, please send your twin daughters over to Kuwait right now and let them don their chemical warfare suits. And let's see every member of Congress with a child of military age also sacrifice their kids for this war effort. What's that you say? You don't THINK so? Well, hey, guess what -- we don't think so either!

6. Finally, we love France. Yes, they have pulled some royal screw-ups. Yes, some of them can be pretty damn annoying. But have you forgotten we wouldn't even have this country known as America if it weren't for the French? That it was their help in the Revolutionary War that won it for us? That our greatest thinkers and founding fathers -- Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, etc. -- spent many years in Paris where they refined the concepts that lead to our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution? That it was France who gave us our Statue of Liberty, a Frenchman who built the Chevrolet, and a pair of French brothers who invented the movies? And now they are doing what only a good friend can do -- tell you the truth about yourself, straight, no b.s. Quit pissing on the French and thank them for getting it right for once. You know, you really should have traveled more (like once) before you took over. Your ignorance of the world has not only made you look stupid, it has painted you into a corner you can't get out of.

Well, cheer up -- there IS good news. If you do go through with this war, more than likely it will be over soon because I'm guessing there aren't a lot of Iraqis willing to lay down their lives to protect Saddam Hussein. After you "win" the war, you will enjoy a huge bump in the popularity polls as everyone loves a winner -- and who doesn't like to see a good ass-whoopin' every now and then (especially when it 's some third world ass!). So try your best to ride this victory all the way to next year's election. Of course, that's still a long ways away, so we'll all get to have a good hardy-har-har while we watch the economy sink even further down the toilet!

But, hey, who knows -- maybe you'll find Osama a few days before the election! See, start thinking like THAT! Keep hope alive! Kill Iraqis -- they got our oil!!

Yours,

Michael Moore
www.michaelmoore.com



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in the words of Dave King: "fighting for peace is like f**king for virginity"


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in the words of Dave King: "fighting for peace is like f**king for virginity"


um, makes a good sound bite, but the analogy doesn't logically play out in my mind... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" /> You can have peace after fighting, but can you have virginity after f**king? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />

I think too much <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" />



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why?? it only stresses your brain. no thinking is better <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />


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Oh? How's that working out for you then? I might try it if you can tell me how it has improved your life <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />


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it hasn't, but it hasn't made it worse even <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


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@Toejam,
Flooding the board <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> with personal opinions and (wrong) info doesn't impress me at all.
But like I said. I just can't care enough about it to go on forever about it.
All these posts are useless. Reality is simply very different from the ideal you seem to have.
No matter how much you praise the UN. Ppl can still see what's really happening.
You can posts hundreds of posts about how wonderful the UN is. And maybe some ppl who believe everything they see would believe you.
But most ppl would just get bored. (like me, I didn't even bother to read all you posted couse it's the same idealistic stuff over and over again). And they would still see that things are very different in reality.
While you ware typing all that Iraq experienced how much influence the UN has on the USA and other countries.
And we seen that so often... The UN is saying this, the UN is saying that... but in reality countries/politicians just go on with what they are doing.
So you can post 1000's of times overhere how much you love the UN. It doesn't change a thing.
They can't even get along. How could an organisation that's so devided work efectively?

Fanatism is never good. It stops you from being critical and closes your eyes for the truth.




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